What is White Supremacy?

[Porter Rockwell]

I just find your attempts to talk down to me repulsive. You said it all when you said:

"I have not read any further than your first statement above..."

You can't debate anything when you're too lazy or ignorant to read. Don't leave us much to converse about, does it?

It's very disengenious on your part to truncate my statement which makes it appear to read as something other than what I said

I have not read any further than your first statement above BECAUSE that [statement] needed to be addressed FIRST and foremost. I'm (sic) address the rest of your comment if necessary in a separate post. (which I did)
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So which one of us was too "lazy or ignorant" to read the other's comments? Here's where I addressed the rest of your post as promised

In terms of raw numbers, the white race is the least (numerically) of the people in the United States. I've said nothing different. The nonwhites outnumber the whites and a subtle form of genocide is being employed

My pointing out the fact that the United States is not a homogenous society is not agreement that non-whites outnumber whites because this simply is not true and I have no idea why you believe it is. The numbers below are updated as of September 2018 and in terms of raw numbers as well as percentages whites far outnumber everyone else:

https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Race-and-Ethnicity

... a subtle form of genocide is being employed. There is an assault on the family unit by the masses (as you said mostly non-white.) .

I never said anything of the kind.

There is the drugging of America as the system itself gets whites hooked on drugs and destroys lives forever... again disproportionately white.

Are you seriously alleging that black doctors are responsible for the alleged disproportionate number of white drug addicts?

The media attacks whites all day long with tv shows that glorify inter-racial marriages, gay marriage, and whites in heterosexual relationships are portrayed like backward rednecks.

And black people are responsible for this how?

I stand against the 14th Amendment and you try to denigrate me. Well segregation was a reality too until Rosa Parks refused to obey a law she believed to be unconstitutional - as did others who felt the same way. Yet you would deny me that luxury. You would shit on my constitutional Rights and deny them because under that veil of reason and tolerance is just another smooth talking bigot with a hatred of anyone that dares to challenge the status quo.

Okay so now we're getting to the real issue.

The status quo is equal rights per the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I advised you all to work on whatever process there is that would allow you to get it removed if you feel that strongly about it. More importantly, I have not, nor do I have the capability to deny you any of your rights under the U.S. Constitution. You stating that you are standing against the 14th amendment is different that you stating unequivocally that it's invalid or was never ratified ergo not a valid amendment and therefore not a part of the U.S. Constitution.

Me pointing that out this fact is not me denigrating you but I have to tell you that your comparison to Rosa Parks is not on point and it has nothing to do with race per se. Rosa Parks exercised her right to protest an unjust law, a law that was used to deny people of their "equal" rights. You want to exercise your right to attempt to recind an amendment that would effectively put those laws which denied equal rights to others back into place. Rosa Parks fought to help people, you're fighting to harm people so why would you expect anything other than the pushback you're getting from the very people you're trying to harm if you are successful? And then you call us hateful for pushing back against what you're trying to do, all while denying that you're coming from a position of white supremacy.

Again that's not me denigrating you or being hateful, it's me dismantling your argument.

I quoted what you said. I will know whether or not you're reading what I said after you consider my reply about the 14th Amendment. You can tell everyone from where you get your rights (or Rights) if you're reading the posts. Then you can tell us how it feels to be an equal slave.

 

[IM2]

No, you just don't like what I'm conveying. There is no hatred involved, let alone dishonestly. As far as ignorance, I readily admit that I am ignorant of many subjects, many of which simply because I have no interests in them. However when it comes to the topic of who did what based on their beliefe in the superiority/inferiority of themselves and others, due to race, I found it necessary to educate myself in order to be able to counter the lies, deceit and misconceptions (to be generous) of white racists who are still attempting to wreck havoc on the lives of non-whites, but particularly those people of African descent.

I have not read any further than your first statement above because that needed to be addressed first and foremost. I'm address the rest of your comment if necessary in a separate post.

And for the record, I find it interesting that you believe me to being trying to appear as an intellectual. I am smart or intelligent if you prefer, not simply because I believe myself to be (I do, because that's what our teachers have told us getting good grades means) but because others have certified me to be. Understand? Unlike protectionist for example, who believes he's better, smarter, more intelligent than all of the African Americans on this board but has shown nothing to support his beliefs apparently other than he's not African American.

Let me make this short for you. These are YOUR words:

"I have not read any further than your first statement above..."

What you seek is bias confirmation that validates your own views. Everything else is racist. Until you can argue my points better than I can, you are ignorant. I can argue your points all day long and never miss a beat of the standard canard. It's been forced fed down me for a number of decades.

Nobody needs to waste valuable time trying to master an invalid argument. You're a dumb ass buddy and not reading your drivel is not about confirmation bias. Whoever you think this country was founded for has been changed by the legal process of amending the constitution. The white man was allowed to stay here because the indigenous people here did not believe that anybody had the right to own the land. And their belief makes sense because we only live for a period of time but the land remains when we are gone. It takes 2/3'rds of the states to ratify an amendment, and since the south had decided to form it's own country, wage war and lost, the winning side had every right to impose rules on the seceding states in order to allow them to rejoin the union. So it's like this, running your mouth on the internet with this bogus garbage does nothing. Take your case to the nation. You claim to be Mr. Big time so gather up the other radicalized scrubs and organize a national movement to rescind the 14th Amendment and see what you get. They shut trump up about ending the 14th Amendment and he's the president. You will be sent back to the survivalist compound too.

