What if Trump compromised with the democrats to dump Obama care and gave them

[Windship]

A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

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The government estimate for Medicare when it was conceived was that it would only cost $12 billion a year by 1990, the actual cost that year was $107 billion, which is inline with just about every other federal "program" ever conceived, so anybody that believes that estimate is optimistic to the point of insanity.

Not to mention that it would (once again) eliminate disincentives for over-consumption and thus completely destroy the price mechanism, just like idiotic government interference in the health insurance and student loan markets have already done.

TANSTAFL and there's no such thing as "free college" either.

Back that up with some links or do you just throw numbers around to suit your agenda? And even if it were true...I dont care. The moneys are going toward keeping people healthy. Let me ask you...how do you think this lopsided transfer of wealth happens? Hmmm...why is it so expensive....hmmm, ok...when a payment is sent out, who receives that payment and why is THAT person making so much? Maybe we need to regulate THOSE peoples poay like the working class has been "regulated" for the last 45 years.


Fact Checker
Jim DeMint’s claims about Medicare cost estimates from 1965




By Glenn Kessler October 21, 2013
Medicare’s enactment, it was projected that the federal government would spend $9 billion on Part A hospital services in 1990. Actual spending in that year totaled $67 billion—an increase of 644% compared with initial estimates.

“Likewise, government officials originally projected that Medicare Part B physician services would require ‘federal appropriations of about $500 million a year from general tax revenues.’ Last year, the federal outlay for that program was $163.8 billion—overshooting the original estimate by more than 4,400%.”

— Former senator Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), writing in The Wall Street Journal, Oct. 17, 2013

Jim DeMint, president of the Heritage Foundation, wrote an opinion article in which he declared that the organization would continue to fight the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, despite the failure of the government-shutdown strategy that the organization had advocated earlier this year.

In making the case that the cost of the health-care law was sure to grow, DeMint cited some figures about Medicare that struck us as a bit fishy. So we decided to investigate.

The Facts
There’s no question that any new social program often has unintended costs. We often point to the fascinating story of the creation of Medicaid, detailed in a 1993 article by former White House aide Joseph A. Califano Jr., which unexpectedly has led to one-third of the Medicaid budget today going to nursing homes. That’s an excellent example of a good intentions and congressional deal-making gone awry.

 

[Wyatt earp]

A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

.

The government estimate for Medicare when it was conceived was that it would only cost $12 billion a year by 1990, the actual cost that year was $107 billion, which is inline with just about every other federal "program" ever conceived, so anybody that believes that estimate is optimistic to the point of insanity.

Not to mention that it would (once again) eliminate disincentives for over-consumption and thus completely destroy the price mechanism, just like idiotic government interference in the health insurance and student loan markets have already done.

TANSTAFL and there's no such thing as "free college" either.

It's always good to just laugh at any "estimate" the Government provides, right or left it doesn't matter. As far as health insurance goes, that ship has sailed. Any attempt to take it away now will be met with a political ferocity that will make everyone's head spin. In some shape it's here to stay. I, (I've been in the business since 2000, but it is just my opinion) think it will be a Medicare type of plan for all.

That ship already sailed
Trumps first E. O. Was the nail in Obama cares coffin..

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Well then your [sic] in the wrong country you selfish piece of dog sh••. You need to be in china or malaysia. Look at my avatar. Here some free sh•• ...21 Tusd [sic] to the banks since 2008. I like free sh••. Ill [sic] take the free sh•• you can give me. Frees [sic] sh•• is good. Ill take free sh••. The rich get free sh•• too...tax breaks subsidies bailouts, deregulation...theres [sic] plenty of free sh•• around. Your gettin' [sic] it too... you f•••ing trader. Piece of dog sh••.

At least we have here, from a supporter of “free education”, a clear demonstration of the cliché that you get what you pay for.

 

[NightFox]

A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

.

The government estimate for Medicare when it was conceived was that it would only cost $12 billion a year by 1990, the actual cost that year was $107 billion, which is inline with just about every other federal "program" ever conceived, so anybody that believes that estimate is optimistic to the point of insanity.

Not to mention that it would (once again) eliminate disincentives for over-consumption and thus completely destroy the price mechanism, just like idiotic government interference in the health insurance and student loan markets have already done.

TANSTAFL and there's no such thing as "free college" either.

