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WHAT about if you got into a bad car accident and became paralyzed from the neck down, and you required personal/medical care 24/7, for the rest of your life ? First thing that will happen ? If you have private insurance, they will drop you like a hot potato. Unless you have VA coverage, you'll be screwed (without the ACA)
As for the patriot Act, I doubt if any of us really knows what would have happened since 9/11 if it hadn't been enacted. I doubt if we know what terrorist attacks it has prevented. A lot of this stuff takes place behind the scenes, and is hard to assess.
I do know that I have not been negatively impacted by the Patriot act since its inception.
Right, because clearly that situation has left millions of people screwed over the past couple hundred years without MalpracticeCare because there was no Medicaid, MediCare, or Hospice.
Enjoy the delicious sarcasm.
Herp. Derp.
As for TPA, there are hundreds of shining examples of abuse of power since its inception. I don't need to expound on its corruption, it's obvious to anyone that actually cares to do their due diligence.
I don't see the connection between your first paragraph and mine. Could you please answer the question >> "WHAT about if you got into a bad car accident and became paralyzed from the neck down, and you required personal/medical care 24/7, for the rest of your life ?"
If there are "hundreds of shining examples of abuse of power since the inception of the Patriot Act, then you shouldn't have a problem with citing a few here, right. So please do (with links please)
PS - at the same time, maybe you could note some of the helpful examples of the PA.
Please be brief. I will briefly state that there probably are 100 things (or more) wrong with America, but I will state just one for now >>
America is too much run by rich people. Members of Congress, the President and Vice-President, and members of the Supreme Court are generally all rich people. What do they know about middle class, lower middle class, and poor people's lives ? How can they make decisions about things they have no experience with, or have long forgotten from years past ? When have these people ever been unemployed, and out looking for a job, with a wide variety of things being used against them ? (credit reports, smear talk from former employers often untrue, etc). The last time I applied for a job I was told I would never get hired because employers require RECENT employment in that job occupation (within last 2 years). There's probably a long list of ways people can be denied a job, that shouldn't exist, and don't make sense.
Getting paid a pension you were promised is not welfare. Getting paid the SS checks you paid for, is not welfare.
Welfare is getting paid based on need alone.
No, I would not be ok with a tax designed to force the wealthy to pay for the debt accrued by the entire country and current retirees. Again, asking someone else to pay your debts because they happen to have more income or assets than you is abhorrent.
the average retiree has not paid in near enough to cover what they get in benefits. I believe I've read on average its less than 30% of the cost.
we live in a market system and compensation is largely based on supply and demand. "Abhorrent"? You put way to much moral emotion into this, its just practicality.
I wonder if that calculation has taken decades of inflation into account. Example - if a retiree received $900 this year from Social Security, that is equivalent to $114.36 in 1960.
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
the average retiree has not paid in near enough to cover what they get in benefits. I believe I've read on average its less than 30% of the cost.
we live in a market system and compensation is largely based on supply and demand. "Abhorrent"? You put way to much moral emotion into this, its just practicality.
A kid once sold a Micky Mantle baseball card to a pawn shop for $10. The owner turned around and sold the card for $50,000 to a collector. The parents of the kid cried foul, the pawn owner replied "Ain't my fucking problem, a voluntary deal was made."
What you claim is mostly false, but also irrelevant. The federal government forces a mandatory requirement on the population. Those who pay in have fulfilled their requirement. IF the government loses money on the deal, it an't my fucking problem. And it SURE THE FUCK isn't welfare. The government sold a product, by force. If they fucked up and priced it wrong, it's their problem.
so your comparing taxpayers being ripped off to a greedy pawn shop owner taking advantage of an uninformed kid?
Theft at the point of a gun is not "practicality." If someone comes to your home and walks off with the food in your freezer, or your car that you need to drive to work, is that "practicality?" We make out like taking a % of someone's income is just the way it is, but when the money is taken from peter to pay paul it's no different than a felonious assault. We just white wash it and call it tax and spending policies.the average retiree has not paid in near enough to cover what they get in benefits. I believe I've read on average its less than 30% of the cost.Getting paid a pension you were promised is not welfare. Getting paid the SS checks you paid for, is not welfare.
Welfare is getting paid based on need alone.
No, I would not be ok with a tax designed to force the wealthy to pay for the debt accrued by the entire country and current retirees. Again, asking someone else to pay your debts because they happen to have more income or assets than you is abhorrent.
we live in a market system and compensation is largely based on supply and demand. "Abhorrent"? You put way to much moral emotion into this, its just practicality.
When you look at the SS/Medicare stuff the bottom quintile get more out than they put in, the second quintile breaks even. The third quintile may or may not break even based on how many years they live past the average. The fourth quin-tile gets royally screwed over and the upper quintile gets a tax exemption preventing him from being more screwed over than the fourth quintile.
Right, because clearly that situation has left millions of people screwed over the past couple hundred years without MalpracticeCare because there was no Medicaid, MediCare, or Hospice.