The 14th amendment, as it is treated, is unconstitutional.
It would be constitutional, IF it were treated as Jacob Howard said it was to be, but 20th century liberal loons twisted it out of it's intended design, to suit their purposes of increasing their power, and Democrats, desperate for votes now continue the wreckage.

How can it be unconstitutional when it's part of the U.S. Constitution?
Which part of the 14th amendment are you taking exception to, and how is it negatively impacting your life?

Just because the 14th Amendment is in the Constitution does not mean it passed constitutional muster. Government has the power to declare things legal, but they do not always have the authority.

Normally your question here would be off topic; however, if nullified, the 14th Amendment would have far reaching racial implications that would have to be dealt with by applying other legal doctrines and case law. The links I provide show that the 14th Amendment is illegal because the process was not followed that allows an amendment to become law.

PRIOR to the 14th Amendment becoming law, the people had unalienable Rights. The courts determined that those Rights were inherent, God given, natural, absolute, above the law, and not subject to alienation. Legal dictionaries defined the word unalienable as not subject to alienation. The government could not take those Rights. Period. End of story. In a famous gun control case, the United States Supreme Court ruled in one of their first rulings:

"The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876)

In other words, the Constitution does not grant Rights; it merely guarantees them. Unalienable Rights predate the Constitution. But the United States Supreme Court illegally legislated from the bench and created another branch of law to circumvent the absolute nature of unalienable Rights. My links prove, unequivocally, that the 14th Amendment unequivocally created two classes of citizenship: Preamble Citizens and 14th Amendment citizens.

Fourteenth Amendment citizens are only guaranteed privileges and immunities. We sometimes refer to these as "rights," but they are not unalienable Rights. "Rights" are merely grants by the government. Unalienable Rights are the codification of that part of the Declaration of Independence which reads:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-"

In order to circumvent the law, the United States Supreme Court began using a synonym for unalienable. It is inalienable. Then the United States Supreme Court defined the word inalienable this way:

(Inalienable) Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

Notice that unalienable Rights cannot be aliened. Inalienable "Rights" all of a sudden could be aliened if you consented. This changed the origin of the Right. You cannot forfeit an unalienable Right (for example, you do not have a Right to kill yourself. The Right to Life was given by a Creator (your God, whomever you deem that to be.) The government dropped the word unalienable from its legal lexicon (it's no longer a word in Black's Law Dictionary despite that the word unalienable appears in the official version of the Declaration of Independence.) The government laid claim to being the grantor of all your "rights." How did that impact my life?

The government gets to interfere in my religion, telling me what I can and cannot believe, taxing my beliefs according to the government's acceptance of my tenets of faith.

The government has determined the value of my life and how I'm allowed to defend it, while, at the same time telling me it's my responsibility to defend my individual life and the cops only protect society as a whole.

When the National ID / REAL ID Act was passed, it mandated the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" and the government now claims I'm their property (a slave) and they monitor my every movement 24 / 7 / 365, either approving or disapproving of my every move within this country. AND they subject us to the unconstitutional income tax (a plank from the Communist Manifesto) in order to maintain control. The government likes to call this the equal protection of the laws (14th Amendment language.)

I'd continue on, but posts need to have a limit. I've already exceeded mine, but will give you more examples if those are not good enough.

Shut up and start working on that national referendum to repeal the 14th amendment.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Let me make this short for you. These are YOUR words:

"I have not read any further than your first statement above..."

What you seek is bias confirmation that validates your own views. Everything else is racist. Until you can argue my points better than I can, you are ignorant. I can argue your points all day long and never miss a beat of the standard canard. It's been forced fed down me for a number of decades.

Nobody needs to waste valuable time trying to master an invalid argument. You're a dumb ass buddy and not reading your drivel is not about confirmation bias. Whoever you think this country was founded for has been changed by the legal process of amending the constitution. The white man was allowed to stay here because the indigenous people here did not believe that anybody had the right to own the land. And their belief makes sense because we only live for a period of time but the land remains when we are gone. It takes 2/3'rds of the states to ratify an amendment, and since the south had decided to form it's own country, wage war and lost, the winning side had every right to impose rules on the seceding states in order to allow them to rejoin the union. So it's like this, running your mouth on the internet with this bogus garbage does nothing. Take your case to the nation. You claim to be Mr. Big time so gather up the other radicalized scrubs and organize a national movement to rescind the 14th Amendment and see what you get. They shut trump up about ending the 14th Amendment and he's the president. You will be sent back to the survivalist compound too.

The 14th amendment, as it is treated, is unconstitutional.
It would be constitutional, IF it were treated as Jacob Howard said it was to be, but 20th century liberal loons twisted it out of it's intended design, to suit their purposes of increasing their power, and Democrats, desperate for votes now continue the wreckage.

