What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[JakeStarkey]

‘DREAMER’ Sodomized Multiple Boys, Between The Ages 7 and 9

So have Baptist pastors, I am sure.

What is your point?

Very compassionate answer......

I doubt that was your point. Let's stay in the ball park.

 

[Doc1]

Undocumented immigrant is a euphemism and a lie ...

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

 

[Manonthestreet]

‘DREAMER’ Sodomized Multiple Boys, Between The Ages 7 and 9

So have Baptist pastors, I am sure.

What is your point?

Very compassionate answer......

I doubt that was your point. Let's stay in the ball park.

I doubt you know what any point is

 

[JakeStarkey]

The point is this: look up fallacy of hasty generalization.

If you can quantify quite a number of such incidents, you have a point.

Right now: you don't.

 

[Picaro]

The scum who encourage criminal illegal immigration are solely responsible for any 'Evil' that comes out enforcing our immigration laws. Nobody else but them and the illegals themselves, so quit trying to sell us on how 'concerned' the fake left is over 'The Children'; it's a load of hypocritical rubbish. They could care less about 'The Children', and we know this because these liars and fake 'progressives' never, ever step up and offer to personally sponsor a single one of them, ever. They're racists trying to bring in supporters of their own violent racist agendas, period.

Quit pissing on our legs and then trying to claim it's raining. You're liars and frauds. There are far more than enough of you vermin to sponsor every single one of the kids you lie about feeling sorry for, and we all know it. We should be deporting your ilk right along with the illegals. That is the proper thing to do.

 

[Godboy]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

How about the unnecessary separation of children from their parents?

If they have criminal parents, what do you suggest? Let the criminals go because they need to take care of their kids? If i go commit a crime and im sentenced to jail time, can i tell the judge i have a kid to get out of it? Why should illegal immigrants be any different?

 

[dblack]

Undocumented immigrant is a euphemism and a lie ...

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

Of course that wouldn't happen. Freedom is messy and, if you believe our leaders, very scary! But it's better than hiding behind a wall.

 

[Doc1]

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

Of course that wouldn't happen. Freedom is messy and, if you believe our leaders, very scary! But it's better than hiding behind a wall.

Borders are Borders. Nobody is hiding. We can't pay for everybody. It's a hard truth, but they need to stay and improve their own Nations.

 

[MaryL]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

I agree, this is evil. Parents shouldn't leverage their children as a hedge against being penalized for willingly violating a law...ANY LAW. It is beyond cynical into the realm of disgusting to use your parenthood and your children to this degree. They throw their kids under the bus and WE have to catch them...really?

 

[dblack]

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

Of course that wouldn't happen. Freedom is messy and, if you believe our leaders, very scary! But it's better than hiding behind a wall.

Borders are Borders. Nobody is hiding. We can't pay for everybody. It's a hard truth, but they need to stay and improve their own Nations.

If you don't want immigrants getting welfare, fine. I'll help you fight that battle. But that's no excuse to go all gulag.

 

[skews13]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Any cost is acceptable if you're a trumpoid. Life is cheap to a trumpoid. Unless of course you are pandering to evangelical trumpoids for votes.

 

[Doc1]

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

Of course that wouldn't happen. Freedom is messy and, if you believe our leaders, very scary! But it's better than hiding behind a wall.

Borders are Borders. Nobody is hiding. We can't pay for everybody. It's a hard truth, but they need to stay and improve their own Nations.

If you don't want immigrants getting welfare, fine. I'll help you fight that battle. But that's no excuse to go all gulag.

So you want to admit folks who can't take care of themselves. (forehead slap)

 

[dblack]

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

Of course that wouldn't happen. Freedom is messy and, if you believe our leaders, very scary! But it's better than hiding behind a wall.

Borders are Borders. Nobody is hiding. We can't pay for everybody. It's a hard truth, but they need to stay and improve their own Nations.

If you don't want immigrants getting welfare, fine. I'll help you fight that battle. But that's no excuse to go all gulag.

So you want to admit folks who can't take care of themselves. (forehead slap)

Nope. Try again.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

 

[dblack]

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Uh huh...

 

[Flopper]

Undocumented immigrant is a euphemism and a lie ...

So is 'illegal alien' - it's a euphemism for "someone who might do my job for less money".

Yes, if you're a picker, domestic worker, a semiskilled worker in the construction or stand in front of Home Depot looking for temporary work. The solution is relatively simple but controversial. Allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. Then employers will have to pay the going rate for the job and won't be able to hire people below minimum wage.

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

So just throw open ALL borders and sing "We Are The World".

That's not what I proposed. Maybe you have a reading problem but once again, I proposed a limited legalization program available only to non-felons for a limited period of time for those who could prove they have been residents in the country for a specified period. I also proposed a number of items that would increase boarder security, restrict jobs for those crossing the boarder illegally, lessen the desire to enter illegally by making more work permits available, and tracking down those that overstay visas. Solving the immigration problem is not that hard. Getting an agreement between the two sides is almost impossible.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Flopper, trumphoidia affects the central nervous system and destroys the empathy cells.

 

[OKTexas]

The point is this: look up fallacy of hasty generalization.

If you can quantify quite a number of such incidents, you have a point.

Right now: you don't.

Quantify this commie.

• In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
• There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
• 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
• Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
• In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
• At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
• 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
• Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
• Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
• Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
• Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
• There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
• Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
• Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
• In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
• Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
• The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
• The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Any questions?

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Crime Summary


.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Haha...more backwards ass LefTard logic.
“Don’t enforce the law...just take the law off the books.”
“Don’t arrest the guy dealing heroin to our kids...just make heroin legal instead.”
Haha...holy shit...only in LibTardia!

When laws don't work, we change them. We had prohibition for over a decade, tried to use federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement. We closed up saloons, stopped shipments coming from outside the country, jailed saloon owners and bootleggers. After a decade, we came to our senses and changed the law and made the entire industry legal.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem now for over 60 years. Deportation and building fences and walls have never work and never will because most of the people in the country don't support it. In fact, a large percent of republicans about 35% and 90% of democrats don't agree with Trump. Six states and hundreds of cities and towns refuse to cooperate with the immigration service. To make our immigration laws work, we would need strong continuing support from both sides which we don't have. When Trump issue orders to change immigration policy around country, democrats will just reverse it when they get in power. We have to come up with new ideas, if not nothing is going change over the long run.

Maybe, but the one thing Democrats won't be able to reverse is a wall; that's why they are fighting so hard against it.

Heh. What make you think it can't be reversed?

What do you think they would do, tear down a 30 billion dollar wall? That would be political suicide.

Uh huh...

Well good luck with that one.

 

[JakeStarkey]

usillegalaliens.com don't cut it. It is a known immigrant of color hating medium. However, are we deporting all alien felons at the end of their prison sentences. You should look into it.

Also you have not quantified compared pedophiliac attacks by illegal aliens with Baptist pastors.

Also how to the have above number compare with those of similar offenses committed by American citizens?