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Nope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
Only citizens are entitled to due processNope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.
I couldn't help but notice that you completely avoided my point. I assume that's because you didn't have a sound argument to counter it with.What's the difference in circumstance? Parent commits a crime and goes to jail. Do you think that maybe the authorities thought it wouldn't be wise to put kids in jail with random criminals? Who knows if there are pedophiles among them. One must assume that there are some pedos in there.Do i get to keep my family with me if i go to jail? Why should an illegal immigrant get special treatment above me as a US citizen?If they have criminal parents, what do you suggest? Let the criminals go because they need to take care of their kids? If i go commit a crime and im sentenced to jail time, can i tell the judge i have a kid to get out of it? Why should illegal immigrants be any different?
Keep the families together. Did you miss the entire thread?
Not the same circumstance, but kind of weird you would want to incarcerate your own kid and think that is some sort of right that you don't have.
What's the difference? Clearly you haven't thought this through.
Only citizens are entitled to due processNope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.
Taking young children away from their parents should be a last resort. Since the system provides family detention centers, there is no reason why they should not be used. However, the best option is releasing the parents on their own recognizance with monitoring which has proved very effective. It lowers cost and keeps the family together. Of course that's not going to happen because Trump wants to use the system to punish the parents which was never the intent of our immigration laws.Do i get to keep my family with me if i go to jail? Why should an illegal immigrant get special treatment above me as a US citizen?Keep the families together. Did you miss the entire thread?
Not the same circumstance, but kind of weird you would want to incarcerate your own kid and think that is some sort of right that you don't have.
Kinda weird YOU think it's horrible child abuse NOT to incarcerate children with their illegal immigrant parents.
They are often incarcerated separately from their parents.
No, they are put in the custody of Health and Human Services (I believe that's the correct department) and from there into the custody of child welfare officials, if their parents' incarceration is prolonged.
The more you indulge yourself in inflammatory, fundamentally-flawed rhetoric, the more ludicrous your "outrage" looks.
You mean like when their parents go to jail for commiting a crime? Surely you wouldn't expect us to be heartless enough to put young children in adult prisons.Taking young children away from their parents should be a last resort.
Anyone living in the U.S. — legally or not — has constitutional rights, including the right to equal protection of the law and that of due process (fair treatment in the judicial system). Immigration officers are not required nor do they advise detainees of their rights so they often assume they have none. That's why most detainees do not have lawyers and wave their right to a hearing and accept deportation.Only citizens are entitled to due processNope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.
Ok, I mean constitutionally. They can be granted it legislativelyOnly citizens are entitled to due processNope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.
Not so.
See last postAnyone living in the U.S. — legally or not — has constitutional rights, including the right to equal protection of the law and that of due process (fair treatment in the judicial system). Immigration officers are not required nor do they advise detainees of their rights so they often assume they have none. That's why most detainees do not have lawyers and wave their rights and accept deportation which of course is really dumb.Only citizens are entitled to due processNope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.
What Constitutional Rights Do Undocumented Immigrants Have When on American Soil? - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org
No, I mean exactly what I said. Taking young children away from their parent should be a last resort.You mean like when their parents go to jail for commiting a crime? Surely you wouldn't expect us to be heartless enough to put young children in adult prisons.Taking young children away from their parents should be a last resort.
Link?See last postAnyone living in the U.S. — legally or not — has constitutional rights, including the right to equal protection of the law and that of due process (fair treatment in the judicial system). Immigration officers are not required nor do they advise detainees of their rights so they often assume they have none. That's why most detainees do not have lawyers and wave their rights and accept deportation which of course is really dumb.Only citizens are entitled to due processNope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.
What Constitutional Rights Do Undocumented Immigrants Have When on American Soil? - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org
Do i get to keep my family with me if i go to jail? Why should an illegal immigrant get special treatment above me as a US citizen?
Not the same circumstance, but kind of weird you would want to incarcerate your own kid and think that is some sort of right that you don't have.
Kinda weird YOU think it's horrible child abuse NOT to incarcerate children with their illegal immigrant parents.
They are often incarcerated separately from their parents.
No, they are put in the custody of Health and Human Services (I believe that's the correct department) and from there into the custody of child welfare officials, if their parents' incarceration is prolonged.
The more you indulge yourself in inflammatory, fundamentally-flawed rhetoric, the more ludicrous your "outrage" looks.