How can it be unconstitutional when it's part of the U.S. Constitution?
Which part of the 14th amendment are you taking exception to, and how is it negatively impacting your life?

Just because the 14th Amendment is in the Constitution does not mean it passed constitutional muster. Government has the power to declare things legal, but they do not always have the authority.

Normally your question here would be off topic; however, if nullified, the 14th Amendment would have far reaching racial implications that would have to be dealt with by applying other legal doctrines and case law. The links I provide show that the 14th Amendment is illegal because the process was not followed that allows an amendment to become law.

PRIOR to the 14th Amendment becoming law, the people had unalienable Rights. The courts determined that those Rights were inherent, God given, natural, absolute, above the law, and not subject to alienation. Legal dictionaries defined the word unalienable as not subject to alienation. The government could not take those Rights. Period. End of story. In a famous gun control case, the United States Supreme Court ruled in one of their first rulings:

"The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876)

In other words, the Constitution does not grant Rights; it merely guarantees them. Unalienable Rights predate the Constitution. But the United States Supreme Court illegally legislated from the bench and created another branch of law to circumvent the absolute nature of unalienable Rights. My links prove, unequivocally, that the 14th Amendment unequivocally created two classes of citizenship: Preamble Citizens and 14th Amendment citizens.

Fourteenth Amendment citizens are only guaranteed privileges and immunities. We sometimes refer to these as "rights," but they are not unalienable Rights. "Rights" are merely grants by the government. Unalienable Rights are the codification of that part of the Declaration of Independence which reads:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-"

In order to circumvent the law, the United States Supreme Court began using a synonym for unalienable. It is inalienable. Then the United States Supreme Court defined the word inalienable this way:

(Inalienable) Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

Notice that unalienable Rights cannot be aliened. Inalienable "Rights" all of a sudden could be aliened if you consented. This changed the origin of the Right. You cannot forfeit an unalienable Right (for example, you do not have a Right to kill yourself. The Right to Life was given by a Creator (your God, whomever you deem that to be.) The government dropped the word unalienable from its legal lexicon (it's no longer a word in Black's Law Dictionary despite that the word unalienable appears in the official version of the Declaration of Independence.) The government laid claim to being the grantor of all your "rights." How did that impact my life?

The government gets to interfere in my religion, telling me what I can and cannot believe, taxing my beliefs according to the government's acceptance of my tenets of faith.

The government has determined the value of my life and how I'm allowed to defend it, while, at the same time telling me it's my responsibility to defend my individual life and the cops only protect society as a whole.

When the National ID / REAL ID Act was passed, it mandated the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" and the government now claims I'm their property (a slave) and they monitor my every movement 24 / 7 / 365, either approving or disapproving of my every move within this country. AND they subject us to the unconstitutional income tax (a plank from the Communist Manifesto) in order to maintain control. The government likes to call this the equal protection of the laws (14th Amendment language.)

I'd continue on, but posts need to have a limit. I've already exceeded mine, but will give you more examples if those are not good enough.

Shut up and start working on that national referendum to repeal the 14th amendment.

I don't need to. Remove yourself from federal jurisdiction and quit being a slave. Oh, that's right. As long as some of the players have the right hue of skin color, you can accept being a slave.

 

[protectionist]

My math is fine. Maybe you could get a beads counter to help you.

Did you mean a bean counter?

What the hell is wrong with you that you can't even admit that you made a mathematical error? No, your math is not fine, it's off by around 15 years. So that either makes you stupid or dishonest or both. Which is it?

None of my numbers are wrong.

Your numbers are made up bullshit. You are a disingenuous liar.

You like to throw the word "proof" around. OK. I'll follow suit. Show a shred of proof that any of my numbers are wrong. G'wan. Do it.

You've been asked for "proof" when you have posted outright lies, which is on a regular basis. And as expected, your only "proof" has been to insist that "what you say" is fact.

Your belief that ANYONE who is black that has lived between 1961 and 2020, has benefitted from AA is a perfect example of the kind of trailer trash stupidity and ignorance that still resides in the minds of the bottom rung of society.

The world will be a better place when you are no longer here.

I don't remember saying that "ANYONE" who's lived between 1961 and 2020 has benefitted from AA.

In any case, your acceptance of AA, and refusal to acknowledge it's victimization, is an example of the kind of selfish, bottom feeding that still resides in the minds of the bottom rung of society (if you can even be considered part of US society at all).

The world will be a better place when racists like you are no longer here.

 

[protectionist]

I have been attacked by people that had dark melialin levels in their skin, no so much ones that had lighter melanin levels Lets talk reparation for slavery. How does that work? Is that even a thing?

I've been attack by whites not so much by blacks. You have no point. The DOJ shows that most crimes happen between people of the same race which disqualifies any anecdotal situations. You will soon learn why reparations aren't just for slavery.

That's right. Reparations aren't just for slavery. They must be paid to whites for AA denial. To be paid by you, and other perpetrators.

 

[protectionist]

Lets go into that quicksand of reparations, for slavery.. because that is really where this is going. Milk a yak if you buy this con job.....

You all are soon to get your white asses embarrassed on this matter. I would suggest you stay on topic.

