What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[OKTexas]

usillegalaliens.com don't cut it. It is a known immigrant of color hating medium. However, are we deporting all alien felons at the end of their prison sentences. You should look into it.

Also you have not quantified compared pedophiliac attacks by illegal aliens with Baptist pastors.

Also how to the have above number compare with those of similar offenses committed by American citizens?

Already answered. From the link.

Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

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That is a general statement without objective facts.

Feel free to prove it wrong, any of it. I'm the one that has provided substantiation, and you have nothing but your commie whining. Almost 2,200 murders a year by illegals, that I guess is the human price you're willing to pay for not enforcing immigration laws. Good job comrade..

You are entitled to your opinion, for which you have no proof. I am entitled to laugh at it.

I didn't link to my opinion you stupid SOB, oh right, you're senile so allow me to refresh your memory.

Quantify this commie.

• In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
• There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
• 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
• Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
• In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
• At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
• 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
• Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
• Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
• Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
• Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
• There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
• Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
• Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
• In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
• Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
• The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
• The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Any questions?

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Crime Summary


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[Snouter]

It is grotesque. And the savages and the fugly creatures they have offspring with are up here in Connecticut also. IMO it is worse than the Muslim invasion although both invasions are orchestrated by the same Soros types.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

‘DREAMER’ Sodomized Multiple Boys, Between The Ages 7 and 9

So have Baptist pastors, I am sure.

What is your point?

one of the big similarities between the Democrats and the Nazis is their fanatical religious bigotry, you wackos are scary

 

[bripat9643]

What do you want done with them? Ritz-Cartlton? Homeless Shelter? Free house in Fort Worth? Detroit? You pay. Start a gofundme? Adopt them? Give out rooms in your vacation homes? Set up FEMA trailers, run plumbing-electric-AC.

What about American homeless?

I have an idea. Stop giving tax brakes to those who already have plenty of money and use the funds to help homeless people. The richest country in the world has to much poverty and the reason isn't other poor people taking away government funds. It's the idea that being rich isn't just something to aspire to but something that requires the government's aid.

ROFL! So you're an imbecile who believes the government is entitled to take people's money. Somehow people managed to get rich before the government started "helping" them.

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Nothing I earn belongs to the government.

You're so full of shit.

Prove it.

 

[kaz]

Undocumented immigrant is a euphemism and a lie ...

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Or just throw them and their families asses out of this country.

Undocumented immigrant is a euphemism and a lie ...

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Or just throw them and their families asses out of this country.

Yeah, how well has that worked. It's estimated that we have deported about 10 million people in the last hundred years. As the number of deportations have risen so have the number of undocumented immigrants residing in the US. Today it's what? 9 million, 11, million, 15 million? Nobody really knows.

Flopper: Illegal aliens are coming here despite our laws, so let's eliminate immigration laws and make them legal.

Flopper: Guns are being used by criminals despite our laws, we need MORE laws!!!!

You see any inconsistency there, big guy?

We've had laws against bank robbery for centuries, yet banks are still robbed. Shall we make bank robbery legal?

 

[kaz]

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Do you notice with immigration laws, you want to "change" them by eliminating them.

With gun laws, you want to change them by further restricting them. So out of curiosity, how do you decide when you want to change laws by eliminating them and when you want to change laws by restricting our Constitutional rights? Your formula seems to be whatever the Democrat party tells you to think. Is that it?

No, I want to change them. I want to give legal status (not sure exactly what), to undocumented immigrants that can show they have resided in the country as of a certain date. The legalization period would only last a short period and would not be available to anyone convicted of a felony. I would provide a path to citizenship, increase work permits and quotas. Increase border security which would include fencing, walls, electronic surveillance, and additional personnel where needed. I would tighten laws on employing undocumented immigrants, enhance E-Verify and make it a hiring requirement. I would have a Visa tracking system that worked, require monitoring all detainees released on their on their on recognizance. And that's for starters.

I understand it's for "starters" until you can get the rest of them citizenship.

And in the meantime we're trying to stop the endless flow in and you're fighting us on that. So clearly this is just an endless path to citizenship for anyone the hell who wants to come here in the world. You don't view the US as an actual country since you oppose borders

 

[kaz]

Undocumented immigrant is a euphemism and a lie ...

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

Yep, that's what he wants and is clearly saying

 

[kaz]

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

Of course that wouldn't happen. Freedom is messy and, if you believe our leaders, very scary! But it's better than hiding behind a wall.

So our choices are to be overrun by poor criminals from a shit hole third world country or we're hiding behind a wall. Democrats are just the flat out most stupid people on the planet.