It's always good to just laugh at any "estimate" the Government provides, right or left it doesn't matter. As far as health insurance goes, that ship has sailed. Any attempt to take it away now will be met with a political ferocity that will make everyone's head spin. In some shape it's here to stay. I, (I've been in the business since 2000, but it is just my opinion) think it will be a Medicare type of plan for all.

I'm aware of the virtually non-existent possibility of it (health insurance) ever going back to what it should be (a voluntary-exchange based free market) however that doesn't mean we should completely ignore the lessons that the current imbroglio has to teach us and double down on economic and financial stupidity by doing the same thing to what remains of our higher education system.

 

[Windship]

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The Facts on Medicare Spending and Financing

Jul 20, 2016 | Juliette Cubanski and Tricia Neuman Follow @tricia_neuman on Twitter

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Overview of Medicare Spending
Medicare, the federal health insurance program for 57 million people ages 65 and over and people with permanent disabilities, helps to pay for hospital and physician visits, prescription drugs, and other acute and post-acute care services. In 2015, spending on Medicare accounted for 15% of the federal budget (Figure 1). Medicare plays a major role in the health care system, accounting for 20% of total national health spending in 2014, 29% of spending on retail sales of prescription drugs, 26% of spending on hospital care, and 23% of spending on physician services.1 This issue brief includes the most recent historical and projected Medicare spending data from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) Office of the Actuary (OACT), the 2016 annual report of the Boards of Medicare Trustees2 and the 2016 Medicare baseline and projections from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).3


Figure 1: Medicare as a Share of the Federal Budget, 2015

Medicare benefit payments totaled $632 billion in 2015; just under one-fourth was for hospital inpatient services (23%), 12% for the Part D drug benefit, and 11% for physician services (Figure 2). More than one-fourth of benefit spending (27%) was for Medicare Advantage private health plans covering all Part A and Part B benefits; in 2016, 31% of Medicare beneficiaries are enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans.4


Figure 2: Medicare Benefit Payments by Type of Service, 2015

Both in the aggregate and on a per capita basis, Medicare spending growth has slowed in recent years. While spending is expected to continue to grow more slowly in the future compared to historical trends, there are signs that spending growth could increase at a faster rate than in recent years, in part due to rising prescription drug spending, growing enrollment in Medicare, increases in provider payments, and higher growth in input prices for medical care.5 Net Medicare spending is projected to grow modestly as a share of the federal budget and the nation’s economy in the next ten years.

Historical Trends in Medicare Spending
TRENDS IN TOTAL AND PER CAPITA MEDICARE SPENDING
The recent years have seen a notable reduction in the growth of Medicare spending compared to prior decades, both overall and per beneficiary.

• Average annual growth in total Medicare spending was 4.4% between 2010 and 2015, down from 9.0% between 2000 and 2010, despite faster growth in enrollment since 2011 with the baby boom generation reaching Medicare eligibility age (Figure 3).
• Average annual growth in spending per beneficiary averaged just 1.4% between 2010 and 2015, down from 7.4% between 2000 and 2010.

Figure 3: Average Annual Growth Rates in Medicare and Private Health Insurance Spending, 2000-2015

Slower growth in Medicare spending in recent years can be attributed in part to policy changes that took effect as part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and the Budget Control Act of 2011 (BCA).6 The ACA included reductions in Medicare payments to plans and providers and introduced delivery system reforms that aimed to improve efficiency and quality of patient care and reduce costs, including accountable care organizations (ACOs), medical homes, bundled payments, and value-based purchasing initiatives. The BCA lowered Medicare spending through sequestration that reduced payments to providers and plans by 2% beginning in 2013. In addition to policy changes implemented through legislation, the trajectory of Medicare spending in recent years has shifted downward due to slower growth in prescription drug spending, a reduction in inpatient hospital readmissions, a sharp decline in home health spending, and recoveries from program integrity efforts.

SPENDING TRENDS FOR MEDICARE COMPARED TO PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE
Over the past 25 years, Medicare spending has grown at a slightly slower rate than private health insurance spending on a per enrollee basis. With the recent slowdown in the growth of Medicare spending, the difference in growth rates between Medicare and private health insurance spending per enrollee widened.