She IS on topic - Black Supremacy.

 

[protectionist]

You try to appear as if you are an intellectual, but with each new posting you show that there is a layer of dishonesty, ignorance, and hatred that is just under the surface.

No, you just don't like what I'm conveying. There is no hatred involved, let alone dishonestly. As far as ignorance, I readily admit that I am ignorant of many subjects, many of which simply because I have no interests in them. However when it comes to the topic of who did what based on their beliefe in the superiority/inferiority of themselves and others, due to race, I found it necessary to educate myself in order to be able to counter the lies, deceit and misconceptions (to be generous) of white racists who are still attempting to wreck havoc on the lives of non-whites, but particularly those people of African descent.

I have not read any further than your first statement above because that needed to be addressed first and foremost. I'm address the rest of your comment if necessary in a separate post.

And for the record, I find it interesting that you believe me to being trying to appear as an intellectual. I am smart or intelligent if you prefer, not simply because I believe myself to be (I do, because that's what our teachers have told us getting good grades means) but because others have certified me to be. Understand? Unlike protectionist for example, who believes he's better, smarter, more intelligent than all of the African Americans on this board but has shown nothing to support his beliefs apparently other than he's not African American.

Let me make this short for you. These are YOUR words:

"I have not read any further than your first statement above..."

What you seek is bias confirmation that validates your own views. Everything else is racist. Until you can argue my points better than I can, you are ignorant. I can argue your points all day long and never miss a beat of the standard canard. It's been forced fed down me for a number of decades.

Nobody needs to waste valuable time trying to master an invalid argument. You're a dumb ass buddy and not reading your drivel is not about confirmation bias. Whoever you think this country was founded for has been changed by the legal process of amending the constitution. The white man was allowed to stay here because the indigenous people here did not believe that anybody had the right to own the land. And their belief makes sense because we only live for a period of time but the land remains when we are gone. It takes 2/3'rds of the states to ratify an amendment, and since the south had decided to form it's own country, wage war and lost, the winning side had every right to impose rules on the seceding states in order to allow them to rejoin the union. So it's like this, running your mouth on the internet with this bogus garbage does nothing. Take your case to the nation. You claim to be Mr. Big time so gather up the other radicalized scrubs and organize a national movement to rescind the 14th Amendment and see what you get. They shut trump up about ending the 14th Amendment and he's the president. You will be sent back to the survivalist compound too.

The 14th amendment, as it is treated, is unconstitutional.
It would be constitutional, IF it were treated as Jacob Howard said it was to be, but 20th century liberal loons twisted it out of it's intended design, to suit their purposes of increasing their power, and Democrats, desperate for votes now continue the wreckage.

How can it be unconstitutional when it's part of the U.S. Constitution?
Which part of the 14th amendment are you taking exception to, and how is it negatively impacting your life?

Do you understand English ? I said "the way it's treated". Do you have a functioning brain . I didn't say anything was wrong with the 14th amendment . It is fine as it was written and intended to be. What is wrong is the distortion of of it by vote-hungry Democrats, giving birthright citizenship to kids of foreigners, when it was clearly stated to not be that way.

How it impacts me is a long list of the harms of immigration, which I have posted 100 times in this forum, for the benefit of information-deprived liberal victims of liberal OMISSION media, and liberal OMISSION universities.

 

[protectionist]

White crime is higher than both. So why does the fact that you're 6 times more likely to get killed, beaten, robbed, raped or cheated by another white than a black or Hispanic not concern you?

It concerns less because it is an idiotic lie. Everybody knows black crime is astronomical compared to white crime.

In white communities, people leave their doors wide open. In black communities, ravaged with crime, people have fox locks on their doors, and bars on their windows. Police cars with flashing lights are an everyday occurance.

How would you have any idea of what it's like to live in a black neighborhood?

My neighbor's to right and left of.me are both black. The neighborhood is integrated, but mostly black. That's why Tampa congressmen are all Democrats.

The neighborhood you live in is predominantly black? Why? The white people won't let you live near them?

This should be good

No, you just don't like what I'm conveying. There is no hatred involved, let alone dishonestly. As far as ignorance, I readily admit that I am ignorant of many subjects, many of which simply because I have no interests in them. However when it comes to the topic of who did what based on their beliefe in the superiority/inferiority of themselves and others, due to race, I found it necessary to educate myself in order to be able to counter the lies, deceit and misconceptions (to be generous) of white racists who are still attempting to wreck havoc on the lives of non-whites, but particularly those people of African descent.

I have not read any further than your first statement above because that needed to be addressed first and foremost. I'm address the rest of your comment if necessary in a separate post.

And for the record, I find it interesting that you believe me to being trying to appear as an intellectual. I am smart or intelligent if you prefer, not simply because I believe myself to be (I do, because that's what our teachers have told us getting good grades means) but because others have certified me to be. Understand? Unlike protectionist for example, who believes he's better, smarter, more intelligent than all of the African Americans on this board but has shown nothing to support his beliefs apparently other than he's not African American.

Let me make this short for you. These are YOUR words:

"I have not read any further than your first statement above..."

