what is a liberal and which historical leaders were liberals?

[Redfish]

I would like to hear from both sides on this.

My definition of a modern day liberal is someone that wants a big intrusive controlling government, someone who wants wealth and income redistribution, someone who wants abortion on demand but does not want the 2nd amendment upheld, someone who wants to punish success and reward failure, someone who is comfortable being a slave to the government and wants an active thought and speech police.

 

[SniperFire]

Today's 'Liberal' is more in line with the 20th century progressive totalitarians.

And that always ends ugly.

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[eflatminor]

"Liberal" was originally what we call libertarian today. The progressives obfuscated the term decades ago.

 

[uscitizen]

Ahh modern day definitions do not apply to pre modern day definitions of liberals and conservatives.

It was very liberal and progeressive to want to break away from england. It was conservative to resist that.
Just an example of how true liberals and conservatives are supposed to be.
Both sides are now pretty much corporatists.

 

[Redfish]

Today's 'Liberal' is more in line with the 20th century progressive totalitarians.

And that always ends ugly.

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this is going to be fun-----hitler, marx, and obama. liberal heads are imploding.

 

[Billo_Really]

Did you say, "historical" or "hysterical" leader?

 

[Redfish]

"Liberal" was originally what we call libertarian today. The progressives obfuscated the term decades ago.

OK, but lets stick to today and what the term means now. the history lesson was accurate, but lets talk about what they are today.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I would like to hear from both sides on this.

My definition of a modern day liberal is someone that wants a big intrusive controlling government, someone who wants wealth and income redistribution, someone who wants abortion on demand but does not want the 2nd amendment upheld, someone who wants to punish success and reward failure, someone who is comfortable being a slave to the government and wants an active thought and speech police.

Your definition is not accurate.

 

[eflatminor]

"Liberal" was originally what we call libertarian today. The progressives obfuscated the term decades ago.

OK, but lets stick to today and what the term means now. the history lesson was accurate, but lets talk about what they are today.

Central planners that are just SURE they know what's best for everyone else.

 

[Redfish]

"Liberal" was originally what we call libertarian today. The progressives obfuscated the term decades ago.

OK, but lets stick to today and what the term means now. the history lesson was accurate, but lets talk about what they are today.

Central planners that are just SURE they know what's best for everyone else.

right, you get the gold star..

liberal leaders from history: lets see-------

marx, lenin, mao, castro, chavez, for sure

hitler---more of an angry racist dictator but liberal in wanting to destroy wealth

 

[AmyNation]

Of course, every major dictator in history was a liberal. How very revisionist of you.

 

[Seawytch]

I would like to hear from both sides on this.

My definition of a modern day liberal is someone that wants a big intrusive controlling government, someone who wants wealth and income redistribution, someone who wants abortion on demand but does not want the 2nd amendment upheld, someone who wants to punish success and reward failure, someone who is comfortable being a slave to the government and wants an active thought and speech police.

I read the title and thought,maybe, you wanted a serious answer. Then I read the drivel you posted and was dissuaded of that notion.

 

[Wolfsister77]

I would like to hear from both sides on this.

My definition of a modern day liberal is someone that wants a big intrusive controlling government, someone who wants wealth and income redistribution, someone who wants abortion on demand but does not want the 2nd amendment upheld, someone who wants to punish success and reward failure, someone who is comfortable being a slave to the government and wants an active thought and speech police.

Yep, this is YOUR definiton which does not have any basis in reality. I know of many liberals who are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment and I know some who are pro choice. I know of no one that wants abortion on demand or wants to punish success or reward failure. I'm surprised you didn't add what you said in your intro thread that they just want to live on Government handouts or get more people onto welfare which is also completely untrue. Do some research.

 

[Wolfsister77]

OK, but lets stick to today and what the term means now. the history lesson was accurate, but lets talk about what they are today.

Central planners that are just SURE they know what's best for everyone else.

right, you get the gold star..

liberal leaders from history: lets see-------

marx, lenin, mao, castro, chavez, for sure

hitler---more of an angry racist dictator but liberal in wanting to destroy wealth

You are wrong on all counts but keep trying. Maybe you'll get one eventually. How are these people ALL Liberals again?

 

[Seawytch]

Central planners that are just SURE they know what's best for everyone else.

right, you get the gold star..

liberal leaders from history: lets see-------

marx, lenin, mao, castro, chavez, for sure

hitler---more of an angry racist dictator but liberal in wanting to destroy wealth

You are wrong on all counts but keep trying. Maybe you'll get one eventually. How are these people ALL Liberals again?

Hitler built the Autobahn.

 

[there4eyeM]

A lot of banter from people who obviously have not explored the various meanings of 'liberal'.

 

[francoHFW]

Brainwashed Pub dupes are just amazing. Liberal leaders? Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, Carter, Obama, Jefferson, Rousseau, Voltaire. NOT fascists, communists, dictators. Ferchrissake Rush/Becketc bots, read something.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Brainwashed Pub dupes are just amazing. Liberal leaders? Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, Carter, Obama, Jefferson, Rousseau, Voltaire. NOT fascists, communists, dictators. Ferchrissake Rush/Becketc bots, read something.

so are you brainwashed Dem Dupes......just sayin Frankie....

 

[whitehall]

The modern democrat party has drifted so far to the socialist left that the term "liberal" doesn't apply anymore. JFK was a liberal. Can you imagine president Hussein saying "ask not what your Country can do for you".

 

[uscitizen]

"Liberal" was originally what we call libertarian today. The progressives obfuscated the term decades ago.

OK, but lets stick to today and what the term means now. the history lesson was accurate, but lets talk about what they are today.

Butt since your op specified "historical leaders" and you want to apply current definitions the entire premise is invalid.