• Between 1989 and 2014, Medicare spending per enrollee grew at an average annual rate of 5.5%, somewhat slower than the 6.3% average annual growth rate in private insurance spending per enrollee over these years.7
• Between 2000 and 2010, per enrollee spending growth rates were comparable for Medicare and private insurance (Figure 3). Between 2010 and 2015, however, Medicare per capita spending grew considerably more slowly than private insurance spending, increasing at an average annual rate of just 1.4% over this time period, while average annual growth in private health insurance spending per capita increased at just over twice that rate (3.0%).

Medicare Spending Projections
SHORT-TERM SPENDING PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS
Looking ahead, net Medicare spending (that is, mandatory Medicare spending minus income from premiums and other offsetting receipts) is projected to increase from $591 billion in 2016 to $1.1 trillion in 2026, according to CBO. CBO projects total Medicare spending to increase from $695 billion to $1.3 trillion over this time period (Figure 4).8 Net Medicare spending is projected to grow modestly as a share of the federal budget and the nation’s economy over the next ten years. Between 2016 and 2026, Medicare’s share of the budget is projected to increase from 15.2% to 16.8%, while Medicare spending as a share of the gross domestic product (GDP) is projected to increase from 3.2% to 3.9%.


Figure 4: Actual and Projected Net Medicare Spending, 2010-2026

SPENDING GROWTH RATE PROJECTIONS

• Average annual growth in total Medicare spending is projected to be 7.1% between 2015 and 2025, faster than the 4.4% average annual growth rate between 2010 and 2015.
• On a per capita basis, Medicare spending is projected to grow at a faster rate between 2015 and 2025 (4.3%) than it has in recent years, but somewhat more slowly than average annual growth in per capita private health insurance spending over this time period (4.8%) (Figure 5).
• Medicare per capita spending is not expected to grow uniformly across the coming ten-year period, however. Average annual per capita spending growth is expected to be slower in the first five years of the projection period than in the last five years: 3.9% between 2015 and 2020, increasing to 4.7% between 2020 and 2025.

Figure 5: Projected Average Annual Growth Rate in Medicare and Private Health Insurance Spending, 2015-2025

RISING PRESCRIPTION DRUG SPENDING

• OACT projects a comparatively higher per capita growth rate in the coming years for Part D than for the other parts of the program due to higher costs associated with expensive specialty drugs. Per capita spending growth is projected to be 5.8% for Part D, compared to 3.2% for Part A and 4.6% for Part B (Figure 6).

Figure 6: Average Annual Growth in Medicare Beneficiary Costs for Part A, Part B, and Part D Between 2015 and 2025

LONG-TERM SPENDING PROJECTIONS
Over the longer term (that is, beyond the next ten years), both CBO and OACT expect Medicare spending to rise more rapidly relative to GDP due to a number of factors, including the aging of the population and faster growth in health care costs than growth in the economy on a per capita basis. According to CBO’s most recent long-term projections, net Medicare spending will grow from 3.2% of GDP in 2016 to 3.9% in 2026, 5.0% in 2036, and 5.7% in 2046.9

Over the next 30 years, CBO projects that “excess” health care cost growth10 will account for a somewhat larger share of projected growth in spending on the nation’s major health care programs (Medicare, Medicaid, and subsidies for ACA Marketplace coverage) than the aging of the population.11 CBO cites new medical technology and rising personal income as the driving factors behind projections of rising health care costs. At the same time, CBO notes that the projected rate of excess cost growth in Medicare spending for the coming years is lower than the historical rate of growth, based on the expectation that use of Medicare services will continue to grow slowly and on the smaller provider payment updates called for under current law relative to past payment increases.12

How Is Medicare Financed?
Medicare is funded primarily from three sources: general revenues (42%), payroll taxes (37%), and beneficiary premiums (13%) (Figure 7).


