What the science says

Yes. No smart photons. No CO2 is a coolant.
I've never defended Trenberth. No reason here for me to start.

Did you have some reason for posting any of this stuff to me?
Looks like something better posted to Crick....or some other warmer.
Why not you, you believe CO2 warms the earth. you have no evidence to prove that, but you do anyway, so what again is different from your position and Crick?

Why not you, you believe CO2 warms the earth.

CO2 slows the escape of IR into space.

so what again is different from your position and Crick?

He believes we should waste trillions on windmills to reduce temps by 0.1 degrees in 2080.
I think that's a stupid idea.
and so what is slowing IR down have to do with a warmer surface since it is in the atmosphere?

Since matter above 0K radiates in all directions, that should be obvious.
No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface. And that isn't slowing down IR. Does the gas get more dense as it rises?

Does density change absorption?

No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface

The radiation that hits the surface will warm the surface.

And that isn't slowing down IR.


If it doesn't instantly escape into space, it has been slowed down.

Does the gas get more dense as it rises?


Density has what to do with radiation? Remember Stefan-Boltzmann?
 
Why not you, you believe CO2 warms the earth. you have no evidence to prove that, but you do anyway, so what again is different from your position and Crick?

Why not you, you believe CO2 warms the earth.

CO2 slows the escape of IR into space.

so what again is different from your position and Crick?

He believes we should waste trillions on windmills to reduce temps by 0.1 degrees in 2080.
I think that's a stupid idea.
and so what is slowing IR down have to do with a warmer surface since it is in the atmosphere?

Since matter above 0K radiates in all directions, that should be obvious.
No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface. And that isn't slowing down IR. Does the gas get more dense as it rises?

Does density change absorption?

No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface

The radiation that hits the surface will warm the surface.

And that isn't slowing down IR.


If it doesn't instantly escape into space, it has been slowed down.

Does the gas get more dense as it rises?


Density has what to do with radiation? Remember Stefan-Boltzmann?
So again you believe as crick! Funny

And yes density affects absorption and emissions. So does temperature
 
Why not you, you believe CO2 warms the earth.

CO2 slows the escape of IR into space.

so what again is different from your position and Crick?

He believes we should waste trillions on windmills to reduce temps by 0.1 degrees in 2080.
I think that's a stupid idea.
and so what is slowing IR down have to do with a warmer surface since it is in the atmosphere?

Since matter above 0K radiates in all directions, that should be obvious.
No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface. And that isn't slowing down IR. Does the gas get more dense as it rises?

Does density change absorption?

No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface

The radiation that hits the surface will warm the surface.

And that isn't slowing down IR.


If it doesn't instantly escape into space, it has been slowed down.

Does the gas get more dense as it rises?


Density has what to do with radiation? Remember Stefan-Boltzmann?
So again you believe as crick! Funny

And yes density affects absorption and emissions. So does temperature

Yeah, I believe in basic physics. Funny.
The real kind, not the smart photon kind.

And yes density affects absorption and emissions.

Where is density in the Stefan-Boltzmann formula?
 
How is it people who for all practical purposes are considered 'intelligent, and educated' can believe NASA on everything but .. but the very one thing the anti-regulation shills for Big Biz Concerns, pay huge amounts of $$$ to do battle with?
 
and so what is slowing IR down have to do with a warmer surface since it is in the atmosphere?

Since matter above 0K radiates in all directions, that should be obvious.
No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface. And that isn't slowing down IR. Does the gas get more dense as it rises?

Does density change absorption?

No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface

The radiation that hits the surface will warm the surface.

And that isn't slowing down IR.


If it doesn't instantly escape into space, it has been slowed down.

Does the gas get more dense as it rises?


Density has what to do with radiation? Remember Stefan-Boltzmann?
So again you believe as crick! Funny

And yes density affects absorption and emissions. So does temperature

Yeah, I believe in basic physics. Funny.
The real kind, not the smart photon kind.

And yes density affects absorption and emissions.

Where is density in the Stefan-Boltzmann formula?
all math and no experiment. I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm. you got any yet? I've been asking you for some time. Any? 0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2.
Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?
Is it four feet off the surface? one mile off the surface?
is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?
Why is it then the higher one goes in the atmosphere the cooler it gets?
Is the pressure the same high up as down near the surface?
Does CO2 rise even though it is heavier than air?
If CO2 which is mixed in the atmosphere and carries heat, why can't we see the hot spot?
Still hasn't been produced bubba.
Does CO2 heat the atmosphere or does CO2 heat itself?
 
