What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[Lesh]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

 

[Doc1]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

Of course he does. People who want to die do, people who want attention "try".

 

[Daryl Hunt]

1% of all murder occurs in mass shootings even if "most of them" were suicides as Lesh claims we are talking about less than 1% of mass shooters being suicidal

So you think mass shooting simply isn't something we should ever worry about?

Newsflash...parents who love their kids think about mass shootings every time they send their kids off to school..or drop them off at a movie or the mall...

------------------------------------- yeah , i don't worry about it and i had widdle kids and Grandkids . Zhit happens and the FEW school or mass shootings is the price we American pay for the Freedom to own guns . Same thing with cars and car deaths Lesh .

You go ahead and pay the price. The rest of us have decided the price is too high so we are going things about it. While we can't stop them completely, we can keep the body count down.

 

[pismoe]

yeah , someone wants to shoot themselves in the head is a personal decision Lesh . Family might care but outsiders don't care for the most part . How often do you get all emotional over deaths in car accidents and i think that there are over 33 thousand car accidents a year . And even today , are you crying over the poor people that were and are being destroyed by some forest fires in Paradise Lesh ??

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

Of course he does. People who want to die do, people who want attention "try".

First of all, Men that are dying to succeed will use a gun first if one is available. All other attempts, no matter how serious they are, usually end in someone coming along and stopping it. Women won't normally elect to use a knife or a gun. Too messy. So most of them, no matter how serious, are thwarted by other people.

There are some that will be successful with methods other than guns but those are far and few between. Gun Suicides by men are going to be the highest in number and success.

 

[Doc1]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

Of course he does. People who want to die do, people who want attention "try".

First of all, Men that are dying to succeed will use a gun first if one is available. All other attempts, no matter how serious they are, usually end in someone coming along and stopping it. Women won't normally elect to use a knife or a gun. Too messy. So most of them, no matter how serious, are thwarted by other people.

There are some that will be successful with methods other than guns but those are far and few between. Gun Suicides by men are going to be the highest in number and success.

So what. Taking my guns away will not change that.
Take guns away and the other devices will begin to work.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Let's start out with......NHs capital population is only 109K and it's the largest town/city in the state. There are a ton of small towns, really small towns that make up NH. Pretty much, the whole state is considered Rural. So your Capital city is the only one with enough population where it would require very many gun regulations. And you have noted that it has pockets of crime around the capital. Hmm, where I live, we have about the same population and we are surrounded by a couple of hundred miles of rural in any direction. We have a few pockets of crime. And our total murder rate is right around 7.

Now on for the fun. Let's compare the violent crime since there really isn't an figures I can find that just covers violent crime by gun only. Using 2017, Ca had about 450 violent crimes. NH has 199. But when you take into the equation the population, NH has almost 50 times the violent crimes than CA does per capita. You are more likely to be murdered in NH than CA.

You gun crazies just keep making it up as you go. No wonder more and more states are adopting some forms of Firearms Regulations or outright banning.

Really? California had "about" 450 violent crimes in 2017. You're joking, right?

Violent Crimes 2015
State . . . . . . .Population . . . . Violent Crimes . . . .Violent Crimes Per 10,000
California . . . 39,144,818 . . . . . .166,883 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .43

New Jersey . . .8,958,013 . . . . . . .22,879 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .26

Violent Crime statistics by state | Interactive Crime Map 2017

You did it again. You cherry picked the data. California is about average per capita. But if you look at the highest per capita, all are from Solid Red States except for NM who is much higher than CA. let's take a look, using your own cite, the worst states per capita. This is in no particular order. Just the worst. The Top 10 of the most dangerous places to live. All of these do have one thing in common. They have the most lax gun regulations than the other states. These also are all on another list. The Top 10 for the states where it's easiest to get a gun. Makes your BS about Firearms Regulations not working look pretty much like the lie it is.