Figure 7: Sources of Medicare Revenue, 2015

• Part A is financed primarily through a 2.9% tax on earnings paid by employers and employees (1.45% each) (accounting for 88% of Part A revenue). Higher-income taxpayers (more than $200,000/individual and $250,000/couple) pay a higher payroll tax on earnings (2.35%).
• Part B is financed through general revenues (73%), beneficiary premiums (25%), and interest and other sources (2%). Beneficiaries with annual incomes over $85,000/individual or $170,000/couple pay a higher, income-related Part B premium reflecting a larger share of total Part B spending, ranging from 35% to 80%. The ACA froze the income thresholds through 2019, and beginning in 2020, the income thresholds will once again be indexed to inflation, based on their levels in 2019 (a provision in the Medicare Access and CHIP Reauthorization Act of 201513). As a result, the number and share of beneficiaries paying income-related premiums will increase as the number of people on Medicare continues to grow in future years and as their incomes rise.
• Part D is financed by general revenues (77%), beneficiary premiums (14%), and state payments for dually eligible beneficiaries (10%). As for Part B, higher-income enrollees pay a larger share of the cost of Part D coverage.
• The Medicare Advantage program (Part C) is not separately financed. Medicare Advantage plans such as HMOs and PPOs cover all Part A, Part B, and (typically) Part D benefits. Beneficiaries enrolled in Medicare Advantage typically pay monthly premiums for additional benefits covered by their plan, in addition to the Part B premium.

Assessing Medicare’s Financial Condition
Medicare’s financial condition can be assessed in different ways, including estimating the solvency of the Medicare Hospital Insurance (Part A) trust fund, and comparing various measures of Medicare spending—overall or per capita—to other spending measures, such as Medicare spending as a share of the federal budget or as a share of GDP. Such measures are also used in the context of broader discussions of the national budget and federal debt and in the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) process, described below.

SOLVENCY OF THE MEDICARE HOSPITAL INSURANCE TRUST FUND
The solvency of the Medicare Hospital Insurance trust fund, out of which Part A benefits are paid, is one way of measuring Medicare’s financial status, though because it only focuses on the status of Part A, it does not present a complete picture of program spending overall. The solvency of Medicare in this context is measured by the level of assets in the Part A trust fund. In years when annual income to the trust fund exceeds benefits spending, the asset level increases, and when annual spending exceeds income, the asset level decreases. When spending exceeds income and the assets are fully depleted, Medicare will not have sufficient funds to pay all Part A benefits.

Each year, the Medicare Trustees provide an estimate of the year when the asset level is projected to be fully depleted. The Trustees now project that the Part A trust fund will be depleted in 2028, two years earlier than was projected in 2015, attributable to lower payroll tax receipts and a slowing rate of reduction in inpatient utilization (Figure 8).


Figure 8: Solvency Projections of the Medicare Part A Trust Fund, 2005-2016

Because of slower growth in Medicare spending in recent years, the solvency of the Part A trust fund has been extended further into the future compared to projections before the ACA was passed. Part A trust fund solvency is also affected by the level of growth in the economy, which affects Medicare’s revenue from payroll tax contributions, by overall health care spending trends, and by demographic trends—of note, an increasing number of beneficiaries—especially between 2010 and 2030 when the baby boom generation reaches Medicare eligibility age—and a declining ratio of workers per beneficiary making payroll tax contributions.

Part B and Part D do not have financing challenges similar to Part A, because both are funded by beneficiary premiums and general revenues that are set annually to match expected outlays. Expected future increases in spending under Part B and Part D, however, will require increases in general revenue funding and higher premiums paid by beneficiaries.

THE INDEPENDENT PAYMENT ADVISORY BOARD
The Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), authorized by the ACA, is a new approach to controlling Medicare spending. IPAB is required to recommend Medicare spending reductions to Congress if projected spending growth exceeds specified target levels. The Board is to consist of 15 full-time members appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. To date, however, no members have been appointed, and in fact there have several attempts by Congress to repeal the Board altogether.14

IPAB is required to propose spending reductions if the 5-year average growth rate in Medicare per capita spending is projected to exceed the per capita target growth rate, based on general and medical inflation (2015-2019) or growth in the economy (2020 and beyond). If there are no Board members appointed when a proposal for spending reductions is required, the Secretary of Health and Human Services is responsible for making recommendations to achieve the required spending reductions.

Based on its most recent Medicare spending growth rate projections relative to the targets, OACT has estimated that the IPAB process will first be triggered in 2017 (Figure 9). This would initiate a three-year cycle ending with spending reductions implemented in 2019. OACT also projects that spending growth will exceed the target growth rate in 2022, 2024, and 2025. CBO has projected that Medicare spending growth will be below the target growth rate for each fiscal year through 2018, but will exceed the target growth rate in 2019, 2024, and 2026. Based on its IPAB projections, CBO estimates Medicare savings of $8 billion as a result of the IPAB process between 2019 and 2026.15


Figure 9: If the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) Process Is Triggered in 2017, What Happens Next?

