What Part Of "Shall Not Be Infringed" Does She Not Understand?

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Methinks your post / rant above is a very good example of unreasonableness.

You are confused Moon Bat.

Unreasonableness is like the SAFE Act in New York where a veteran went to the doctor because he had a little insomnia and the doctor reported him to the filthy ass unreasonable government and the government thugs came to his house and confiscated his legally owned firearms.

Unreasonableness is the stupid Libtards in California passing a bill to ban all semi automatic firearms.

Unreasonable is when the decorated veteran in New York was arrested and sent to jail because he had an empty standard capitacy magazine in the trunk of his car.

Unreasonableness is the city of DC banning all handguns, even in the home for self defense, and having to be told to knock it off by the Supreme Court.

You stupid uneducated low information Moon Bats wouldn't know what the term "reasonable" meant if it bit you in the ass and that is why you sorry ass bastards can't be trusted with the Bill of Rights..

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

So $1000 and 3-6 month wait for a handgun permit for home use in NYC is reasonable?

It's a start.

No, its unconstitutional, but such concepts are "beneath you".

Fascist.

Are you a constitutional scholar? Your question is not an answer to my question. Which of the constitutionally enumerated rights is absolutely free of reasonable regulation?

How is a 3-6 month wait and a $1000 fee reasonable?

How about we apply that to abortions?

Who knew that is time sensitive, like abortion?

And where's my answer? Which of the constitutionally enumerated rights is not subject to reasonable regulation?

Again, one of you people needs to point out the "reasonable restrictions" clause in the BOR. That will answer your question.

 

[martybegan]

It's not an answer. Tell my why the restrictions I stated are reasonable.

Reasonable in ensuring criminals and nut jobs are not sold guns and those who get a permit meet the standards established by the community

it takes 3-6 months and $1000 to accomplish that? Really?

And again, since it is a right, the "community" doesn't have a say in it, or do you want to imply that a location can ban abortion and gay marriage if they feel like it. Or, forget the ban, just add a $1000 fee and a 3 month waiting period to each one.

You are a New Yorker...push for them to hire more people to process gun applications
Prove that $1000 is excessive for the service provided

Yes, the community does have a say in it. They can also put restrictions on abortion clinics (see Texas) or gay marriage

Its not a question of volume, the rules are implicitly designed to make it as hard as possible for anyone to get a permit, law abiding citizens included.

Also, its the government's burden to prove things when they infringe on a right, they should prove why $1000 is required.

So if Mississippi wanted to charge a $1000 fee and a 3-6 month wait on abortions, you would be OK with that?

Please provide the points and authority to support your claims. You final sentence/question is an example of unreasonableness, of course that's obvious to anyone who thinks about it.

You are asking a weasel question, of course they won't admit the real reasons for the laws. In fact NYC's laws are based on the Sullivan law from the 30's, used to fight against the mafia. But their continued application is simply to make it so hard to get a weapon that most people give up.

Of course, police can keep weapons in their homes, and don't have to go through hoops, even after they retire, Also, if you have a "friend" in the government, all the problems go away.

Cronyism, nothing but.

 

[Vandalshandle]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

maybe she got snagged by the 'well regulated militia' part.

That lie only reached fruition in the 1930s, and has since been dispatched to the roundfile.

Constitutionally, the federal government may not create laws of limitation upon the right. Any regulation is a matter for the States.

This is not going to go down well. I guess prisons have to start allowing inmates to buy guns through mail order.....

 

[martybegan]

So $1000 and 3-6 month wait for a handgun permit for home use in NYC is reasonable?

It's a start.

No, its unconstitutional, but such concepts are "beneath you".

Fascist.

Are you a constitutional scholar? Your question is not an answer to my question. Which of the constitutionally enumerated rights is absolutely free of reasonable regulation?

How is a 3-6 month wait and a $1000 fee reasonable?

How about we apply that to abortions?

Who knew that is time sensitive, like abortion?