Nevada
New Mexico
Missouri
Arkansas
Louisiana
Tennessee
Alabama
South Carolina
Delaware
Alaska

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

Of course he does. People who want to die do, people who want attention "try".

First of all, Men that are dying to succeed will use a gun first if one is available. All other attempts, no matter how serious they are, usually end in someone coming along and stopping it. Women won't normally elect to use a knife or a gun. Too messy. So most of them, no matter how serious, are thwarted by other people.

There are some that will be successful with methods other than guns but those are far and few between. Gun Suicides by men are going to be the highest in number and success.

A Suicide Net Is Quietly Being Added to the Golden Gate Bridge. Here's Why It's So Controversial

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

I do know what I'm talking about because I looked into it after my brother killed himself with a gun years ago. In fact the priest that presided over the ceremonies was a licensed psychiatrist.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

Of course he does. People who want to die do, people who want attention "try".

First of all, Men that are dying to succeed will use a gun first if one is available. All other attempts, no matter how serious they are, usually end in someone coming along and stopping it. Women won't normally elect to use a knife or a gun. Too messy. So most of them, no matter how serious, are thwarted by other people.

There are some that will be successful with methods other than guns but those are far and few between. Gun Suicides by men are going to be the highest in number and success.

A Suicide Net Is Quietly Being Added to the Golden Gate Bridge. Here's Why It's So Controversial

I can see, from your own link, that it's more about money than anything else. People that jump off that bridge rarely vote in the next election. It's a backward way of creating vacancies in jobs, no insurance payouts. Not bodies to bury, I could go on but most of these are part of the reason that some don't want the suicides to cease or even slow down.

 

[Markle]

The view of the NRA is....Even if it costs the lives of every man, woman, and child in the US....EVERYONE should have the right to bear arms. trump even signed an order to assure the mentally ill can acquire guns.

GUNS GUNS GUNS!

Cute try.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A person who wants to kill themselves will find a way. The people who attempt suicide don't want to kill themselves, they are just looking for help using sympathy.

You can remove every gun in the country, and it won't change our suicide rate.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

Of course he does. People who want to die do, people who want attention "try".

First of all, Men that are dying to succeed will use a gun first if one is available. All other attempts, no matter how serious they are, usually end in someone coming along and stopping it. Women won't normally elect to use a knife or a gun. Too messy. So most of them, no matter how serious, are thwarted by other people.

There are some that will be successful with methods other than guns but those are far and few between. Gun Suicides by men are going to be the highest in number and success.

A Suicide Net Is Quietly Being Added to the Golden Gate Bridge. Here's Why It's So Controversial

I can see, from your own link, that it's more about money than anything else. People that jump off that bridge rarely vote in the next election. It's a backward way of creating vacancies in jobs, no insurance payouts. Not bodies to bury, I could go on but most of these are part of the reason that some don't want the suicides to cease or even slow down.

It's a waste of money because the people who would have otherwise jump off the bridge will just find another way. That's the point.

It's not hard to kill yourself without a gun. My cousin went out to see a movie, when she got home, her husband was in the garage with the door closed and the car running. He waited until he knew nobody would be around. Gun ownership is a little more difficult in Canada.

 

[Markle]

What the fuck do you even think you're talking about?

You mention one state that has lax gun regs and use it to make your point...and then ignore another that has lax gun regs and has a high murder rate. You're cherry picking your data.

And then you ignore the fact that TEXAS has the exact same murder rate as California

And the fact that 25 other states with lax gun regs have higher murder rates.than CA.

You're a joke

Please show us your reliable source and link. Thank you!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

FACT CHECK: Did President Trump Revoke Gun Background Checks for Mentally Ill People?

Educate your sorry self....

idiot why don't you post the text of the Obama order he rescinded?

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

This was nothing but a huge government overstep

The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

Why in the HELL would you want people getting treatment for mental illness to have guns????

The NRA doesn't care....they just lust for guns....and they have the perfect mindless stooge in the WH....