The Future Outlook
While Medicare spending is on a slower upward trajectory now than in past decades, total and per capita annual growth rates appear to be edging away from their historically low levels of the past few years. This raises several questions about recent spending trends and projections for future spending growth: Can the recent slowdown in Medicare spending be sustained and can this be done without adversely affecting access to or quality of care? How are payment and delivery system reforms influencing spending levels? How will future spending be affected by Medicare’s new approaches to physician payment that will be established pursuant to the 2015 law known as MACRA?16 What steps could be taken to moderate the projected growth in Medicare spending due to the availability of new specialty drugs and medical technology?

A number of changes to Medicare have been proposed that could help to address the health care spending challenges posed by the aging of the population, including: restructuring Medicare benefits and cost sharing; eliminating “first-dollar” Medigap coverage; further increasing Medicare premiums for beneficiaries with relatively high incomes; raising the Medicare eligibility age; shifting Medicare from a defined benefit structure to a “premium support” system; and accelerating the ACA’s delivery system reforms. At the same time, changes have been proposed to improve coverage under Medicare in order to limit the financial burden of health care costs on older Americans and younger beneficiaries with disabilities, though such changes would likely require additional spending. In addition to these potential changes, which would affect future spending levels, revenue options could also be considered to help finance care for Medicare’s growing and aging population.17

The prospects for these and other proposals that would affect Medicare spending and financing are unknown, but few would question the importance of carefully deliberating ways to bolster the Medicare program for today’s beneficiaries and for the growing number of people who will depend on Medicare in the future.

 

[Wyatt earp]

A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

.

The government estimate for Medicare when it was conceived was that it would only cost $12 billion a year by 1990, the actual cost that year was $107 billion, which is inline with just about every other federal "program" ever conceived, so anybody that believes that estimate is optimistic to the point of insanity.

Not to mention that it would (once again) eliminate disincentives for over-consumption and thus completely destroy the price mechanism, just like idiotic government interference in the health insurance and student loan markets have already done.

TANSTAFL and there's no such thing as "free college" either.

It's always good to just laugh at any "estimate" the Government provides, right or left it doesn't matter. As far as health insurance goes, that ship has sailed. Any attempt to take it away now will be met with a political ferocity that will make everyone's head spin. In some shape it's here to stay. I, (I've been in the business since 2000, but it is just my opinion) think it will be a Medicare type of plan for all.

I'm aware of the virtually non-existent possibility of it (health insurance) ever going back to what it should be (a voluntary-exchange based free market) however that doesn't mean we should completely ignore the lessons that the current imbroglio has to teach us and double down on economic and financial stupidity by doing the same thing to what remains of our higher education system.

All I know is with Trumps E. O. No one has to pay the tax anymore.

 

[Windship]

I went to private schools ...you fucking ass hole.

 

[AntonToo]

Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the bill and that someone is the taxpayers of America.

I'm not interested in paying for someone's college. I'm not interested in bankrolling anyones life for them.

Free public college? Kinda of an interesting article...


Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

How much would free public community college cost?


A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundationsays that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

That's not how it works, that's not how ANY of this works.

Completely unrelated policies cannot be traded that way. Because each party's current congressmen lose politically in the process.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I went to private schools ...you fucking ass hole.

 

[Windship]

.[/QUOTE]


All I know is with Trumps E. O. No one has to pay the tax anymore.[/QUOTE]

Yes and you are so fucking stupid that you dont even understand what that means. remember....nothing is free. You know all those services you get?...remember...remember how the contracts with government are always real affordable the first contract then they go sky high. Your still going to pay you moron.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the bill and that someone is the taxpayers of America.

I'm not interested in paying for someone's college. I'm not interested in bankrolling anyones life for them.

Free public college? Kinda of an interesting article...


Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

How much would free public community college cost?


A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundationsays that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

That's not how it works, that's not how ANY of this works.

Completely unrelated policies cannot be traded that way.

How old are you 22?


That's what Reagan and tippy did all the time... How the fuck do you he think he got Star Wars


If you don't know that basics...a political thread is not for you.


.

