What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Flopper]

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

More to point, what makes you think Trump will be successful in building it before he leaves office?

1. Trump has back down from the huge beautiful wall on the boarder to "a physical structure might not be needed where you have rivers and mountains and everything else protecting the border."
2. He has made statements indicated that his wall may turnout to be fencing in many places.
3. Congress has still not allocated any money to build the wall which means no property has been purchase, nor have bids gone out for the construction (except a prototype).
4. Recently a Homeland Security report put the cost of the reinforce steel fence on the boarder in California at a small fraction of the cost the wall and is said to be over 95% effective at stopping climbers.
5. Since there is no money specifically marked for the wall this year or the 2018-19 budget, the actually construction may not start till the last year of Trump's term and even that may not happen.

If was always difficult to justify the need for the wall to Congress but it's going to be much more difficult today because the number of illegal crossing has fallen sharply. For example, in 2000, there were over 1.6 million illegal crossings. By 2005, the number had dropped to 265,000 and by 2016 the number was down to 170,000. Trump is asking for 18 billion for the wall construction. That puts the cost per per person at over $22,000/yr per person including maintenance and added personnel over a 20 year period. If immigration laws are changed to increase work permits or quotas which is being proposed, there would likely be and even bigger drop in illegal crossing making the wall a monument to stupidity.

Trump's border wall: A look at the numbers
Border Crossing by the Numbers | Blog | Independent Lens | PBS

 

[OKTexas]

usillegalaliens.com don't cut it. It is a known immigrant of color hating medium. However, are we deporting all alien felons at the end of their prison sentences. You should look into it.

Also you have not quantified compared pedophiliac attacks by illegal aliens with Baptist pastors.

Also how to the have above number compare with those of similar offenses committed by American citizens?

Already answered. From the link.

Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

.

 

[jasonnfree]

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Not really, considering Mexico's paying for the wall, remember?

 

[JakeStarkey]

usillegalaliens.com don't cut it. It is a known immigrant of color hating medium. However, are we deporting all alien felons at the end of their prison sentences. You should look into it.

Also you have not quantified compared pedophiliac attacks by illegal aliens with Baptist pastors.

Also how to the have above number compare with those of similar offenses committed by American citizens?

Already answered. From the link.

Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

.

That is a general statement without objective facts.

 

[Flopper]

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Not really, considering Mexico's paying for the wall, remember?

Well when democrats tear it down, they can give it to the Mexicans since it's their wall. Maybe we should have the Hondurans and Guatemalans pay for it since they're going to be the primary users.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Not really, considering Mexico's paying for the wall, remember?

Well when democrats tear it down, they can give it to the Mexicans since it's their wall. Maybe we should have the Hondurans and Guatemalans pay for it since they're going to be the primary users.

And they couldn't use it without the help from Mexico.

 

[OKTexas]

usillegalaliens.com don't cut it. It is a known immigrant of color hating medium. However, are we deporting all alien felons at the end of their prison sentences. You should look into it.

Also you have not quantified compared pedophiliac attacks by illegal aliens with Baptist pastors.

Also how to the have above number compare with those of similar offenses committed by American citizens?

Already answered. From the link.

Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

.

That is a general statement without objective facts.

Feel free to prove it wrong, any of it. I'm the one that has provided substantiation, and you have nothing but your commie whining.

Almost 2,200 murders a year by illegals, that I guess is the human price you're willing to pay for not enforcing immigration laws. Good job comrade.


.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

More to point, what makes you think Trump will be successful in building it before he leaves office?

1. Trump has back down from the huge beautiful wall on the boarder to "a physical structure might not be needed where you have rivers and mountains and everything else protecting the border."
2. He has made statements indicated that his wall may turnout to be fencing in many places.
3. Congress has still not allocated any money to build the wall which means no property has been purchase, nor have bids gone out for the construction (except a prototype).
4. Recently a Homeland Security report put the cost of the reinforce steel fence on the boarder in California at a small fraction of the cost the wall and is said to be over 95% effective at stopping climbers.
5. Since there is no money specifically marked for the wall this year or the 2018-19 budget, the actually construction may not start till the last year of Trump's term and even that may not happen.

