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Gun nuts don't even see the words 'well regulated militia' in the amendment. Maybe in colonial times every household was considered a 'militia'? WTF?
They are in effect saying this SINGLE SENTENCE has TWO meanings. Before the comma it's all about 'militias', and after the comma it's all about individual citizens - nothing to do with a group or 'militia'.
On these shaky grounds our wannabe Rambo's feel inclined to buy military hardware and set up the perimeter, against the robbers/home invaders that surely lurk in the darkness, and of course them evil Feds out to put them in reeducation camps. Fuckin lunatics.
It was once our constitutional right to keep Slaves EditedI get so tired of these stupidass liberal gun banning threads. It's our Constitutional RIGHT to keep and bear arms.. if you don't like it, TOUGH SHIT. Get over it and shut the hell up already~
just sayin'
Yet you idolize a bunch of slavekeepers as demigods and givers of divine law?It was once our constitutional right to keep RACIST TRASHI get so tired of these stupidass liberal gun banning threads. It's our Constitutional RIGHT to keep and bear arms.. if you don't like it, TOUGH SHIT. Get over it and shut the hell up already~
just sayin'
I despise racists..
So now we're going by whatever the courts say at any given time?The second amendment does not specify a type of arms.
You Should Have a Gun « Verbellum
You should have a gun. You really should.
Politicians and news personalities and other talking heads will often tell you that you shouldnt have a gun. Theyll tell you that guns dont need to be useful beyond the narrow scope of hunting and personal defense. Theyll tell you that the Second Amendment must have limits so that criminals and maniacs and terrorists cant have high-capacity magazines and machine guns.
But hunting and self-defense are two secondary reasons why the government isnt permitted to infringe on your right, as an American citizen, to bear arms. In fact, lets review the exact text of the Second Amendment right now:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
It doesnt say anything about hunting. It doesnt say anything about personal defense either. It contains two major parts: a justification of the right, and an unqualified declaration of the right.
The justification explains that the importance of this right is that it allows for local, organized defense (though nowhere does it restrict the right to this purpose). It is not referring to the National Guard of each state. It is referring to civilians maintaining the ability to organize themselves into effective military units if the need should arise.
The declaration does not specify what kind of arms, nor does it provide any room for exception to the rule. The word infringe does not include any connotation of flexibility. It means, to encroach upon, with its origins in a Latin word meaning to damage, break off. Any baby-step in the direction of restricting possession and carrying of arms of any kind is an infringement of the right.
It is not an oversight that the amendment was written this way. The founders of the United States were rebels and revolutionaries. Access to weapons is what allowed them to defend their country from the theft and oppression of George III.
Its important to note here that monarchy was a very long-standing form of government as of the late 18th century. The founders were educated people who were facing massive disillusionment with a system that had been in place from time immemorial. The Second Amendment is a recognition that even the most trusted, powerful institutions around us can turn out be destructive elements that need to be stood down. They knew it could happen even in this well-considered arrangement they had created themselves.
That is why the people of the United States have a rightsecond only to free speech, free religion, free assembly, and redress of grievancesto own and to carry weapons of their choosing, with no limits. Everything from slingshots to missiles to laser rifles is forbidden to the government to restrict. And that right exists primarily so that we may defend ourselves against the government if it becomes necessary, with the same level of force that the government can employ.
Unless youve been living in a hole for the past few decades, theres no way you could not have noticed the governments complete lack of impunity in its actions. Theres no way you could not have noticed that, year after year, it looks a lot more like a permanent ruling class than any kind of democracy. Theres no way you could not have noticed that something has gone awry with the founders great experiment.
Governments cannot be trusted to correct themselves once theyve gone bad. Human history does not contain many examples of that. Governing bodies exist to last indefinitely, so thats what they dopreserve the structure of rule. Sometimes, when theyre acting badly enough, that preservation can take some really ugly forms. It can kill and destroy with an unimaginable ferocity. Human history is filled with examples of this.
Unarmed citizens command no authority and present potential government thugs no deterrent to abuse. Armed citizens represent a power to be reckoned with; any large-scale assault upon them risks running into effective resistance.
No one is saying you should keep an automatic rifle loaded under your bed, ready and waiting to be brought into battle. Theres no call to attack the government. Theres no need to join a militia if you dont want to.