 

[Wyatt earp]

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All I know is with Trumps E. O. No one has to pay the tax anymore.[/QUOTE]

Yes and you are so fucking stupid that you dont even understand what that means. remember....nothing is free. You know all those services you get?...remember...remember how the contracts with government are always real affordable the first contract then they go sky high. Your still going to pay you moron.[/QUOTE]

Youre drinking way to early.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the bill and that someone is the taxpayers of America.

I'm not interested in paying for someone's college. I'm not interested in bankrolling anyones life for them.

Free public college? Kinda of an interesting article...


Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

How much would free public community college cost?


A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundationsays that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

That's not how it works, that's not how ANY of this works.

Completely unrelated policies cannot be traded that way.

How old are you 22?


That's what Reagan and tippy did all the time... How the fuck do you he think he got Star Wars


If you don't know that basics...a political thread is not for you.


.

You must be a student of Obama that didn't know how to compromise.


You don't even know what the word means..


A wife "I want the house"

A husband "OK but I get the Boat"


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[hunarcy]

Free public college? Kinda of an interesting article...


Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

How much would free public community college cost?


A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundationsays that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

many developed nations have universal education for all its' citizens some of them even pay their students a basic income while they go to school in addition to free college.

1. Brazil: Brazil’s universities charge registration fees, Noack notes, but they do not require regular tuition. Many of them also offer courses in English.

2. Germany: Germany has 900 programs in English, and is eager to attract foreign students to tuition-free universities due to the country’s shortage of skilled workers.

3. Finland: Finland doesn’t have tuition fees but the government does warn foreigners that they have to cover living expenses. Imagine going to college and only worrying about room and board.



4. France: France does charge tuition – but normally around 200 dollars at public universities. A far cry from what you’d pay in the United States, even in a state school.

5. Norway: Norwegian students, including foreigners studying in the country, do not have to pay any college tuition. Be forewarned, however, of the harsh winters and high cost of living.

6. Slovenia: If Eastern Europe is more your thing, Noack notes that Slovenia has 150 English-language programs, and only charges a registration fee – no tuition.

7. Sweden: Sweden, a country which has so successfully solved so many of its social problems that there are now U.S. Sitcoms about the glories of moving there, has over 300 English-language programs. Although college there is free, cost of living may be pricey for foreigners.

7 countries where college is free

the problem isn't that it doesn't work or isn't affodable or it isn't "worth the investment" its that America is an extremely racist country and they dont want blacks Hispanics naitve americans etc to be educated in the first place they want them to be dumb as rocks and have a class of educated wealthy white people in charge of them. The best way to ensure that is too abolish public schools which is a centuries long goal of the KKK and currently fought for goal in the republican party which has virtually become the political wing of the KKK. Just as they didn't want slaves to learn to read and write they dont want black and brown people today learning to either except they can't chop off their hands anymore like they used too.

I have rarely read a larger pile of crap than the paragraph I just read. The idea that racism is fueling the move to abolish public schools is ridiculous. You may be a mindless hater, but don't expect that the rest of us will accept your viewpoint of hate.

 

[AntonToo]

Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the bill and that someone is the taxpayers of America.

I'm not interested in paying for someone's college. I'm not interested in bankrolling anyones life for them.

Free public college? Kinda of an interesting article...


Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

How much would free public community college cost?


A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundationsays that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

That's not how it works, that's not how ANY of this works.

Completely unrelated policies cannot be traded that way.

How old are you 22?


That's what Reagan and tippy did all the time... How the fuck do you he think he got Star Wars


If you don't know that basics...a political thread is not for you.

.

Star Wars??? It had little to do with people's everyday lives or ideology.

 

[Claudette]

Free public college? Kinda of an interesting article...


Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

How much would free public community college cost?


A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundationsays that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

many developed nations have universal education for all its' citizens some of them even pay their students a basic income while they go to school in addition to free college.

1. Brazil: Brazil’s universities charge registration fees, Noack notes, but they do not require regular tuition. Many of them also offer courses in English.

2. Germany: Germany has 900 programs in English, and is eager to attract foreign students to tuition-free universities due to the country’s shortage of skilled workers.

3. Finland: Finland doesn’t have tuition fees but the government does warn foreigners that they have to cover living expenses. Imagine going to college and only worrying about room and board.



4. France: France does charge tuition – but normally around 200 dollars at public universities. A far cry from what you’d pay in the United States, even in a state school.