If was always difficult to justify the need for the wall to Congress but it's going to be much more difficult today because the number of illegal crossing has fallen sharply. For example, in 2000, there were over 1.6 million illegal crossings. By 2005, the number had dropped to 265,000 and by 2016 the number was down to 170,000. Trump is asking for 18 billion for the wall construction. That puts the cost per per person at over $22,000/yr per person including maintenance and added personnel over a 20 year period. If immigration laws are changed to increase work permits or quotas which is being proposed, there would likely be and even bigger drop in illegal crossing making the wall a monument to stupidity.

Trump's border wall: A look at the numbers
Border Crossing by the Numbers | Blog | Independent Lens | PBS

Perhaps, but there has also been an increase in drug flow across the border now killing more Americans than any other time in our history.

You can't blame Trump for not getting the funding for the wall when it's Democrats threatening to shut down the government if it's part of our budget. Why are Democrats so frightened by the wall? For one, it will not be destroyed if Democrats take control. Two, it will actually provide results that the Democrats fear because they've been lying to the American people that it won't do any good.

When Trump realizes that we support his efforts even if it means shutting down the government, he just may move forward on it. I hope he does. It would give credence to my signature.

 

[Flopper]

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Not really, considering Mexico's paying for the wall, remember?

Well when democrats tear it down, they can give it to the Mexicans since it's their wall. Maybe we should have the Hondurans and Guatemalans pay for it since they're going to be the primary users.

And they couldn't use it without the help from Mexico.

Ah, so maybe there should be a sharing agreement. However, if we are really going sell the wall to these people, they should have to pay the delivery cost.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Not really, considering Mexico's paying for the wall, remember?

No one but whacko LefTards ever gave two shits about who was paying for the wall...that never really mattered...ever...the arithmetic is elementary...the wall pays for itself....third-graders understand this.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Not really, considering Mexico's paying for the wall, remember?

Well when democrats tear it down, they can give it to the Mexicans since it's their wall. Maybe we should have the Hondurans and Guatemalans pay for it since they're going to be the primary users.

And they couldn't use it without the help from Mexico.

Ah, so maybe there should be a sharing agreement. However, if we are really going sell the wall to these people, they should have to pay the delivery cost.

I don't think cost is a problem to us border supporters. If the wall costs 30 some billion, that's less than half of what we spend on food stamps in just one year. The most important thing is to get the wall. For crying out loud, we gave (in total funding) 1.3 billion to Planned Parenthood alone.

If you are suggesting that only Republicans pay for the wall, fine with me, but it doesn't come without an exchange. Democrats can fund Medicaid, welfare, food stamps just to name a few of their treasures.

 

[Picaro]

The point is this: look up fallacy of hasty generalization.

If you can quantify quite a number of such incidents, you have a point.

Right now: you don't.

Quantify this commie.

• In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
• There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
• 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
• Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
• In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
• At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
• 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
• Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
• Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
• Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
• Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
• There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
• Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
• Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
• In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
• Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
• The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
• The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Any questions?

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Crime Summary


.

All true. The problem is these commies and racists aren't really concerned about 'The Children', or fairness, or real solutions, they want to continue flooding the country with illegals, and they don't care about facts, since they play no part at all in their agendas. They just want dead bodies in the streets, this country wiped off the planet, and they don't care about what comes later. It's all about 'revenge' for these animals, and they see themselves setting up shop as rulers of the wastelands.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The point is this: look up fallacy of hasty generalization.

If you can quantify quite a number of such incidents, you have a point.

Right now: you don't.

Quantify this commie.

• In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
• There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
• 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
• Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
• In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
• At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
• 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
• Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
• Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
• Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
• Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
• There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
• Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
• Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
• In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
• Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
• The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
• The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Any questions?

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Crime Summary


.