What you seek is bias confirmation that validates your own views. Everything else is racist. Until you can argue my points better than I can, you are ignorant. I can argue your points all day long and never miss a beat of the standard canard. It's been forced fed down me for a number of decades.

Nobody needs to waste valuable time trying to master an invalid argument. You're a dumb ass buddy and not reading your drivel is not about confirmation bias. Whoever you think this country was founded for has been changed by the legal process of amending the constitution. The white man was allowed to stay here because the indigenous people here did not believe that anybody had the right to own the land. And their belief makes sense because we only live for a period of time but the land remains when we are gone. It takes 2/3'rds of the states to ratify an amendment, and since the south had decided to form it's own country, wage war and lost, the winning side had every right to impose rules on the seceding states in order to allow them to rejoin the union. So it's like this, running your mouth on the internet with this bogus garbage does nothing. Take your case to the nation. You claim to be Mr. Big time so gather up the other radicalized scrubs and organize a national movement to rescind the 14th Amendment and see what you get. They shut trump up about ending the 14th Amendment and he's the president. You will be sent back to the survivalist compound too.

The 14th amendment, as it is treated, is unconstitutional.
It would be constitutional, IF it were treated as Jacob Howard said it was to be, but 20th century liberal loons twisted it out of it's intended design, to suit their purposes of increasing their power, and Democrats, desperate for votes now continue the wreckage.

How can it be unconstitutional when it's part of the U.S. Constitution?
Which part of the 14th amendment are you taking exception to, and how is it negatively impacting your life?

He likely believes the 14th amendment to be an "affirmative action conspiracy", designed to help "blacks" at his wretched expense.



SMGDH.

14th amendment and AA are two completely separate subjects. You are very confused.

 

[protectionist]

So if you saw see poverty shacks and homeless people everywhere you look, you would agree with a report that says the community is economically healthy, right ? Is this how brain-fried liberals are ?

Wow, are YOU ever stupid. Read my post that you quoted over again. Maybe this time a bit slower. Read it 20 times if necessary. Maybe eventually it will sink in. Only an idiot could disagree with it.

And I didn't say anything about eyewitness testimony, you moron.

I dont' have to read, I already know it doesn't contain anything of substance.

It doesn't surprise me that you missed the eyes & ears reference.

Eyes and ears are your best source of information. Too bad liberals are wrapped up BS "reports"

You have a wealth of knowledge at your fingertips so there is absolutely no reason for you to remain as ignorant on so many topics as you are.

Eyes & ears aren't real useful if your brain doesn't work properly.

Just like all the other liberals, it is YOU who is ignorant. You couldn't even score a 10% on any of my Quizzes.

If I agree to take one of your quizzes, then you have to agree to take one of mine.

OK . But I asked you first, so go ahead

 

[protectionist]

Blacks aren't dumb, They know their communities are broken A hardy handshake and a nod.. In the spirit of MLK...

I am black and don't say the black community is broken. I will say that our tax dollars go into developing white communities. You are white and ignore a whole lot of shit whites have done to create the damage. You need to quit talking about Dr. King.

"Where Do We Go From Here?," Address Delivered at the Eleventh Annual SCLC Convention
Author: King, Martin Luther, Jr.
Date: August 16, 1967

"With all the struggle and all the achievements, we must face the fact, however, that the Negro still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is still at the bottom, despite the few who have penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often no bottom at which to start, and when there is there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes are still impoverished aliens in an affluent society. They are too poor even to rise with the society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend by using their own resources. And the Negro did not do this himself; it was done to him."

This might have been true for 1967. It definitely it not true for 2020. In fact, blacks are much better off than whites, because they have good jobs more so than whites.

Want an example ? Easy. Take a walk through a VA hospital in a city like Tampa, with large populations of both blacks and whites ,(and other minorities). Observe dozens of employees. Stay longer and observe hundreds of employees. Count how many whites you see. You can use your fingers to count them.

 

[katsteve2012]

Did you mean a bean counter?

What the hell is wrong with you that you can't even admit that you made a mathematical error? No, your math is not fine, it's off by around 15 years. So that either makes you stupid or dishonest or both. Which is it?

None of my numbers are wrong.

Your numbers are made up bullshit. You are a disingenuous liar.

You like to throw the word "proof" around. OK. I'll follow suit. Show a shred of proof that any of my numbers are wrong. G'wan. Do it.

You've been asked for "proof" when you have posted outright lies, which is on a regular basis. And as expected, your only "proof" has been to insist that "what you say" is fact.

Your belief that ANYONE who is black that has lived between 1961 and 2020, has benefitted from AA is a perfect example of the kind of trailer trash stupidity and ignorance that still resides in the minds of the bottom rung of society.

The world will be a better place when you are no longer here.

I don't remember saying that "ANYONE" who's lived between 1961 and 2020 has benefitted from AA.

In any case, your acceptance of AA, and refusal to acknowledge it's victimization, is an example of the kind of selfish, bottom feeding that still resides in the minds of the bottom rung of society (if you can even be considered part of US society at all).

The world will be a better place when racists like you are no longer here.

Your inability to remember what you stated can be easily corrected by you going back and reading what you posted.