Yes, they are put into the care of Health and Human Services. Whether they are legal asylum seekers or have illegally entered the country. It's a new policy that needs to stop.
Nope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.FALSE! A person illegally crossing the border may or may not have been adjudicated as such, but he's illegal the second he crosses that border without inspection. The court decision is merely a confirmation of that fact.Undocumented Immigrant is the correct term because:
Having undocumented immigrants in the country does have some undeniably negative effects which the left would like to ignore. Likewise there are benefits that the right prefers to ignore. However, we should question how much of the negative effects are due to the lack of upward mobility and lack of absorption into our culture which is a direct result of being undocumented. Without upward mobility and absorption, undocumented immigrants are frozen into a subculture that is unhealthy for them and the nation.
- Undocumented refers to the lack of genuine documentation of the right to be in a country. The presence of a person in a country is not illegal until a court makes that decision.
- The word immigrant means a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country with or without property documentation.
I mentioned 17 negative harms of immigration. You mentioned zero "benefits" you claim there are.
Immigrant is a person who has gone an immigration process, by the proper authorities.
As for the harms, except for # 14 (cultural erosion), they exist regardless of "absorption into our culture " (aka assimilation). And with regard to cultural erosion, there doesn't seem to be much of it (like the thugs in San Jose, CA, who chased and attcked Trump rallygoers, while waving Mexican flags)
The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.
Taking young children away from their parents should be a last resort. Since the system provides family detention centers, there is no reason why they should not be used. However, the best option is releasing the parents on their own recognizance with monitoring which has proved very effective. It lowers cost and keeps the family together. Of course that's not going to happen because Trump wants to use the system to punish the parents which was never the intent of our immigration laws.Do i get to keep my family with me if i go to jail? Why should an illegal immigrant get special treatment above me as a US citizen?
Not the same circumstance, but kind of weird you would want to incarcerate your own kid and think that is some sort of right that you don't have.
Kinda weird YOU think it's horrible child abuse NOT to incarcerate children with their illegal immigrant parents.
They are often incarcerated separately from their parents.
No, they are put in the custody of Health and Human Services (I believe that's the correct department) and from there into the custody of child welfare officials, if their parents' incarceration is prolonged.
The more you indulge yourself in inflammatory, fundamentally-flawed rhetoric, the more ludicrous your "outrage" looks.
MirrorAnd you get more Democrat voters to boot!And in the meantime we're trying to stop the endless flow in and you're fighting us on that.
Your fight is with reality. People go where the work is. Governments can impede human migration, temporarily and at great cost, but ultimately the "endless flow" will ignore your laws and your walls. The fact is, we're inviting them here. We want them here. We're paying them to be here.
Believe it or not, there's more to life than Democrats and Republicans.
MirrorAnd you get more Democrat voters to boot!And in the meantime we're trying to stop the endless flow in and you're fighting us on that.
Your fight is with reality. People go where the work is. Governments can impede human migration, temporarily and at great cost, but ultimately the "endless flow" will ignore your laws and your walls. The fact is, we're inviting them here. We want them here. We're paying them to be here.
Believe it or not, there's more to life than Democrats and Republicans.
Seriously, does it make sense to you formulate immigration policy based on temporary, partisan politics?
No, I mean exactly what I said. Taking young children away from their parent should be a last resort.You mean like when their parents go to jail for commiting a crime? Surely you wouldn't expect us to be heartless enough to put young children in adult prisons.Taking young children away from their parents should be a last resort.
MirrorMirrorAnd you get more Democrat voters to boot!Your fight is with reality. People go where the work is. Governments can impede human migration, temporarily and at great cost, but ultimately the "endless flow" will ignore your laws and your walls. The fact is, we're inviting them here. We want them here. We're paying them to be here.
Believe it or not, there's more to life than Democrats and Republicans.
Seriously, does it make sense to you formulate immigration policy based on temporary, partisan politics?
Begging the question
Dblack. I have nothing. I'm going to just repeat what you said to me back to you. It didnt even make sense there eitherMirrorMirrorAnd you get more Democrat voters to boot!
Believe it or not, there's more to life than Democrats and Republicans.
Seriously, does it make sense to you formulate immigration policy based on temporary, partisan politics?
Begging the question
I've noticed.Dblack. I have nothing.MirrorMirrorBelieve it or not, there's more to life than Democrats and Republicans.
Seriously, does it make sense to you formulate immigration policy based on temporary, partisan politics?
Begging the question