All true. The problem is these commies and racists aren't really concerned about 'The Children', or fairness, or real solutions, they want to continue flooding the country with illegals, and they don't care about facts, since they play no part at all in their agendas. They just want dead bodies in the streets, this country wiped off the planet, and they don't care about what comes later. It's all about 'revenge' for these animals, and they see themselves setting up shop as rulers of the wastelands.

Their ultimate goal is to make whites a minority in this country for the first time in history. If they can accomplish that, they will be on a path to a one-party government for eternity.

They don't care about the criminals, the drug pushers and users, the rapists or murderers, just as long as they are not white.

 

[Flopper]

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

More to point, what makes you think Trump will be successful in building it before he leaves office?

1. Trump has back down from the huge beautiful wall on the boarder to "a physical structure might not be needed where you have rivers and mountains and everything else protecting the border."
2. He has made statements indicated that his wall may turnout to be fencing in many places.
3. Congress has still not allocated any money to build the wall which means no property has been purchase, nor have bids gone out for the construction (except a prototype).
4. Recently a Homeland Security report put the cost of the reinforce steel fence on the boarder in California at a small fraction of the cost the wall and is said to be over 95% effective at stopping climbers.
5. Since there is no money specifically marked for the wall this year or the 2018-19 budget, the actually construction may not start till the last year of Trump's term and even that may not happen.

If was always difficult to justify the need for the wall to Congress but it's going to be much more difficult today because the number of illegal crossing has fallen sharply. For example, in 2000, there were over 1.6 million illegal crossings. By 2005, the number had dropped to 265,000 and by 2016 the number was down to 170,000. Trump is asking for 18 billion for the wall construction. That puts the cost per per person at over $22,000/yr per person including maintenance and added personnel over a 20 year period. If immigration laws are changed to increase work permits or quotas which is being proposed, there would likely be and even bigger drop in illegal crossing making the wall a monument to stupidity.

Trump's border wall: A look at the numbers
Border Crossing by the Numbers | Blog | Independent Lens | PBS

Perhaps, but there has also been an increase in drug flow across the border now killing more Americans than any other time in our history.

You can't blame Trump for not getting the funding for the wall when it's Democrats threatening to shut down the government if it's part of our budget. Why are Democrats so frightened by the wall? For one, it will not be destroyed if Democrats take control. Two, it will actually provide results that the Democrats fear because they've been lying to the American people that it won't do any good.

When Trump realizes that we support his efforts even if it means shutting down the government, he just may move forward on it. I hope he does. It would give credence to my signature.

A drug cartel is one business that will remain largely unaffected by the wall since most of the drugs that enter the US come by air, sea, and through boarder checkpoints. Catapults work quite well for sending packages over a wall, however there will probably be no need.

Democrats have identified over 350 places on the border that would need openings in the wall for wildlife, cattle, and drainage and you can bet Democrats will make those openings.

Democrats don't like having a wall between the nations because, the number of illegal boarder crossing have been going down and will likely continue. Changes in immigration laws such as increases in work permits and yearly work visas will radically reduce the number of illegal crossing.

The wall will become a relic of American isolationism, a symbol of hatred and distrust between the nations. Make no mistake if this wall is built, it will come down just as the Berlin Wall came down.

 

[Picaro]

The point is this: look up fallacy of hasty generalization.

If you can quantify quite a number of such incidents, you have a point.

Right now: you don't.

Quantify this commie.

• In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
• There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
• 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
• Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
• In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
• At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
• 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
• Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
• Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
• Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
• Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
• There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
• Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
• Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
• In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
• Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
• The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
• The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Any questions?

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Crime Summary


.

All true. The problem is these commies and racists aren't really concerned about 'The Children', or fairness, or real solutions, they want to continue flooding the country with illegals, and they don't care about facts, since they play no part at all in their agendas. They just want dead bodies in the streets, this country wiped off the planet, and they don't care about what comes later. It's all about 'revenge' for these animals, and they see themselves setting up shop as rulers of the wastelands.