As far as me being racist, you projecting your own tendencies as s defense mechanism is ineffective in you making a credible point.

 

[katsteve2012]

It concerns less because it is an idiotic lie. Everybody knows black crime is astronomical compared to white crime.

In white communities, people leave their doors wide open. In black communities, ravaged with crime, people have fox locks on their doors, and bars on their windows. Police cars with flashing lights are an everyday occurance.

How would you have any idea of what it's like to live in a black neighborhood?

My neighbor's to right and left of.me are both black. The neighborhood is integrated, but mostly black. That's why Tampa congressmen are all Democrats.

The neighborhood you live in is predominantly black? Why? The white people won't let you live near them?

This should be good

Let me make this short for you. These are YOUR words:

"I have not read any further than your first statement above..."

What you seek is bias confirmation that validates your own views. Everything else is racist. Until you can argue my points better than I can, you are ignorant. I can argue your points all day long and never miss a beat of the standard canard. It's been forced fed down me for a number of decades.

Nobody needs to waste valuable time trying to master an invalid argument. You're a dumb ass buddy and not reading your drivel is not about confirmation bias. Whoever you think this country was founded for has been changed by the legal process of amending the constitution. The white man was allowed to stay here because the indigenous people here did not believe that anybody had the right to own the land. And their belief makes sense because we only live for a period of time but the land remains when we are gone. It takes 2/3'rds of the states to ratify an amendment, and since the south had decided to form it's own country, wage war and lost, the winning side had every right to impose rules on the seceding states in order to allow them to rejoin the union. So it's like this, running your mouth on the internet with this bogus garbage does nothing. Take your case to the nation. You claim to be Mr. Big time so gather up the other radicalized scrubs and organize a national movement to rescind the 14th Amendment and see what you get. They shut trump up about ending the 14th Amendment and he's the president. You will be sent back to the survivalist compound too.

The 14th amendment, as it is treated, is unconstitutional.
It would be constitutional, IF it were treated as Jacob Howard said it was to be, but 20th century liberal loons twisted it out of it's intended design, to suit their purposes of increasing their power, and Democrats, desperate for votes now continue the wreckage.

How can it be unconstitutional when it's part of the U.S. Constitution?
Which part of the 14th amendment are you taking exception to, and how is it negatively impacting your life?

He likely believes the 14th amendment to be an "affirmative action conspiracy", designed to help "blacks" at his wretched expense.



SMGDH.

14th amendment and AA are two completely separate subjects. You are very confused.

No confusion at regarding your views.

 

[katsteve2012]

Blacks aren't dumb, They know their communities are broken A hardy handshake and a nod.. In the spirit of MLK...

I am black and don't say the black community is broken. I will say that our tax dollars go into developing white communities. You are white and ignore a whole lot of shit whites have done to create the damage. You need to quit talking about Dr. King.

"Where Do We Go From Here?," Address Delivered at the Eleventh Annual SCLC Convention
Author: King, Martin Luther, Jr.
Date: August 16, 1967

"With all the struggle and all the achievements, we must face the fact, however, that the Negro still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is still at the bottom, despite the few who have penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often no bottom at which to start, and when there is there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes are still impoverished aliens in an affluent society. They are too poor even to rise with the society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend by using their own resources. And the Negro did not do this himself; it was done to him."

This might have been true for 1967. It definitely it not true for 2020. In fact, blacks are much better off than whites, because they have good jobs more so than whites.

Want an example ? Easy. Take a walk through a VA hospital in a city like Tampa, with large populations of both blacks and whites ,(and other minorities). Observe dozens of employees. Stay longer and observe hundreds of employees. Count how many whites you see. You can use your fingers to count them.

Blacks in general do not hold "better jobs" than whites in America. That is another outright, blatant fabrication on your part. You are a prolific liar.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

When did speaking out against the racism by whites become racism?

In 1961, when Affirmative Action began, making blacks the beneficiaries of racism, and whites the victims.

Since that didn't happen, you didn't answer the question.

That did happen, by JFK, and again in 1965, by LBJ. You can't change history.

That's true..no matter how hard YOU try.

JFK coined the phrase of Affirmative Action in an Executive Order. LBJ mandated AA in hiring practices by Federal contractors--in 1965, after the civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed. AA took another decade to firmly take hold. It is an fact that White women probably benefited more than Black men. It is also a fact that most minorities had a shot at AA. It is also a fact that many minorities were able to get an education, enter professions such as medicine and the law--that might have not done so. Again, women, and particularly women of color...greatly benefited.

IMO..those sort of things are the only reparations that really even count

Anyone who thinks that white men are the victims of racism in this country is either a fool or attempting to pursue a revisionist and racist agenda. I guess that one could be both.
White victim-hood is pathetic..and an excuse for losers to find a reason they can live with for their failures.

Timeline of Affirmative Action Milestones

 

[IM2]

When did speaking out against the racism by whites become racism?

In 1961, when Affirmative Action began, making blacks the beneficiaries of racism, and whites the victims.

Since that didn't happen, you didn't answer the question.

That did happen, by JFK, and again in 1965, by LBJ. You can't change history.