And where's my answer? Which of the constitutionally enumerated rights is not subject to reasonable regulation?

Considering what we are discussing isn't reasonable, your last question is moot.

When government regulates a right, they have to do it in the least constrictive manner possible.

$1000 and 3-6 months is about as constrictive as you can get without a de jure ban, which is of course the purpose.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

maybe she got snagged by the 'well regulated militia' part.

That lie only reached fruition in the 1930s, and has since been dispatched to the roundfile.

Constitutionally, the federal government may not create laws of limitation upon the right. Any regulation is a matter for the States.

This is not going to go down well. I guess prisons have to start allowing inmates to buy guns through mail order.....

Criminals routinely lose rights on conviction, unless a Democratic governor returns them en masse (illegally at that) as has a certain Virginia governor.

You DO understand the difference between the federal and state governments, yes?

 

[Contumacious]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

I agree with Hillary.


So, what did “well-regulated” mean circa 1787?

It meant, simply, well-trained and equipped.


I own a Mossberg 590 and a Glock 45. So I am well equipped.


I practice, practice practice. So I am well trained.

For an example of "well equipped" and well trained see picture .

 

[rightwinger]

It's not an answer. Tell my why the restrictions I stated are reasonable.

Reasonable in ensuring criminals and nut jobs are not sold guns and those who get a permit meet the standards established by the community

it takes 3-6 months and $1000 to accomplish that? Really?

And again, since it is a right, the "community" doesn't have a say in it, or do you want to imply that a location can ban abortion and gay marriage if they feel like it. Or, forget the ban, just add a $1000 fee and a 3 month waiting period to each one.

You are a New Yorker...push for them to hire more people to process gun applications
Prove that $1000 is excessive for the service provided

Yes, the community does have a say in it. They can also put restrictions on abortion clinics (see Texas) or gay marriage

How much have you (all gun owners individually) paid for your gun(s) to protect yourself and your family / property? Is $1,000 to much to pay for the protection of the citizenry of New York?

The bad guys don't pay the $1000, yet they have guns, so who is protected?

And if they get caught with an illegal gun, they go to jail
Remember stop and frisk?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Reasonable in ensuring criminals and nut jobs are not sold guns and those who get a permit meet the standards established by the community

it takes 3-6 months and $1000 to accomplish that? Really?

And again, since it is a right, the "community" doesn't have a say in it, or do you want to imply that a location can ban abortion and gay marriage if they feel like it. Or, forget the ban, just add a $1000 fee and a 3 month waiting period to each one.

You are a New Yorker...push for them to hire more people to process gun applications
Prove that $1000 is excessive for the service provided

Yes, the community does have a say in it. They can also put restrictions on abortion clinics (see Texas) or gay marriage

How much have you (all gun owners individually) paid for your gun(s) to protect yourself and your family / property? Is $1,000 to much to pay for the protection of the citizenry of New York?

The bad guys don't pay the $1000, yet they have guns, so who is protected?

And if they get caught with an illegal gun, they go to jail
Remember stop and frisk?

Yes. DeBlasio ended it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

What part of "the Second Amendment is not unlimited" do you not understand.

 

[Contumacious]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

What part of "the Second Amendment is not unlimited" do you not understand.

MR. CHIEF JUSTICE WAITE delivered the opinion of the court

The Government of the United States is one of delegated powers alone. Its authority is defined and limited by the Constitution. All powers not granted to it by that instrument are reserved to the States or the people


The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government, leaving the people to look for their protection against any violation by their fellow citizens of the rights it recognizes, to what is called, in The City of New York v. Miln,11 Pet. 139, the "powers which relate to merely municipal legislation, or what was, perhaps, more properly called internal police," "not surrendered or restrained" by the Constitution of the United States.


United States v. Cruikshank
92 U.S. 542 (1875)

 

[martybegan]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

What part of "the Second Amendment is not unlimited" do you not understand.

What part of a 3-6 month wait and $1000 in fees being infringement do YOU not understand?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

To the left there are no Rights....there are only things the left needs to push their demands forward onto the society.....anything else will be ignored or destroyed...