This is just another voter campaign for you. And it's your most effective, which is why you fight the most hysterically to keep it going

 

[kaz]

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

That's not what I proposed. Maybe you have a reading problem but once again, I proposed a limited legalization program available only to non-felons for a limited period of time for those who could prove they have been residents in the country for a specified period. I also proposed a number of items that would increase boarder security, restrict jobs for those crossing the boarder illegally, lessen the desire to enter illegally by making more work permits available, and tracking down those that overstay visas. Solving the immigration problem is not that hard. Getting an agreement between the two sides is almost impossible.

Flopper: "Solving the immigration problem is not that hard."

No, not if you want to keep criminals freely entering the country, it's completely fucking easy. You're doing nothing to stop the flow except make it a little harder to get a legal job until they just wait long enough to apply under your system.

You're doing nothing to even slow the actual flow of poor Mexicans, you're doing nothing to stop hard core criminals who come back here repeatedly and you're doing zero to stop drug flow by drug cartels.

Easy? Yeah. Effective, not at all

 

[kaz]

What "human cost" TO AMERICANS, is acceptable, from NOT controlling illegal immigration ?

Yep, the idiots need to ask Katie Steinle's family about that ...

 

[JakeStarkey]

‘DREAMER’ Sodomized Multiple Boys, Between The Ages 7 and 9

So have Baptist pastors, I am sure.

What is your point?

one of the big similarities between the Democrats and the Nazis is their fanatical religious bigotry, you wackos are scary

Telling the truth is American not bigotry.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Obama should have just sent all border agents home. His tough stance was a complete joke.

And the current attack by the left is to try and get that back.

They say they don't want open borders. They speak with forked tounge.

No president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barrack Obama.

Presidency of Barack Obama, 3.2 million people deported. 400,000/yr. Avg.
Presidency of George W. Bush, 2 million people were deported. 250,000/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Bill Clinton, 870,000 people deported. 108,750/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Donald Trump 240,00 deported in first yr. 240,000/Yr. Avg
Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

WHEN are you fucking morons going to stop swallowing the pablum that's spooned up for you?

"Somehow, the Obama administration is simultaneously responsible for the highest rate of deportation in 20 years and a 26 percent drop in deportation. What is going on here? As it turns out, changes in immigration law, terminology and classification are causing this confusion.

One problem is the continued use of “deportation” in virtually all media reporting. In actuality, that category has been obsolete in immigration law since 1996. Prior to 1996, immigration law distinguished between immigrants who were “excluded,” or stopped and prevented from entering U.S. territory, and those who were “deported,” or expelled from the United States after they had made their way into U.S. territory. After 1996, both exclusion and deportation were rolled into one procedure called “removal.” At that point, the term “deportation” no longer had any meaning within the official immigration statistics. Its continued use in media reports is part of the confusion.

The large number of immigrants who are apprehended, usually but not exclusively along the southwestern border, and prevented from entering the country were part of a category called “voluntary departure” before 2006. Now that is called “return,” which also includes the subcategory of “reinstatement.” There is also a large category of “expedited removals” of persons that do not appear before an immigration judge but the procedure carries all the sanctions as a judge ordered removal.

These would-be immigrants accept this sanction that forgoes a court appearance before an immigration judge because formal removal — in which the U.S. government runs them through legal proceedings and pays for their return to their home country — would result in a multi-year bar (five to 20 years) on their eligibility to legally reenter the United States. Critics deride this policy “as catch and release.” The consequences of a return are much less harsh than a formal removal because the returned immigrant could come back legally, and presumably illegally, at any time."

Lies, damned lies, and Obama’s deportation statistics

In other words, they're cooking the books and lying to you. And you're eating it up.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Obama should have just sent all border agents home. His tough stance was a complete joke.

And the current attack by the left is to try and get that back.

They say they don't want open borders. They speak with forked tounge.

No president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barrack Obama.

Presidency of Barack Obama, 3.2 million people deported. 400,000/yr. Avg.
Presidency of George W. Bush, 2 million people were deported. 250,000/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Bill Clinton, 870,000 people deported. 108,750/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Donald Trump 240,00 deported in first yr. 240,000/Yr. Avg
Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

You might have a point if deportation carried the same definition. But Bush changed the definition of deportation when he was serving his second term.

Not quite true. The change was made in 1996, while Bill Clinton was President.