Enjoy the delicious sarcasm.
Herp. Derp.
As for TPA, there are hundreds of shining examples of abuse of power since its inception. I don't need to expound on its corruption, it's obvious to anyone that actually cares to do their due diligence.
I don't see the connection between your first paragraph and mine. Could you please answer the question >> "WHAT about if you got into a bad car accident and became paralyzed from the neck down, and you required personal/medical care 24/7, for the rest of your life ?"
If there are "hundreds of shining examples of abuse of power since the inception of the Patriot Act, then you shouldn't have a problem with citing a few here, right. So please do (with links please)
PS - at the same time, maybe you could note some of the helpful examples of the PA.
If you don't see the connection between our first paragraphs, I don't see a reason to break it down all first grader style; and if you're too lazy to do a simple Google search for TPA abuse, I'm too lazy to bother doing your research for you.
Trying to blame the corruption all on "rich people" as a class
is as smallminded and wrongful as trying to blame crime on "poor people" as a class.
There are as many "rich people as poor people" who get robbed or cheated of their
labor by the people committing crime and corruption.
The problem is the people who commit crime or corruption
aren't required to pay back restitution, so the state creates jobs and makes
money off the problems instead of capitalizing on solutions.
If we started rewarding Constitutional enforcement and good civil conduct
with citizenship, and started revoking or fining people for crimes and violations
until the debts/damages/restitution is paid back, maybe we'd see more consistent
standards as well as a sustainable economy instead of paying more for crime
and corruption than we do for lawful behavior.
so your comparing taxpayers being ripped off to a greedy pawn shop owner taking advantage of an uninformed kid?
so your comparing taxpayers being ripped off to a greedy pawn shop owner taking advantage of an uninformed kid?
No, I'm explaining why the demagoguery you employ is logically false and ethically corrupt. You seek to attack people who played by the rules because corrupt bureaucrats forced a system, over their objections on them.
The only "rip off" was by Franklin Roosevelt and the corrupt democrats who forced this Ponzi Scheme on the nation. Every retiree collecting Social Security earned every dime they get.
so your comparing taxpayers being ripped off to a greedy pawn shop owner taking advantage of an uninformed kid?
No, I'm explaining why the demagoguery you employ is logically false and ethically corrupt. You seek to attack people who played by the rules because corrupt bureaucrats forced a system, over their objections on them.
The only "rip off" was by Franklin Roosevelt and the corrupt democrats who forced this Ponzi Scheme on the nation. Every retiree collecting Social Security earned every dime they get.
sigh, its not "demagoguery", it not logically false, its not ethically corrupt. I'm not attacking these people I'm pointing out to you, who are so SO against welfare, that Social Security and medicare is really a type of welfare.
And it IS illogical, especially in the same paragraph, to say that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and then turn around and say every retiree earned every dime they get.
Typical Reaganist talking point. Trying to put words in peoples' mouths that tax the rich policies are really tax the middle class policies. HA HA. People would have to be pretty stupid to fall for that. Don't you guys ever come up with anything new ? Pheeeeww!!
One would have to be a complete moron to not agree with the point that the super rich have, quite literally, thousands of ways earn money that are not taxable as income. Income and capital gains taxes impact the upper middle class a helluva lot more than they do the billionaires.
Sounds like you would agree with me then that we should raise taxes ON THE RICH. Make the ways they get money TAXABLE. Do what it takes. And close the loopholes, and keep closing new ones as they arise. This is part of what we're paying our legislators for. Let them earn their pay (and maybe their approval rates just might go up a bit)
Social Security and Medicare are UNconstitutional socialist scams.
But guess what , Americans have been forced to "contribute" to the schemes. Are they wrong for trying to somehow retrieve their money??????
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I don't see the connection between your first paragraph and mine. Could you please answer the question >> "WHAT about if you got into a bad car accident and became paralyzed from the neck down, and you required personal/medical care 24/7, for the rest of your life ?"
If there are "hundreds of shining examples of abuse of power since the inception of the Patriot Act, then you shouldn't have a problem with citing a few here, right. So please do (with links please)
PS - at the same time, maybe you could note some of the helpful examples of the PA.
If you don't see the connection between our first paragraphs, I don't see a reason to break it down all first grader style; and if you're too lazy to do a simple Google search for TPA abuse, I'm too lazy to bother doing your research for you.
End result. You couldn't answer the question because you know that your original statement calling the ACA a "problem" with this country, has a major flaw. And that flaw is that YOU could NEED that ACA someday (maybe even tomorrow, anytime).
Social Security and Medicare are UNconstitutional socialist scams.sigh, its not "demagoguery", it not logically false, its not ethically corrupt. I'm not attacking these people I'm pointing out to you, who are so SO against welfare, that Social Security and medicare is really a type of welfare.No, I'm explaining why the demagoguery you employ is logically false and ethically corrupt. You seek to attack people who played by the rules because corrupt bureaucrats forced a system, over their objections on them.