They don't lust for guns. They lust for existance. And in order for them to exist, they need sponsors. Most of the money coming is from Sponsors. The Dues paying Members think their dues of 25 bucks a year means something. It does. It means that those dues payers are about the best PR machine ever assembled. But the real reason is, the bulk of the money for them to operate like they have in the past is from Sponsors like Colt, SW, Ruger, etc.. The NRA can't get into politics but they have created a subwing that can and does take hefty Corporate Money in. This is the one gives huge "Donations" to the Political Coffers and hires the lawyers to sue any state or city or.... that may diminish the "Sponsors" in any way. The NRA is a PR agency working for people that sell guns. It's just business. I can think of any number of PR firms that operate exactly the same way for a mulitude of non firearm products. The only real difference is, the normal PR firm is NOT considered a 501(c)(3) non profit like the NRA is. The PR firm has to announce where there money to do the PR and such comes from. The NRA doesn't. But, rest assured, much of it comes from the Arms manufacturers.

The NRA contributes about a million dollars every other year to the Republicans. That's an average of about 600K per year. That's hardly any major buying power at all.

National Rifle Assn: Total Contributions | OpenSecrets

In 2013, the invested over 3 million in law suits over the new common sense firearms regulations. They lost all the suits. Right after that, they invest another 3 million that led to a recall on 3 Democratic State Congress critters. Two weathered the recall. One was defeated in the special election and replaced by a Rep. In 2015, that Rep was replaced by a Dem. Meanwhile, the State had to match them dollar for dollar for the suit.; That ws over 6 million spent defending the States Rights and the NRA ended up with nothing for it's efforts. BTW, even with that Rep temporarily replacing the Dem, the house was still securely Democrat. The Republicans got rewarded in 2018 when the Dems took over both the House, Senate and even the Governor. There were also a lot of other state elected officials that went blue. The state turned from medium purple to Deep Blue.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you don't give a shit

Of course he does. People who want to die do, people who want attention "try".

First of all, Men that are dying to succeed will use a gun first if one is available. All other attempts, no matter how serious they are, usually end in someone coming along and stopping it. Women won't normally elect to use a knife or a gun. Too messy. So most of them, no matter how serious, are thwarted by other people.

There are some that will be successful with methods other than guns but those are far and few between. Gun Suicides by men are going to be the highest in number and success.

A Suicide Net Is Quietly Being Added to the Golden Gate Bridge. Here's Why It's So Controversial

I can see, from your own link, that it's more about money than anything else. People that jump off that bridge rarely vote in the next election. It's a backward way of creating vacancies in jobs, no insurance payouts. Not bodies to bury, I could go on but most of these are part of the reason that some don't want the suicides to cease or even slow down.

It's a waste of money because the people who would have otherwise jump off the bridge will just find another way. That's the point.

It's not hard to kill yourself without a gun. My cousin went out to see a movie, when she got home, her husband was in the garage with the door closed and the car running. He waited until he knew nobody would be around. Gun ownership is a little more difficult in Canada.

There was more than an even chance that someone would have come home early and discovered the attempt and stopped it just by opening the Garage door. Your cousin just ran out of time, simple as that. The method you are describing is rarely used but it depends on being totally undisturbed for an extended amount of time. Too many try this and fail. Not because they weren't serious about it, luck just went against them and someone discovered it in time. There is no saving when you stick the barrel in an upward angle in your mouth and pull the trigger.

 

[Markle]

Suicide is not relevant because suicide is a choice not a crime.

Bullshit.

It's a dead person...almost 100% of the time when a gun is used...not so when one isn't.

And you ignore the fact that suicide is an aggressive act. Often times suicides take other people with them

In fact most mass shootings are actually suicides

So yea...suicides are part of the gun discussion

You must have lost the point of this thread by a huge margin. Suicide has nothing, whatsoever, to do with this thread.