 

[Moonglow]

The truth is the illegals fulfill a role in capitalism it's called cheap labor, but yet idiots seem to think only one party allows the illegals to stay when over forty years since the invaders were allowed to stay it has been both parties that have facilitated the problem and the rich which save money.

 

[Pop23]

The truth is the illegals fulfill a role in capitalism it's called cheap labor, but yet idiots seem to think only one party allows the illegals to stay when over forty years since the invaders were allowed to stay it has been both parties that have facilitated the problem and the rich which save money.

Seems only one party wants to address the problem now though.

We are living today by the way.

Stupid is trying the same thing over and over and hoping this time it works.

 

[Moonglow]

The truth is the illegals fulfill a role in capitalism it's called cheap labor, but yet idiots seem to think only one party allows the illegals to stay when over forty years since the invaders were allowed to stay it has been both parties that have facilitated the problem and the rich which save money.

Seems only one party wants to address the problem now though.

We are living today by the way.

Stupid is trying the same thing over and over and hoping this time it works.

The issue is being addressed differently than the last forty years yet that doesn't change the current status quo of the capitalist

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

‘DREAMER’ Sodomized Multiple Boys, Between The Ages 7 and 9

So have Baptist pastors, I am sure.

What is your point?

one of the big similarities between the Democrats and the Nazis is their fanatical religious bigotry, you wackos are scary

Telling the truth is American not bigotry.

key word truth

 

[dblack]

And in the meantime we're trying to stop the endless flow in and you're fighting us on that.

Your fight is with reality. People go where the work is. Governments can impede human migration, temporarily and at great cost, but ultimately the "endless flow" will ignore your laws and your walls. The fact is, we're inviting them here. We want them here. We're paying them to be here.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I think what you are seeing is undocumented immigrants that exist in many families of legal immigrants. Undocumented immigrant do not assimilate primarily because they are undocumented. They live in a subculture dominated by secrecy and fear. They have to avoid associating with strangers, joining organizations that would call attentions to themselves. Avoid employment in places that are unsafe. Avoid the police. Keep their children away from other kids believed to be unsafe. Stay in areas where their are many Latinos. Also, family members that are legal citizens have to be careful not to expose the family to unwanted attention. This is why so many undocumented immigrants hope to return someday to their country of origin so they can be free of the fear. As the Mexican economy has improved over the last few years, many are doing just that.

Assimilation is one of the major benefits of legalization. Millions of people would be able to join the America culture, improve their education, get better jobs, open new businesses, and take part in their community.

No such things as "undocumented immigrants" The correct term to identify these invaders is >> "ILLEGAL ALIENS" They are neither "undocumented", nor are they "immigrants"

I've met thousands of them in 4 different states of the US (New York, Tennessee, California, and Florida). They have plenty of documents. I've spoken to them (in Spanish), and they (construction workers and janitors) have company photo ID cards, library cards, etc, etc

And they are not immigrants. Immigrants are people like my ancestors, who went through an official process of immigration with US immigration authorities.

In the words of the late Professor George Grayson, of William & Mary College in Virginia, a scholar in Mexican-American relations, >>

"To call an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant", is about equivalent to calling a bank robber "an informal withdrawl agent"

But isn't it interesting hw you show so much sympathy for the illegal alien, while showing zero sympathy for the American citizens enduring the longlist of harms that these invaders bring to us.

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($138 Billion/year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

17. Influx of terrorists

Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:

• Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
• The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.

Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.

Undocumented immigrant is a euphemism and a lie because documentation has nothing to do with it. If you document them, they are still an illegal alien. The problem is they are criminals who violated sovereign US territory. The problem is not that they didn't leave a paper trail when they did it.

So just to be clear, if I embezzle money, that's fine as long as I "document" it, right? You're just the flat out dumbest people

According to Flopper, it's not illegal to embezzle money until a court rules that it's illegal.

Methinks he doesn't understand the term "illegal".

 

[BrokeLoser]

Obama should have just sent all border agents home. His tough stance was a complete joke.

And the current attack by the left is to try and get that back.

They say they don't want open borders. They speak with forked tounge.

No president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barrack Obama.

Presidency of Barack Obama, 3.2 million people deported. 400,000/yr. Avg.
Presidency of George W. Bush, 2 million people were deported. 250,000/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Bill Clinton, 870,000 people deported. 108,750/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Donald Trump 240,00 deported in first yr. 240,000/Yr. Avg
Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

That’s weird...the illegal alien population increased by 2.5 million under the unAmerican, big eared black dudes administration...that’s nearly a 25% bump...How many presidents accomplished that amazing feat?
2.5 Million Join Illegal Population under Obama