But you should have a gun, and you should learn to use, store, and maintain it properly. You should assert and protect your and your fellow citizens right to keep and bear arms. And you should never forget why.
The Supreme Court ruled in 1939 that a firearm is protected by the 2nd Amendment if it is of use or in use by the military. All the above apply.
Fuck your army. We shall fight [ame="http://www.amazon.com/War-Flea-Classic-Guerrilla-Warfare/dp/1574885553"]the war of the flea[/ame]. Like the VC before us, we shall turn your UXO into the weapons that kill you.the 2nd amendment doesn't specify, but the people should access to the same weapons as police and most of the military. being content with handguns and semi-automatic weapon thinking that will help you take out the government in a revolution is retarded
Gun nuts don't even see the words 'well regulated militia' in the amendment. Maybe in colonial times every household was considered a 'militia'? WTF?
They are in effect saying this SINGLE SENTENCE has TWO meanings. Before the comma it's all about 'militias', and after the comma it's all about individual citizens - nothing to do with a group or 'militia'.
On these shaky grounds our wannabe Rambo's feel inclined to buy military hardware and set up the perimeter, against the robbers/home invaders that surely lurk in the darkness, and of course them evil Feds out to put them in reeducation camps. Fuckin lunatics.
What the hell is a gun nut? Hmm? Perhap's you're referring to the Founders who owned private weapons?!
By "militia," the Founders meant "all (militarily capable) males ... bearing arms supplied by themselves. The English Bill of Rights in 1689 was crystal clear in it's writing in the right to keep and bear arms so why would the Founders who came from the same legal system give only "collective' rights???
Fuck your army. We shall fight [ame="http://www.amazon.com/War-Flea-Classic-Guerrilla-Warfare/dp/1574885553"]the war of the flea[/ame]. Like the VC before us, we shall turn your UXO into the weapons that kill you.the 2nd amendment doesn't specify, but the people should access to the same weapons as police and most of the military. being content with handguns and semi-automatic weapon thinking that will help you take out the government in a revolution is retarded
In a war between a guerrilla resistance and a conventional occupying force, the resistance will always win with enough time.
Everything fired from any gun takes a ballistic trajectory...?*shrug*
I'm fine with a lot of stuff, but I draw the line at anything that has to take a ballistic trajectory...
Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be?One of these legal?
It follows then that telephones arent protected by the 4th and CNN isn't protected by the 1st.Flintlocks, because they were all we had at the time the constitution was written.
All else is just overactive intrepretation.
The 2nd is all about exercising the right to self-defense, presumably against people that are shooting back.I will go with what the founding fathers had. Non-automatic weapons were not around so I doubt if they were around they would make legal assault and automatic weapons. I mean seriously, you don't need an automatic weapon to shoot a deer or to defend yourself.
So the high capacity magazines, assault rifles should be outlawed.
On the contrary - its clearly there.Gun nuts don't even see the words 'well regulated militia' in the amendment. Maybe in colonial times every household was considered a 'militia'? WTF?
You should try 600 or 1000.*shrug*
The second doesn't specify what kind of arms.
I'm fine with a lot of stuff, but I draw the line at anything that has to take a ballistic trajectory or fires ammunition that is meant to explode. In other words, no howitzers or bazookas. Sorry guys.
I have to calculate the trajectory on a 300 yard .30-06 shot. It doesn't fly in a straight line at those distances.
The 2nd is all about exercising the right to self-defense, presumably against people that are shooting back.I will go with what the founding fathers had. Non-automatic weapons were not around so I doubt if they were around they would make legal assault and automatic weapons. I mean seriously, you don't need an automatic weapon to shoot a deer or to defend yourself.
So the high capacity magazines, assault rifles should be outlawed.
Why would you ban the weapons that are best suited for this?
You obviously did not catch the "firearm" part of the answer. Reading comprehension is your friend.
So if the drunk down the street had a few FGM-148 Javelins laying around it wouldn't bother you? Or would you be that drunk?
The court said firearms, as in rifle, shotgun and pistol. Were you born stupid or did you practice for years to get so ignorant? By the way? They let stand the restrictions on fully automatic weapons at the same time.