Why?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

idiot why don't you post the text of the Obama order he rescinded?

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

This was nothing but a huge government overstep

The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

Why in the HELL would you want people getting treatment for mental illness to have guns????

The NRA doesn't care....they just lust for guns....and they have the perfect mindless stooge in the WH....

They don't lust for guns. They lust for existance. And in order for them to exist, they need sponsors. Most of the money coming is from Sponsors. The Dues paying Members think their dues of 25 bucks a year means something. It does. It means that those dues payers are about the best PR machine ever assembled. But the real reason is, the bulk of the money for them to operate like they have in the past is from Sponsors like Colt, SW, Ruger, etc.. The NRA can't get into politics but they have created a subwing that can and does take hefty Corporate Money in. This is the one gives huge "Donations" to the Political Coffers and hires the lawyers to sue any state or city or.... that may diminish the "Sponsors" in any way. The NRA is a PR agency working for people that sell guns. It's just business. I can think of any number of PR firms that operate exactly the same way for a mulitude of non firearm products. The only real difference is, the normal PR firm is NOT considered a 501(c)(3) non profit like the NRA is. The PR firm has to announce where there money to do the PR and such comes from. The NRA doesn't. But, rest assured, much of it comes from the Arms manufacturers.

The NRA contributes about a million dollars every other year to the Republicans. That's an average of about 600K per year. That's hardly any major buying power at all.

National Rifle Assn: Total Contributions | OpenSecrets

In 2013, the invested over 3 million in law suits over the new common sense firearms regulations. They lost all the suits. Right after that, they invest another 3 million that led to a recall on 3 Democratic State Congress critters. Two weathered the recall. One was defeated in the special election and replaced by a Rep. In 2015, that Rep was replaced by a Dem. Meanwhile, the State had to match them dollar for dollar for the suit.; That ws over 6 million spent defending the States Rights and the NRA ended up with nothing for it's efforts. BTW, even with that Rep temporarily replacing the Dem, the house was still securely Democrat. The Republicans got rewarded in 2018 when the Dems took over both the House, Senate and even the Governor. There were also a lot of other state elected officials that went blue. The state turned from medium purple to Deep Blue.

It's a pendulum. It swings back and forth.

Hillary Clinton raised over one billion dollars for her last presidential campaign. The NRA is no different than any other group; no different than Soros, Gates, no different than the unions or trial lawyers that contribute to the Dem party or candidates.

Do you know why businesses are able to get away with drug testing employees, and why most states adopted the national breathalyzer limits? That's right, insurance companies.

So the NRA is hardly unique. They are supported by members who want to see them advocate for more gun rights--not less.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

You need to give the "thoughts and prayers" strategy more time.

Thoughts and prayers built this country..oh yeah..and guns, too.

 

[Markle]

Poverty absolutely affects gun violence

But so does the availability OF guns

You need to stop cherry picking and explain the murder rate in Alaska for instance

Strange how poverty did not radically raise the crime rate during the Great Depression.

As for Alaska. If you had committed a serious crime or several crimes and you REALLY wanted to drop off the grid. Where would be a great place to go? Another reason for violence in Alaska is the fact that North of the Arctic Circle it is dark, 24 hours a day for 67 days in the winter and it is never dark for about 80 days in the Summer. Such darkness, cold and being shut in has major psychological effects. In more Southern cities, the darkness and light amount to about 20 hours per day.

Add THAT to the never ending list of shit you got wrong

https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/crime-in-the-great-depression

Crime rates spikes at the beginning of the Depression and fell off as it subsided.

It was also the era of gangsters and the rise of the Mafia

Experts: Bad Economies Don't Cause Crime Waves

 

[Markle]

Hey dumbfuk. You're claiming that I am claiming that guns cause suicides ( If what you say is true) . I am NOT. I'm saying that guns make suicides far more FINAL and are the root of most mass shootings.

Why then are there so many countries with higher suicide rates?