Since matter above 0K radiates in all directions, that should be obvious.
No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface. And that isn't slowing down IR. Does the gas get more dense as it rises?

Does density change absorption?

No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface

The radiation that hits the surface will warm the surface.

And that isn't slowing down IR.


If it doesn't instantly escape into space, it has been slowed down.

Does the gas get more dense as it rises?


Density has what to do with radiation? Remember Stefan-Boltzmann?
So again you believe as crick! Funny

And yes density affects absorption and emissions. So does temperature

Yeah, I believe in basic physics. Funny.
The real kind, not the smart photon kind.

And yes density affects absorption and emissions.

Where is density in the Stefan-Boltzmann formula?
all math and no experiment. I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm. you got any yet? I've been asking you for some time. Any? 0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2.
Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?
Is it four feet off the surface? one mile off the surface?
is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?
Why is it then the higher one goes in the atmosphere the cooler it gets?
Is the pressure the same high up as down near the surface?
Does CO2 rise even though it is heavier than air?
If CO2 which is mixed in the atmosphere and carries heat, why can't we see the hot spot?
Still hasn't been produced bubba.
Does CO2 heat the atmosphere or does CO2 heat itself?

all math and no experiment.

I guess you could show the math is wrong.

I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm.

Why would you need to eliminate those variables?

Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?

CO2 is everywhere in the atmosphere.

is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?


No
 
No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface. And that isn't slowing down IR. Does the gas get more dense as it rises?

Does density change absorption?

No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface

The radiation that hits the surface will warm the surface.

And that isn't slowing down IR.


If it doesn't instantly escape into space, it has been slowed down.

Does the gas get more dense as it rises?


Density has what to do with radiation? Remember Stefan-Boltzmann?
So again you believe as crick! Funny

And yes density affects absorption and emissions. So does temperature

Yeah, I believe in basic physics. Funny.
The real kind, not the smart photon kind.

And yes density affects absorption and emissions.

Where is density in the Stefan-Boltzmann formula?
all math and no experiment. I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm. you got any yet? I've been asking you for some time. Any? 0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2.
Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?
Is it four feet off the surface? one mile off the surface?
is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?
Why is it then the higher one goes in the atmosphere the cooler it gets?
Is the pressure the same high up as down near the surface?
Does CO2 rise even though it is heavier than air?
If CO2 which is mixed in the atmosphere and carries heat, why can't we see the hot spot?
Still hasn't been produced bubba.
Does CO2 heat the atmosphere or does CO2 heat itself?

all math and no experiment.

I guess you could show the math is wrong.

I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm.

Why would you need to eliminate those variables?

Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?

CO2 is everywhere in the atmosphere.

is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?


No
Is CO2 heavier than air?
 
No it isn't cause you've net proven it will warm the surface

The radiation that hits the surface will warm the surface.

And that isn't slowing down IR.


If it doesn't instantly escape into space, it has been slowed down.

Does the gas get more dense as it rises?


Density has what to do with radiation? Remember Stefan-Boltzmann?
So again you believe as crick! Funny

And yes density affects absorption and emissions. So does temperature

Yeah, I believe in basic physics. Funny.
The real kind, not the smart photon kind.

And yes density affects absorption and emissions.

Where is density in the Stefan-Boltzmann formula?
all math and no experiment. I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm. you got any yet? I've been asking you for some time. Any? 0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2.
Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?
Is it four feet off the surface? one mile off the surface?
is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?
Why is it then the higher one goes in the atmosphere the cooler it gets?
Is the pressure the same high up as down near the surface?
Does CO2 rise even though it is heavier than air?
If CO2 which is mixed in the atmosphere and carries heat, why can't we see the hot spot?
Still hasn't been produced bubba.
Does CO2 heat the atmosphere or does CO2 heat itself?

all math and no experiment.

I guess you could show the math is wrong.

I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm.

Why would you need to eliminate those variables?

Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?

CO2 is everywhere in the atmosphere.

is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?


No
Is CO2 heavier than air?

Gases - Densities
 
So again you believe as crick! Funny

And yes density affects absorption and emissions. So does temperature

Yeah, I believe in basic physics. Funny.
The real kind, not the smart photon kind.