The only "rip off" was by Franklin Roosevelt and the corrupt democrats who forced this Ponzi Scheme on the nation. Every retiree collecting Social Security earned every dime they get.
And it IS illogical, especially in the same paragraph, to say that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and then turn around and say every retiree earned every dime they get.
But guess what , Americans have been forced to "contribute" to the schemes. Are they wrong for trying to somehow retrieve their money??????
.
No, I'm explaining why the demagoguery you employ is logically false and ethically corrupt. You seek to attack people who played by the rules because corrupt bureaucrats forced a system, over their objections on them.
The only "rip off" was by Franklin Roosevelt and the corrupt democrats who forced this Ponzi Scheme on the nation. Every retiree collecting Social Security earned every dime they get.
sigh, its not "demagoguery", it not logically false, its not ethically corrupt. I'm not attacking these people I'm pointing out to you, who are so SO against welfare, that Social Security and medicare is really a type of welfare.
And it IS illogical, especially in the same paragraph, to say that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and then turn around and say every retiree earned every dime they get.
Social Security and Medicare are UNconstitutional socialist scams.
But guess what , Americans have been forced to "contribute" to the schemes. Are they wrong for trying to somehow retrieve their money??????
.
Typical Reaganist talking point. Trying to put words in peoples' mouths that tax the rich policies are really tax the middle class policies. HA HA. People would have to be pretty stupid to fall for that. Don't you guys ever come up with anything new ? Pheeeeww!!
One would have to be a complete moron to not agree with the point that the super rich have, quite literally, thousands of ways earn money that are not taxable as income. Income and capital gains taxes impact the upper middle class a helluva lot more than they do the billionaires.
Sounds like you would agree with me then that we should raise taxes ON THE RICH. Make the ways they get money TAXABLE. Do what it takes. And close the loopholes, and keep closing new ones as they arise. This is part of what we're paying our legislators for. Let them earn their pay (and maybe their approval rates just might go up a bit)
1) I don't worship my government...Theft at the point of a gun is not "practicality." If someone comes to your home and walks off with the food in your freezer, or your car that you need to drive to work, is that "practicality?" We make out like taking a % of someone's income is just the way it is, but when the money is taken from peter to pay paul it's no different than a felonious assault. We just white wash it and call it tax and spending policies.the average retiree has not paid in near enough to cover what they get in benefits. I believe I've read on average its less than 30% of the cost.
we live in a market system and compensation is largely based on supply and demand. "Abhorrent"? You put way to much moral emotion into this, its just practicality.
When you look at the SS/Medicare stuff the bottom quintile get more out than they put in, the second quintile breaks even. The third quintile may or may not break even based on how many years they live past the average. The fourth quin-tile gets royally screwed over and the upper quintile gets a tax exemption preventing him from being more screwed over than the fourth quintile.
Isnt there something in the bible about it being hard for rich men to get into heaven?
Perhaps you should look at it this way, the government is just trying to make sure you make it into heaven.
the average retiree has not paid in near enough to cover what they get in benefits. I believe I've read on average its less than 30% of the cost.
we live in a market system and compensation is largely based on supply and demand. "Abhorrent"? You put way to much moral emotion into this, its just practicality.
Theft at the point of a gun is not "practicality." If someone comes to your home and walks off with the food in your freezer, or your car that you need to drive to work, is that "practicality?" We make out like taking a % of someone's income is just the way it is, but when the money is taken from peter to pay paul it's no different than a felonious assault. We just white wash it and call it tax and spending policies.
When you look at the SS/Medicare stuff the bottom quintile get more out than they put in, the second quintile breaks even. The third quintile may or may not break even based on how many years they live past the average. The fourth quin-tile gets royally screwed over and the upper quintile gets a tax exemption preventing him from being more screwed over than the fourth quintile.
Someday you may BE that "Paul". Then what ?
Are you tuned in ? Did those poor people spend their money in a country which was foreign TO THEM ? (or in their own country)
The lived in this country and rarely spoke the language of the country they shopped in, so you tell me.
So you're saying most of the poor people you grew up around, lived in the USA and spent their money in a foreign country ?
What gives you the idea that I can't discern that difference? And why are you talking to me about paying people to not work ? Did I ever say I liked that idea ? Fact is, I hate it, and it's one of the reasons why I'm so adamant against illegal immigration (have you been reading this thread ?)
As for paying people based on need, I don't see that as an issue of conservative vs liberal, as long as the needy people getting the $$ really need it, can't help themselves, and are AMERICANS. If you have a gripe with that, then just wait until YOU become one of them someday, and then you can talk. See Post # 890 (first paragraph).
As for me lying about being a conservative, HA HA. That's a good one. The liberals in this forum whom I've been fighting tooth and nail in my other OPS, must be gagging right about now, having heard you say that. LOL.