That's true..no matter how hard YOU try.

JFK coined the phrase of Affirmative Action in an Executive Order. LBJ mandated AA in hiring practices by Federal contractors--in 1965, after the civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed. AA took another decade to firmly take hold. It is an fact that White women probably benefited more than Black men. It is also a fact that most minorities had a shot at AA. It is also a fact that many minorities were able to get an education, enter professions such as medicine and the law--that might have not done so. Again, women, and particularly women of color...greatly benefited.

IMO..those sort of things are the only reparations that really even count

Anyone who thinks that white men are the victims of racism in this country is either a fool or attempting to pursue a revisionist and racist agenda. I guess that one could be both.
White victim-hood is pathetic..and an excuse for losers to find a reason they can live with for their failures.

Timeline of Affirmative Action Milestones

Most of what you say I agree with. However white women have indeed been the major beneficiary of AA and since we have 15 times less wealth than whites due to years of racist public policy, there must be some kind of economic redress for the abuses.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

When did speaking out against the racism by whites become racism?

In 1961, when Affirmative Action began, making blacks the beneficiaries of racism, and whites the victims.

Since that didn't happen, you didn't answer the question.

That did happen, by JFK, and again in 1965, by LBJ. You can't change history.

That's true..no matter how hard YOU try.

JFK coined the phrase of Affirmative Action in an Executive Order. LBJ mandated AA in hiring practices by Federal contractors--in 1965, after the civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed. AA took another decade to firmly take hold. It is an fact that White women probably benefited more than Black men. It is also a fact that most minorities had a shot at AA. It is also a fact that many minorities were able to get an education, enter professions such as medicine and the law--that might have not done so. Again, women, and particularly women of color...greatly benefited.

IMO..those sort of things are the only reparations that really even count

Anyone who thinks that white men are the victims of racism in this country is either a fool or attempting to pursue a revisionist and racist agenda. I guess that one could be both.
White victim-hood is pathetic..and an excuse for losers to find a reason they can live with for their failures.

Timeline of Affirmative Action Milestones

Most of what you say I agree with. However white women have indeed been the major beneficiary of AA and since we have 15 times less wealth than whites due to years of racist public policy, there must be some kind of economic redress for the abuses.

Without going into the ethical case for financial reparations...I don't support a grossly financial solution..because it won't work..as an ending to the problem of racial inequality in this country. No matter the amount..and i know that the hardcore advocates of this solution want trillions; when the money goes..the racism will still be here. The perception that people who had nothing to do with slavery are still penalized rankles. I know the argument that everyone white benefits from white privilege, and thus they should pay....I reject it on the grounds that culpability requires intent.

Never-mind that though--I just don't think it will work....as I've heard it proposed. I like the idea of free post-secondary education for minorities...on the Govt. dime and extending out for generations--that would be a game changer..IMO. Also..maybe a decade or so of exemption from all Federal taxes--that might be an acceptable compromise. No matter though..the haters will hate..on both sides of the issue...some will say that anything is too much..and some will say that anything short of totally bankrupting the White race will be too little.
This is not an issue that is amenable to compromise, IMO.

AA and women. Stats show that women in general..both white and of color..have benefited far more than men. Especially Black men. Implicit in these conversations seems to be that AA was/is all about Blacks. As you know, this is not the case at all. Why is this? Perhaps you have some thoughts? My sister, who is Black, says that she believes that it boils down to the fact that many White men can accept an educated Black woman...and are threatened by an educated Black man. She says that the Black culture often equates education to 'selling out'. I dunno, not my world.
I do know that rising tuition costs are pricing a good education out of the reach of the poor..and i do know that the poor are dis-proportionality of color.
That, is my world...LOL!

 

[protectionist]

None of my numbers are wrong.

Your numbers are made up bullshit. You are a disingenuous liar.

You like to throw the word "proof" around. OK. I'll follow suit. Show a shred of proof that any of my numbers are wrong. G'wan. Do it.

You've been asked for "proof" when you have posted outright lies, which is on a regular basis. And as expected, your only "proof" has been to insist that "what you say" is fact.

Your belief that ANYONE who is black that has lived between 1961 and 2020, has benefitted from AA is a perfect example of the kind of trailer trash stupidity and ignorance that still resides in the minds of the bottom rung of society.

The world will be a better place when you are no longer here.

I don't remember saying that "ANYONE" who's lived between 1961 and 2020 has benefitted from AA.

In any case, your acceptance of AA, and refusal to acknowledge it's victimization, is an example of the kind of selfish, bottom feeding that still resides in the minds of the bottom rung of society (if you can even be considered part of US society at all).

The world will be a better place when racists like you are no longer here.

Your inability to remember what you stated can be easily corrected by you going back and reading what you posted.

As far as me being racist, you projecting your own tendencies as s defense mechanism is ineffective in you making a credible point.

1. Well, by not posting a reference location to this alleged "ANYONE" post, you are thus unable to establish that any such post exists.

2. As far as you being racist, you support race-based AA. Case closed.

 

[protectionist]

How would you have any idea of what it's like to live in a black neighborhood?

