What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

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Dear World:

Thank you for your patronage over the past 200 years as you've sent us your tired, your poor and your huddled masses.

That allowed us to fill an entire continent with your distant cousins and whatever wretched refuse you could not sustain.

We regret to inform you, however, that we are now full-up and no longer taking new applications to take up residence with us.

We have the utmost confidence in your ability to improve your own countries so that emigration is no longer problematic.

Meanwhile, please stop sending your trash our way, and find another pressure safety valve to vent your steam.

We now embark upon an era in which we apply the same sort of screening criteria that most of you already do.

Very best regards,

Your distant cousins,

The United States of America
It appears that over the last 200 years those tired, poor, and handle masses entering this nation and have built the greatest nation on earth. Can't argue with success.

So because of the last 200 years, we keep bringing in millions and millions more? What happens when we have a billion people in this country--more than half of whom don't even know the language? Do you want to live in this country then?
 
Yes brainiac, socialism has no place in capatialist societies. It’s not the Gubmint’s job to asssure anything except Life. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if you want or need a higher salary get the skills required for a better job or move to where better paying jobs are located like I did at the age of 20.

But you have NO PROBLEM with gubmint putting kids in cages so their parents won't take your job by being willing to work for less money.

Sorry, man, during the last recession, we had Adjunct professors on food stamps and airline pilot selling their blood plasma... or as the Capitalists liked to call it, "The Good Old days"
/-----/ You win Strawman Argument of the day. Congratulations
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/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
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/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is to adjust for cost of living and cost of social services.

The inflation canard won't work, since the right wing is not whining about price inflation for fuel.
/----/ Increase in the minimum wage is one of the causes of higher fuel cost since wage increases affect the cost of doing business. BTW here's another contributing factor of the price of gas: OPEC ministers agree to raise oil production but don't say by how much
Just right wing propaganda.

Our ventures in the Middle East are what have cause price inflation for fuel. You don't really care. So why bother with your right wing, propaganda.
 
Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.
Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.
/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.
That's also why the government supports an inflationary monetary policy. Minimum wage increases result in higher unemployment. One way to reduce that effect is to inflate the value of the increase away.
More right wing propaganda?

You need to update your understanding of economics.

Jurisdictions with higher than average minimum wages tend to have lower unemployment in those jurisdictions.
 
Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.
/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them
Prices increase as a result of deliberate monetary policy designed to inflate the wage increases away. If that weren't done, then the effect of minimum wage increases would be higher unemployment.
link?
 
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/——/ You twist and distort others words. No one said all minorities are garbage. Most aren’t but some are and those are the ones you glob onto.

Ray said "minority garbage"... and combined with the rest of the racism he spews here, it's kind of typical.[/QUOTE]
/----/ Ray doesn't need me to defend him. My issue is with your sweeping generalizations and distortions because it's the only way you can frame your arguments. "minority garbage" means minorities who are also garbage, a subset. Yes, I know the distinction is confusing for you. Hope this helps: Where as B is minorities and A is garbage minorities.
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Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.
/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them

"People have told me that getting ahead only leaves others behind. That's the point of getting ahead. If we all moved ahead the same distance at the same time, then nobody gets ahead."
Brian Kimeade
Yet, we all move forward.

Simply, Order versus Chaos.

Moving ahead by Order could mean, "scouts ahead".

Moving ahead by Chaos, is usually an Individual endeavor.
 
Your bad attitude is keeping you poor. That's why I fired you.

Guy, you couldn't afford me... I probably wouldn't have sent your chicken shit company a resume...

You're a bottom feeder who doesn't even offer health insurance.

I watch little companies like yours go out of business because of their half-assery all the time.

A resume writers income would naturally go up when the economy is bad.

What the hell did you just admit? The economy is bad when Democrats are in charge? Duh

I haven't always done resume writing... I've been doing it as a side job for the last 8 years (after Bush crashed the economy and I needed extra income) and started doing it full time when I built my business up large enough where it was meeting all my needs.

Now, I'm not entirely sure that WHEN Trump tanks the economy, that it's going to be a windfall. Yup,t here will be more poeple looking for jobs, but a lot of people will hunker down and not want to change jobs, so it might be a wash.
 
Ray doesn't need me to defend him. My issue is with your sweeping generalizations and distortions because it's the only way you can frame your arguments. "minority garbage" means minorities who are also garbage. Yes, I know the distinction is confusing for you.

But funny, Ray never says "White Garbage" does he.. Or "White Trash", which is a category he probably falls into.
 
Ray doesn't need me to defend him. My issue is with your sweeping generalizations and distortions because it's the only way you can frame your arguments. "minority garbage" means minorities who are also garbage. Yes, I know the distinction is confusing for you.

But funny, Ray never says "White Garbage" does he.. Or "White Trash", which is a category he probably falls into.
/----/ White garbage is not trying to flood our country illegally. They present other problems.
 
Ray doesn't need me to defend him. My issue is with your sweeping generalizations and distortions because it's the only way you can frame your arguments. "minority garbage" means minorities who are also garbage. Yes, I know the distinction is confusing for you.

But funny, Ray never says "White Garbage" does he.. Or "White Trash", which is a category he probably falls into.

I only responded to your claim that only white trash (garbage) are responsible for welfare. You leftist say something and when somebody responds in kind, they're the bad guy.

Don't bring up race if you don't want to make an issue out of race. But if you are going to bring up race, don't be critical when somebody mentions race as well.
 
Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.
/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them
Prices increase as a result of deliberate monetary policy designed to inflate the wage increases away. If that weren't done, then the effect of minimum wage increases would be higher unemployment.

The effect of minimum wage increases IS unemployment
 
You could say "good morning how are you?" to Joe and he'd find a way to make it about race. He would make the claim that the morning brings the sun out and that gets rid of the dark.

Ray, you spew racism with every post,t hat's why it's about race with you.

The problem is, you think your behavior is acceptable.

I appreciate you highlighting my point Joe. No matter what anybody on the right says here, every post is about race with you. If it's not, you'll make it about race.
 
Ray doesn't need me to defend him. My issue is with your sweeping generalizations and distortions because it's the only way you can frame your arguments. "minority garbage" means minorities who are also garbage. Yes, I know the distinction is confusing for you.

But funny, Ray never says "White Garbage" does he.. Or "White Trash", which is a category he probably falls into.

I only responded to your claim that only white trash (garbage) are responsible for welfare. You leftist say something and when somebody responds in kind, they're the bad guy.

Don't bring up race if you don't want to make an issue out of race. But if you are going to bring up race, don't be critical when somebody mentions race as well.
what a coincidence, I feel the same way about the right wing.

It is about economics.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage means Labor will be paying more in taxes and creating more in demand, regardless.

Legal status can be fixed by Congress. Capitalism doesn't care.
 
/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them
Prices increase as a result of deliberate monetary policy designed to inflate the wage increases away. If that weren't done, then the effect of minimum wage increases would be higher unemployment.

The effect of minimum wage increases IS unemployment
Link? Seattle and San Francisco indicate a fallacy of false Cause or special pleading regarding that specific, line of reasoning.
 
Your bad attitude is keeping you poor. That's why I fired you.

Guy, you couldn't afford me... I probably wouldn't have sent your chicken shit company a resume...

You're a bottom feeder who doesn't even offer health insurance.

I watch little companies like yours go out of business because of their half-assery all the time.

You already told me your max salary was $80K. Now you make less than $25K. It's not the money I can't afford, that's for sure. I wouldn't do you to my staff though.

After I had bought and merged three companies, I had picked up a lot of good employees and of course a lot of dead wood. I was working with my management team on our plan to replace the bad staff. But we didn't know how many people we would need to replace them.

After a lot of discussion, I finally decided we fire all the bad ones immediately and the same day, no dragging it out. Let's rip off the bandaid. We'll identify the gaps and be ready to replace them at once.

So that Friday, we did it. We fired 30% of the company. All of them had either personally bad attitudes or just bad attitudes about doing any work. You were a marginal worker, it was your bad attitude that got you fired.

Here's what you didn't know because you were gone. You know how many of you we had to replace? Zero. It wasn't just you I didn't replace, I didn't need to replace any of you. The place seemed so much roomier and wow, it was so much more enjoyable being there without the lazy, useless and bad attitudes. Over time we replaced you as we grew, but that Friday you all left, your pay and benefits were all just savings
 
Ray doesn't need me to defend him. My issue is with your sweeping generalizations and distortions because it's the only way you can frame your arguments. "minority garbage" means minorities who are also garbage. Yes, I know the distinction is confusing for you.

But funny, Ray never says "White Garbage" does he.. Or "White Trash", which is a category he probably falls into.

I only responded to your claim that only white trash (garbage) are responsible for welfare. You leftist say something and when somebody responds in kind, they're the bad guy.

Don't bring up race if you don't want to make an issue out of race. But if you are going to bring up race, don't be critical when somebody mentions race as well.
what a coincidence, I feel the same way about the right wing.

It is about economics.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage means Labor will be paying more in taxes and creating more in demand, regardless.

Legal status can be fixed by Congress. Capitalism doesn't care.
/----/ Against, raising minimum wage reduces the number of jobs available. Small businesses can't afford them.
 
Your bad attitude is keeping you poor. That's why I fired you.

Guy, you couldn't afford me... I probably wouldn't have sent your chicken shit company a resume...

You're a bottom feeder who doesn't even offer health insurance.

I watch little companies like yours go out of business because of their half-assery all the time.

You already told me your max salary was $80K. Now you make less than $25K. It's not the money I can't afford, that's for sure. I wouldn't do you to my staff though.

After I had bought and merged three companies, I had picked up a lot of good employees and of course a lot of dead wood. I was working with my management team on our plan to replace the bad staff. But we didn't know how many people we would need to replace them.

After a lot of discussion, I finally decided we fire all the bad ones immediately and the same day, no dragging it out. Let's rip off the bandaid. We'll identify the gaps and be ready to replace them at once.

So that Friday, we did it. We fired 30% of the company. All of them had either personally bad attitudes or just bad attitudes about doing any work. You were a marginal worker, it was your bad attitude that got you fired.

Here's what you didn't know because you were gone. You know how many of you we had to replace? Zero. It wasn't just you I didn't replace, I didn't need to replace any of you. The place seemed so much roomier and wow, it was so much more enjoyable being there without the lazy, useless and bad attitudes. Over time we replaced you as we grew, but that Friday you all left, your pay and benefits were all just savings
It's an accepted managment understanding that 20% of the people do 80% of the work. I've managed many projects where such is the case. I had one guy under me who never fixed a single bug. I could easily do more work than any 5 of the worst performers. In fact, training them just meant I had to do more work than I would have to do if they weren't there. My boss whined about the fact that he had to pay me about 30% more than these useless drones.
 
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