Wrong again, moron; liberals defend citizens' rights and respect the Constitution and its case law, most on the right don't.

 

[Syriusly]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

So state laws forbidding felons from owning guns are unconstitutional?

 

[2aguy]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."

Our courts agree with her .....even the Heller decision written by Scalia

Wrong...what you dipsticks think that means is that you have the ability to regulate guns out of existence.......what Scalia and the intelligent justices meant is the bare minimum regulations that do not infringe on the actual Right.......so almost all of your gun control laws are unConstitutional.....

You cannot yell fire in a theater is the one you nuts always use for the first....but you don't have to register first to speak in a theater....you are arrested and your right suspended when you actually yell fire in the theater....


The same applies to guns.....if you use a gun for a crime ....you are arrested....right now, if you are felon in possession of a gun....you are arrested.......that is what scalia meant.....

Not....you can't own or carry a gun unless the government approves and you had better have a reason they like......

Hyperbole on your part

Nobody is trying to regulate guns out of existence, there are 300 million of them out there
The courts allow reasonable gun restrictions....even your favorite Heller decision

You don't have freedom to speak in a theater...they have a right to tell you to shut up, just like they have a right to tell you to keep your gun outside

And reasonable gun restrictions already exist...you cannot use them to commit crimes or murder........anything else is a prior restraint restriction on a Right.....you get punished when you break the law, not before.....

 

[2aguy]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

To the left there are no Rights....there are only things the left needs to push their demands forward onto the society.....anything else will be ignored or destroyed...

Wrong again, moron; liberals defend citizens' rights and respect the Constitution and its case law, most on the right don't.

No..asswipe.....liberals today are socialists........Classical Liberals, are modern Conservatives....the liberal/left/socialists recognize no rights....other than what they need to achieve more government power...

 

[2aguy]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

So state laws forbidding felons from owning guns are unconstitutional?

They could be.......once you have served your time, your rights should be restored....Virginia just restored the voting rights of felons...if they can vote, they get to own guns....

 

[Vandalshandle]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."
- Hillary Clinton

Clinton on Individual Right to Bear Arms: 'If It Is a Constitutional Right...'

maybe she got snagged by the 'well regulated militia' part.

That lie only reached fruition in the 1930s, and has since been dispatched to the roundfile.

Constitutionally, the federal government may not create laws of limitation upon the right. Any regulation is a matter for the States.

This is not going to go down well. I guess prisons have to start allowing inmates to buy guns through mail order.....

Criminals routinely lose rights on conviction, unless a Democratic governor returns them en masse (illegally at that) as has a certain Virginia governor.

You DO understand the difference between the federal and state governments, yes?

I just keep learning new things from you. so, there are no federal prisons? Damn! I hope that they don't find out about that at Leavenworth and Sing Sing!

 

[2aguy]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."

Our courts agree with her .....even the Heller decision written by Scalia

There is a big big difference to what Scalia thought was reasonable and what the typical Libtard Moon Bat thinks is reasonable.

You can't ever trust the stupid Moon Bats with a definition of reasonable because they are dumbass unreasonable dickheads.

I can give several recent examples of their unreasonableness if you are confused about this point.

exactly...that was the biggest mistake he made.......now they think they can do whatever they want......say "Reasonable" at every step and it is okay......

 

[Flash]

"If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation."

Our courts agree with her .....even the Heller decision written by Scalia

There is a big big difference to what Scalia thought was reasonable and what the typical Libtard Moon Bat thinks is reasonable.

You can't ever trust the stupid Moon Bats with a definition of reasonable because they are dumbass unreasonable dickheads.

I can give several recent examples of their unreasonableness if you are confused about this point.

exactly...that was the biggest mistake he made.......now they think they can do whatever they want......say "Reasonable" at every step and it is okay......

Libtards have no idea what the word reasonable means. That is why we can't trust the assholes with our Constitutional rights.