My neighbor's to right and left of.me are both black. The neighborhood is integrated, but mostly black. That's why Tampa congressmen are all Democrats.

The neighborhood you live in is predominantly black? Why? The white people won't let you live near them?

This should be good

Nobody needs to waste valuable time trying to master an invalid argument. You're a dumb ass buddy and not reading your drivel is not about confirmation bias. Whoever you think this country was founded for has been changed by the legal process of amending the constitution. The white man was allowed to stay here because the indigenous people here did not believe that anybody had the right to own the land. And their belief makes sense because we only live for a period of time but the land remains when we are gone. It takes 2/3'rds of the states to ratify an amendment, and since the south had decided to form it's own country, wage war and lost, the winning side had every right to impose rules on the seceding states in order to allow them to rejoin the union. So it's like this, running your mouth on the internet with this bogus garbage does nothing. Take your case to the nation. You claim to be Mr. Big time so gather up the other radicalized scrubs and organize a national movement to rescind the 14th Amendment and see what you get. They shut trump up about ending the 14th Amendment and he's the president. You will be sent back to the survivalist compound too.

The 14th amendment, as it is treated, is unconstitutional.
It would be constitutional, IF it were treated as Jacob Howard said it was to be, but 20th century liberal loons twisted it out of it's intended design, to suit their purposes of increasing their power, and Democrats, desperate for votes now continue the wreckage.

How can it be unconstitutional when it's part of the U.S. Constitution?
Which part of the 14th amendment are you taking exception to, and how is it negatively impacting your life?

He likely believes the 14th amendment to be an "affirmative action conspiracy", designed to help "blacks" at his wretched expense.



SMGDH.

14th amendment and AA are two completely separate subjects. You are very confused.

No confusion at regarding your views.

No need to be. I make my views clear. That, however, doesnt mean that you will understand.

Birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment was clearly meant to exclude kids of foreigners. You do understand that, don't you ?

 

[protectionist]

Blacks aren't dumb, They know their communities are broken A hardy handshake and a nod.. In the spirit of MLK...

I am black and don't say the black community is broken. I will say that our tax dollars go into developing white communities. You are white and ignore a whole lot of shit whites have done to create the damage. You need to quit talking about Dr. King.

"Where Do We Go From Here?," Address Delivered at the Eleventh Annual SCLC Convention
Author: King, Martin Luther, Jr.
Date: August 16, 1967

"With all the struggle and all the achievements, we must face the fact, however, that the Negro still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is still at the bottom, despite the few who have penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often no bottom at which to start, and when there is there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes are still impoverished aliens in an affluent society. They are too poor even to rise with the society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend by using their own resources. And the Negro did not do this himself; it was done to him."

This might have been true for 1967. It definitely it not true for 2020. In fact, blacks are much better off than whites, because they have good jobs more so than whites.

Want an example ? Easy. Take a walk through a VA hospital in a city like Tampa, with large populations of both blacks and whites ,(and other minorities). Observe dozens of employees. Stay longer and observe hundreds of employees. Count how many whites you see. You can use your fingers to count them.

Blacks in general do not hold "better jobs" than whites in America. That is another outright, blatant fabrication on your part. You are a prolific liar.

I gave a perfect example of the absolute proof that yes, blacks are much better off than whites, with good jobs more so than whites.

Here's 2 more a proof examples: Ho hum.

Bay Pines VA hospital, St. Petersburg FL

Florida Dept of Employment - Job Center, Tampa, FL

 

[katsteve2012]

Blacks aren't dumb, They know their communities are broken A hardy handshake and a nod.. In the spirit of MLK...

I am black and don't say the black community is broken. I will say that our tax dollars go into developing white communities. You are white and ignore a whole lot of shit whites have done to create the damage. You need to quit talking about Dr. King.

"Where Do We Go From Here?," Address Delivered at the Eleventh Annual SCLC Convention
Author: King, Martin Luther, Jr.
Date: August 16, 1967

"With all the struggle and all the achievements, we must face the fact, however, that the Negro still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is still at the bottom, despite the few who have penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often no bottom at which to start, and when there is there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes are still impoverished aliens in an affluent society. They are too poor even to rise with the society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend by using their own resources. And the Negro did not do this himself; it was done to him."

This might have been true for 1967. It definitely it not true for 2020. In fact, blacks are much better off than whites, because they have good jobs more so than whites.

Want an example ? Easy. Take a walk through a VA hospital in a city like Tampa, with large populations of both blacks and whites ,(and other minorities). Observe dozens of employees. Stay longer and observe hundreds of employees. Count how many whites you see. You can use your fingers to count them.

Blacks in general do not hold "better jobs" than whites in America. That is another outright, blatant fabrication on your part. You are a prolific liar.

I gave a perfect example of the absolute proof that yes, blacks are much better off than whites, with good jobs more so than whites.

Here's 2 more a proof examples: Ho hum.

Bay Pines VA hospital, St. Petersburg FL

Florida Dept of Employment - Job Center, Tampa, FL

Florida is not inclusive of the entire country.

National Department of Labor statistics prove you to be making up lies...yet again.

Labor force characteristics by race and ethnicity, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics