What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[JoeB131]

Not the jobs they take. Taking those jobs keep poor and disproportionately blacks on welfare voting for Democrats.

Blacks don't want those jobs any more than white people do.

You also look at jobs as zero sum game. When you have more workers doing jobs, you also have more consumers creating jobs.

Yes, I know, this is a difficult concept for you, jobs are created by consumer activity, not the kindness of rich people.

You bludgeon businesses into firing low end employees with taxes and regulations then import Democrat voters across the borders to take the jobs that are left. For you that's win-win

again, it's not businesses that create jobs, it's consumer demand. If you are a bottom feeder business who can't provide decent salaries and benefits, we are all better off if you go out of business. Which I'm sure you have a number of times.

 

[JoeB131]

Although the United States’ welfare rolls are already swollen, every year we import more people who wind up on public assistance: immigrants.

Guy, you can't go to a racist website like FAIR and claim you made a point.

Most undocumented immigrants can't go on welfare because they don't have documents.

 

[JoeB131]

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

well, I'd be happy to cure the problem of white entitlement, but that would just make people like you angrier at the wrong people.

You know, like you are angry at the Darkies now and not the rich boss who cheats you out of health insurance.

 

[kaz]

Dear World:

Thank you for your patronage over the past 200 years as you've sent us your tired, your poor and your huddled masses.

That allowed us to fill an entire continent with your distant cousins and whatever wretched refuse you could not sustain.

We regret to inform you, however, that we are now full-up and no longer taking new applications to take up residence with us.

We have the utmost confidence in your ability to improve your own countries so that emigration is no longer problematic.

Meanwhile, please stop sending your trash our way, and find another pressure safety valve to vent your steam.

We now embark upon an era in which we apply the same sort of screening criteria that most of you already do.

Very best regards,

Your distant cousins,

The United States of America

It appears that over the last 200 years those tired, poor, and handle masses entering this nation and have built the greatest nation on earth. Can't argue with success.

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race baiting jackass

 

[JoeB131]

hat's ridiculous. Every other group outside whites vote a majority Democrat. That's why the Democrat party became the anti-white party. Their goal is to make us a minority in our own country.

Every other non-white group votes Democratic because the GOP has spent the last 50 years demonizing non-whites.

That only 40% of whites see through the racism to the GOP's gross incompetence in running the country is the problem. Really, nobody should be voting Republican if they are making less than six figures.

But it's easier for your sort to kick down than punch up.

So they take in any minority garbage that they can: legal, illegal, criminal, unskilled labor, you name it, they take it.

Um, you don't think that referring to minorities as "garbage" is why they won't vote for your side?

 

[kaz]

You didn't even directly quote me. Yes, everyone knows what you meant, you're just to dumb to understand that you made a mistake. Can we move on now?

There's a difference between quoting, and direct quoting. No one ever claimed it was a direct quote.

And he didn't make a mistake. He made a joke. You're just pissy because he made it at your expense, and you think having a stick-up-your-ass grammatical argument will somehow make you look less foolish. We could have moved on several post ago, if you hadn't been wasting our time trying to "win". (See, there are the quotes you wanted. You're welcome.)

I'm not pissy. I didn't want to have this big discussion about it. I just made a passing comment. No offense intended.

Now would everyone get off my case?

Not you, dear. Happy.

At some point bripat should have asked himself, WTF, I'm arguing on HappyJoy's side, obviously I'm completely lost. But he didn't, he continued to be HJ's nut sack

I have plenty problems with Bripat, but I have to give him credit, he's more knowledgeable than you and like it or not Bripat I want to say thank you.

Kaz, may you shut the fuck up for a change, be humble and learn something:]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sic.....69i57j0l5.3032j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

sic
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [sic ] life.”.

You didn't quote or copy what I had stated, illiterate prick.

Ouch, Bripat defends you and you slam him. Nice job.

Sic can be a direct quote or not. It can be used for anything that sounds awkward or not right. You are citing one use of sic. It's hilarious that you didn't get the joke. Cecile did, she kept trying to explain it to you to no avail.

How many times did they tell you this in special ed? Dude, this is't that hard? How can you possibly not get it?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

well, I'd be happy to cure the problem of white entitlement, but that would just make people like you angrier at the wrong people.

You know, like you are angry at the Darkies now and not the rich boss who cheats you out of health insurance.

/——/ STFU you racist.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ If there was a chance they were voting GOP, you Libtards would be volunteering to build the wall brick by brick. Besides law breakers looking for welfare fall into the democRAT camp, not ours.

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

 

[kaz]

Not the jobs they take. Taking those jobs keep poor and disproportionately blacks on welfare voting for Democrats.

Blacks don't want those jobs any more than white people do

They don't want the jobs for the wages they pay because you import workers who will do the jobs for less. You didn't contradict me.

You also look at jobs as zero sum game. When you have more workers doing jobs, you also have more consumers creating jobs.

Yes, I know, this is a difficult concept for you, jobs are created by consumer activity, not the kindness of rich people.

You bludgeon businesses into firing low end employees with taxes and regulations then import Democrat voters across the borders to take the jobs that are left. For you that's win-win

again, it's not businesses that create jobs, it's consumer demand.

It's hilarious when you explain business to me. Remember how you didn't know what price and cost meant? That was classic.

Consumer demand doesn't create jobs, that doesn't make sense. Business owners create companies to satisfy consumer demand. But without the company, there is no job. Business pays employees.

If you are a bottom feeder business who can't provide decent salaries and benefits, we are all better off if you go out of business. Which I'm sure you have a number of times.

Again your lack of grasp of business. Ending my medical coverage for my employees had nothing to do with whether I could pay it or not. Your lack of business is astounding. Government intentionally makes medical coverage expensive for businesses. Employees are worth a dollar value. Only a bad business pays them more than that, and they won't last. It's a math calculation. I'd have to lower salaries by too much to pay their insurance. They want the pay.

You're so mindless Joe. We look at the total cost of an employee. I've explained this to you before. We don't just count your salary. I didn't care how you wanted the money. You want it as life insurance, medical coverage, salary, whatever. But you won't get paid more than you're worth as total compensation. In your case, you weren't worth anything. Firing you made people so happy I saved your entire salary and benefits.

Reality

Salary = Total compensation - benefits.

Joe thinks

Total compensation = salary. We give freebie benefits on top of that.

Your opinion about business is hilarious. Keep socialistsplaining it to me.

You want medical care when government drives the cost to be too much of your pay? I don't give a shit. It's the employees who don't want their pay to go that low. That you think it's about whether I can pay the insurance or not is so mind numbingly ignorant

 

[kaz]

/——/ If there was a chance they were voting GOP, you Libtards would be volunteering to build the wall brick by brick. Besides law breakers looking for welfare fall into the democRAT camp, not ours.

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[kaz]

hat's ridiculous. Every other group outside whites vote a majority Democrat. That's why the Democrat party became the anti-white party. Their goal is to make us a minority in our own country.

Every other non-white group votes Democratic because the GOP has spent the last 50 years demonizing non-whites.

That only 40% of whites see through the racism to the GOP's gross incompetence in running the country is the problem. Really, nobody should be voting Republican if they are making less than six figures.

But it's easier for your sort to kick down than punch up.

So they take in any minority garbage that they can: legal, illegal, criminal, unskilled labor, you name it, they take it.

Um, you don't think that referring to minorities as "garbage" is why they won't vote for your side?

Every race becomes more conservative as they become wealthier. That's why you work so hard to keep them poor

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ If there was a chance they were voting GOP, you Libtards would be volunteering to build the wall brick by brick. Besides law breakers looking for welfare fall into the democRAT camp, not ours.

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

 

[JoeB131]

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

So let me get this straight.

Assuring people make a minimum wage is bad because it's counter-intuitive to not let the Capitalist cheat people at every turn...

But we totally need to stop illegal aliens from coming here to take the jobs that Capitalist want to cheat white people on.

 

[JoeB131]

Every race becomes more conservative as they become wealthier. That's why you work so hard to keep them poor

Again, buddy... my income has always gone up when Democrats were in charge and it goes down when Republicans are in charge... so who is keeping people poor again?

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

So let me get this straight.

Assuring people make a minimum wage is bad because it's counter-intuitive to not let the Capitalist cheat people at every turn...

But we totally need to stop illegal aliens from coming here to take the jobs that Capitalist want to cheat white people on.

/——/ Yes brainiac, socialism has no place in capatialist societies. It’s not the Gubmint’s job to asssure anything except Life. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if you want or need a higher salary get the skills required for a better job or move to where better paying jobs are located like I did at the age of 20.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Every race becomes more conservative as they become wealthier. That's why you work so hard to keep them poor

Again, buddy... my income has always gone up when Democrats were in charge and it goes down when Republicans are in charge... so who is keeping people poor again?

/——/ Poverty has little to do with a lack of money. It’s a state of mind and poor money management skills. Try reading this: Does money management matter if you're poor?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Every race becomes more conservative as they become wealthier. That's why you work so hard to keep them poor

Again, buddy... my income has always gone up when Democrats were in charge and it goes down when Republicans are in charge... so who is keeping people poor again?

/——/ And my income has gone up no matter what Party is in charge.

 

[Cellblock2429]

hat's ridiculous. Every other group outside whites vote a majority Democrat. That's why the Democrat party became the anti-white party. Their goal is to make us a minority in our own country.

Every other non-white group votes Democratic because the GOP has spent the last 50 years demonizing non-whites.

That only 40% of whites see through the racism to the GOP's gross incompetence in running the country is the problem. Really, nobody should be voting Republican if they are making less than six figures.

But it's easier for your sort to kick down than punch up.

So they take in any minority garbage that they can: legal, illegal, criminal, unskilled labor, you name it, they take it.

Um, you don't think that referring to minorities as "garbage" is why they won't vote for your side?

/——/ Correction JoeB, the GOP hasn’t spent the last 50 years demonizing non whites, however the democRATs have spent the last 50 years saying we do.

 

[Cellblock2429]

hat's ridiculous. Every other group outside whites vote a majority Democrat. That's why the Democrat party became the anti-white party. Their goal is to make us a minority in our own country.

Every other non-white group votes Democratic because the GOP has spent the last 50 years demonizing non-whites.

That only 40% of whites see through the racism to the GOP's gross incompetence in running the country is the problem. Really, nobody should be voting Republican if they are making less than six figures.

But it's easier for your sort to kick down than punch up.

So they take in any minority garbage that they can: legal, illegal, criminal, unskilled labor, you name it, they take it.

Um, you don't think that referring to minorities as "garbage" is why they won't vote for your side?

/——/ You twist and distort others words. No one said all minorities are garbage. Most aren’t but some are and those are the ones you glob onto.

 

[kaz]

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them