And yes density affects absorption and emissions.

Where is density in the Stefan-Boltzmann formula?
all math and no experiment. I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm. you got any yet? I've been asking you for some time. Any? 0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2.
Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?
Is it four feet off the surface? one mile off the surface?
is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?
Why is it then the higher one goes in the atmosphere the cooler it gets?
Is the pressure the same high up as down near the surface?
Does CO2 rise even though it is heavier than air?
If CO2 which is mixed in the atmosphere and carries heat, why can't we see the hot spot?
Still hasn't been produced bubba.
Does CO2 heat the atmosphere or does CO2 heat itself?

all math and no experiment.

I guess you could show the math is wrong.

I agree, where is the experiment that eliminates density, when density, pressure, gravity and conduction contributes to keeping the planet warm.

Why would you need to eliminate those variables?

Where is it located, how many meters up is there CO2, is it equal between all the layers?

CO2 is everywhere in the atmosphere.

is the temperature of the CO2 molecule the same at each location?


No
Is CO2 heavier than air?

Gases - Densities
yep
 
yep what?

I think he's trying to claim that CO2 doesn't slow the escape of infrared radiation because it's denser than air.
Or maybe it doesn't radiate toward the ground because it's denser than air.

Or some other idiocy.
or heavier than air and that gravity would come into play since heavy objects have a tendency to fall to the ground. How else do plants photosynthesize the CO2 if it were in the atmosphere miles up? Or the oceans absorb CO2?
 
yep what?

I think he's trying to claim that CO2 doesn't slow the escape of infrared radiation because it's denser than air.
Or maybe it doesn't radiate toward the ground because it's denser than air.

Or some other idiocy.
or heavier than air and that gravity would come into play since heavy objects have a tendency to fall to the ground. How else do plants photosynthesize the CO2 if it were in the atmosphere miles up? Or the oceans absorb CO2?

CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas....because gravity?
 
Holy Fuck! Is jc stupid, or what?

The concentration of CO2 is one of the basic tenets of AGW. It is empirical data that has been measured. At all heights of the atmosphere.

As per usual, he has taken one minor factor and excluded the others to convince himself that the atmosphere should be totally stratified by molecular weight in our gravity field. Moronic.

Of course there are similarities to the warmer's position that CO2 is the main factor in temperature control, while ignoring the other factors and pathways.
 
If someone says "main factor", does that not clearly and unequivocally imply that they accept the existence of other factors?
 
Holy Fuck! Is jc stupid, or what?

The concentration of CO2 is one of the basic tenets of AGW. It is empirical data that has been measured. At all heights of the atmosphere.

As per usual, he has taken one minor factor and excluded the others to convince himself that the atmosphere should be totally stratified by molecular weight in our gravity field. Moronic.

Of course there are similarities to the warmer's position that CO2 is the main factor in temperature control, while ignoring the other factors and pathways.
so you don't believe in conduction? Is that what you're saying? That CO2 is worth 33C to the surface? Really? 0.04% of the atmosphere? hahahaahahahahahaaha. It's why you can't prove it, support it or whatever it. As I've stated over and over in here, there is no greenhouse effect that holds us to that 33C to the surface.
 
yep what?

I think he's trying to claim that CO2 doesn't slow the escape of infrared radiation because it's denser than air.
Or maybe it doesn't radiate toward the ground because it's denser than air.

Or some other idiocy.
or heavier than air and that gravity would come into play since heavy objects have a tendency to fall to the ground. How else do plants photosynthesize the CO2 if it were in the atmosphere miles up? Or the oceans absorb CO2?

CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas....because gravity?
CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas cause there is no such a thing. A greenhouse is not one because of CO2 gases. It is a greenhouse because of loss of conduction. wow!!!
 
yep what?

I think he's trying to claim that CO2 doesn't slow the escape of infrared radiation because it's denser than air.
Or maybe it doesn't radiate toward the ground because it's denser than air.

Or some other idiocy.
or heavier than air and that gravity would come into play since heavy objects have a tendency to fall to the ground. How else do plants photosynthesize the CO2 if it were in the atmosphere miles up? Or the oceans absorb CO2?

CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas....because gravity?
CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas cause there is no such a thing. A greenhouse is not one because of CO2 gases. It is a greenhouse because of loss of conduction. wow!!!

CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas cause there is no such a thing.

Does CO2 absorb IR?
 

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