Their ultimate goal is to make whites a minority in this country for the first time in history. If they can accomplish that, they will be on a path to a one-party government for eternity.

They don't care about the criminals, the drug pushers and users, the rapists or murderers, just as long as they are not white.

Yes. They never cared about school shootings in th epast, but now they invented the NRA is to blame scam, so they suddenly have a lot to say about it now in those shootings where it isn't gang bangers doing the shooting.

 

[HappyJoy]

They don't see them as human.

----------------------------------- sure they are human but they aren't AMERICAN HappyJoy .

Then we should be Americans and treat them like humans. Also, some of the families that were separated did enter legally as refugees, we still treated them like animals.

Let's stop pretending that their legal status is the issue here.

------------------------------------- legal status doesn't matter to me no matter what it is . I have no use for legal or illegal third worlders as i see them all as the same third worlders , USA government decides who is legal or illegal and many USA governments starting with 'reagan' have been 'fos' Happy Joy .

And one wonders why the Republicans are always accused of racism.

---------------------------------------- no one cares about some silly designation any more than you care about being designated as being an emotionally driven naive woman Happy Joy .

Boy are you confused.

 

[Picaro]

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

More to point, what makes you think Trump will be successful in building it before he leaves office?

1. Trump has back down from the huge beautiful wall on the boarder to "a physical structure might not be needed where you have rivers and mountains and everything else protecting the border."
2. He has made statements indicated that his wall may turnout to be fencing in many places.
3. Congress has still not allocated any money to build the wall which means no property has been purchase, nor have bids gone out for the construction (except a prototype).
4. Recently a Homeland Security report put the cost of the reinforce steel fence on the boarder in California at a small fraction of the cost the wall and is said to be over 95% effective at stopping climbers.
5. Since there is no money specifically marked for the wall this year or the 2018-19 budget, the actually construction may not start till the last year of Trump's term and even that may not happen.

If was always difficult to justify the need for the wall to Congress but it's going to be much more difficult today because the number of illegal crossing has fallen sharply. For example, in 2000, there were over 1.6 million illegal crossings. By 2005, the number had dropped to 265,000 and by 2016 the number was down to 170,000. Trump is asking for 18 billion for the wall construction. That puts the cost per per person at over $22,000/yr per person including maintenance and added personnel over a 20 year period. If immigration laws are changed to increase work permits or quotas which is being proposed, there would likely be and even bigger drop in illegal crossing making the wall a monument to stupidity.

Trump's border wall: A look at the numbers
Border Crossing by the Numbers | Blog | Independent Lens | PBS

Perhaps, but there has also been an increase in drug flow across the border now killing more Americans than any other time in our history.

You can't blame Trump for not getting the funding for the wall when it's Democrats threatening to shut down the government if it's part of our budget. Why are Democrats so frightened by the wall? For one, it will not be destroyed if Democrats take control. Two, it will actually provide results that the Democrats fear because they've been lying to the American people that it won't do any good.

When Trump realizes that we support his efforts even if it means shutting down the government, he just may move forward on it. I hope he does. It would give credence to my signature.

A drug cartel is one business that will remain largely unaffected by the wall since most of the drugs that enter the US come by air, sea, and through boarder checkpoints. Catapults work quite well for sending packages over a wall, however there will probably be no need.

Democrats have identified over 350 places on the border that would need openings in the wall for wildlife, cattle, and drainage and you can bet Democrats will make those openings.

Democrats don't like having a wall between the nations because, the number of illegal boarder crossing have been going down and will likely continue. Changes in immigration laws such as increases in work permits and yearly work visas will radically reduce the number of illegal crossing.

The wall will become a relic of American isolationism, a symbol of hatred and distrust between the nations. Make no mistake if this wall is built, it will come down just as the Berlin Wall came down.

lol you aren't fooling anybody with this fake crap. Just admit you're a racist and everything you support is for that reason.

 

[Picaro]

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Not really, considering Mexico's paying for the wall, remember?