5. Norway: Norwegian students, including foreigners studying in the country, do not have to pay any college tuition. Be forewarned, however, of the harsh winters and high cost of living.

6. Slovenia: If Eastern Europe is more your thing, Noack notes that Slovenia has 150 English-language programs, and only charges a registration fee – no tuition.

7. Sweden: Sweden, a country which has so successfully solved so many of its social problems that there are now U.S. Sitcoms about the glories of moving there, has over 300 English-language programs. Although college there is free, cost of living may be pricey for foreigners.

7 countries where college is free

the problem isn't that it doesn't work or isn't affodable or it isn't "worth the investment" its that America is an extremely racist country and they dont want blacks Hispanics naitve americans etc to be educated in the first place they want them to be dumb as rocks and have a class of educated wealthy white people in charge of them. The best way to ensure that is too abolish public schools which is a centuries long goal of the KKK and currently fought for goal in the republican party which has virtually become the political wing of the KKK. Just as they didn't want slaves to learn to read and write they dont want black and brown people today learning to either except they can't chop off their hands anymore like they used too.

I have rarely read a larger pile of crap than the paragraph I just read. The idea that racism is fueling the move to abolish public schools is ridiculous. You may be a mindless hater, but don't expect that the rest of us will accept your viewpoint of hate.

I couldn't agree more. What a load of horseshit he posted.

He's another asshole who see's racists under every bush and wouldn't know a real racist if that racist kicked him in the ass.

What a maroon.

 

[Eaglewings]

PurpleOwl, assuming he attended public school, is an example of why public education is bad in that it brainwashes people and does not educate them. In the technology age, there should be standard tests for various content and people either study and learn, or they don't. Very inexpensive and no need for a classroom.

As far as college being "the answer," it isn't even for intelligent people. But the fact is most underperforming people have very limited intellectual capacity. Putting them in classrooms simply means the classroom is dumbed down and intelligent students get robbed of any intellectual challenge as the school tries to get kids with smaller brains to perform.

Like I said , Junior college is a good way to show even the smallest brain growth and maturity.
Or save for a technically school..

I am talking about both... But mainly technical community colleges.

Technical school was not even free in the 1970's when California was on top for the best schools.
You can't go to school if your dead from a illness..lol..healthcare is more important.

 

[Doc1]

A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

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The government estimate for Medicare when it was conceived was that it would only cost $12 billion a year by 1990, the actual cost that year was $107 billion, which is inline with just about every other federal "program" ever conceived, so anybody that believes that estimate is optimistic to the point of insanity.

Not to mention that it would (once again) eliminate disincentives for over-consumption and thus completely destroy the price mechanism, just like idiotic government interference in the health insurance and student loan markets have already done.

TANSTAFL and there's no such thing as "free college" either.

It's always good to just laugh at any "estimate" the Government provides, right or left it doesn't matter. As far as health insurance goes, that ship has sailed. Any attempt to take it away now will be met with a political ferocity that will make everyone's head spin. In some shape it's here to stay. I, (I've been in the business since 2000, but it is just my opinion) think it will be a Medicare type of plan for all.

That ship already sailed
Trumps first E. O. Was the nail in Obama cares coffin..

We'll see.

 

[AntonToo]

You must be a student of Obama that didn't know how to compromise.
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Please STFU, as you are clearly clueless.

Obamacare was a REPUBLICAN PLAN, spawned by Heritage foundation as alternative to Clinton's single payer push and blueprinted ROMNEYCARE in Massachusetts, which was touted as big time conservative victory and a model for the rest of the country by the likes of Gingrich....and then Obama signed up for it.

Democrats don't know how to compromise? You are out of your fucking mind.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the bill and that someone is the taxpayers of America.

I'm not interested in paying for someone's college. I'm not interested in bankrolling anyones life for them.

Free public college? Kinda of an interesting article...


Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

How much would free public community college cost?


A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundationsays that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

That's not how it works, that's not how ANY of this works.

Completely unrelated policies cannot be traded that way.

How old are you 22?


That's what Reagan and tippy did all the time... How the fuck do you he think he got Star Wars


If you don't know that basics...a political thread is not for you.

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Star Wars??? It had little to do with people's everyday lives or ideology.

Reagan traded tipsy higher taxes to get Star Wars..

You really didn't know this do you?


That's how compromise works in politics.