Well when democrats tear it down, they can give it to the Mexicans since it's their wall. Maybe we should have the Hondurans and Guatemalans pay for it since they're going to be the primary users.

And they couldn't use it without the help from Mexico.

Ah, so maybe there should be a sharing agreement. However, if we are really going sell the wall to these people, they should have to pay the delivery cost.

I don't think cost is a problem to us border supporters. If the wall costs 30 some billion, that's less than half of what we spend on food stamps in just one year. The most important thing is to get the wall. For crying out loud, we gave (in total funding) 1.3 billion to Planned Parenthood alone.

If you are suggesting that only Republicans pay for the wall, fine with me, but it doesn't come without an exchange. Democrats can fund Medicaid, welfare, food stamps just to name a few of their treasures.

Two thirds of it was already there before Trump was even inaugurated.

 

[dblack]

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

More to point, what makes you think Trump will be successful in building it before he leaves office?

1. Trump has back down from the huge beautiful wall on the boarder to "a physical structure might not be needed where you have rivers and mountains and everything else protecting the border."
2. He has made statements indicated that his wall may turnout to be fencing in many places.
3. Congress has still not allocated any money to build the wall which means no property has been purchase, nor have bids gone out for the construction (except a prototype).
4. Recently a Homeland Security report put the cost of the reinforce steel fence on the boarder in California at a small fraction of the cost the wall and is said to be over 95% effective at stopping climbers.
5. Since there is no money specifically marked for the wall this year or the 2018-19 budget, the actually construction may not start till the last year of Trump's term and even that may not happen.

If was always difficult to justify the need for the wall to Congress but it's going to be much more difficult today because the number of illegal crossing has fallen sharply. For example, in 2000, there were over 1.6 million illegal crossings. By 2005, the number had dropped to 265,000 and by 2016 the number was down to 170,000. Trump is asking for 18 billion for the wall construction. That puts the cost per per person at over $22,000/yr per person including maintenance and added personnel over a 20 year period. If immigration laws are changed to increase work permits or quotas which is being proposed, there would likely be and even bigger drop in illegal crossing making the wall a monument to stupidity.

Trump's border wall: A look at the numbers
Border Crossing by the Numbers | Blog | Independent Lens | PBS

Perhaps, but there has also been an increase in drug flow across the border now killing more Americans than any other time in our history.

You can't blame Trump for not getting the funding for the wall when it's Democrats threatening to shut down the government if it's part of our budget. Why are Democrats so frightened by the wall? For one, it will not be destroyed if Democrats take control. Two, it will actually provide results that the Democrats fear because they've been lying to the American people that it won't do any good.

When Trump realizes that we support his efforts even if it means shutting down the government, he just may move forward on it. I hope he does. It would give credence to my signature.

A drug cartel is one business that will remain largely unaffected by the wall since most of the drugs that enter the US come by air, sea, and through boarder checkpoints. Catapults work quite well for sending packages over a wall, however there will probably be no need.

Democrats have identified over 350 places on the border that would need openings in the wall for wildlife, cattle, and drainage and you can bet Democrats will make those openings.

Democrats don't like having a wall between the nations because, the number of illegal boarder crossing have been going down and will likely continue. Changes in immigration laws such as increases in work permits and yearly work visas will radically reduce the number of illegal crossing.

The wall will become a relic of American isolationism, a symbol of hatred and distrust between the nations. Make no mistake if this wall is built, it will come down just as the Berlin Wall came down.

lol you aren't fooling anybody with this fake crap. Just admit you're a racist and everything you support is for that reason.

"Fake news!", good call. And a lot less work than a strawman.

 

[HappyJoy]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

How about the unnecessary separation of children from their parents?

If they have criminal parents, what do you suggest? Let the criminals go because they need to take care of their kids? If i go commit a crime and im sentenced to jail time, can i tell the judge i have a kid to get out of it? Why should illegal immigrants be any different?

Keep the families together. Did you miss the entire thread?