What Would Be So Awful About Overturning Roe v. Wade & Saving Unborn Children's Lives?

[Picaro]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands or tens of thousands of unborn babies' lives?

Roe v. Wade was based on junk science, junk law, and on the myth of an epidemic of "back alley abortions." Legalized elective abortion is far more of a stain on our nation's history than slavery was. The number of babies killed by abortion dwarfs the number of slaves who were killed by abusive slaveholders.

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, state governments would retake control of the issue. Some states would legalize all abortion except partial-birth abortion (which is illegal under federal law). Other states would place significant restrictions on abortion. And some states would ban most or all abortions. Undoubtedly, thousands or tens of thousands of babies would be saved from abortion.

If women were really determined to kill their babies for their own convenience (i.e., elective abortion), they could always go to a state where elective abortion were legal.

Debunking the myth of ‘back-alley’ abortions

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Chilean Study Proves that Outlawing Abortion Does Not Lead to "Coat-hanger Deaths"

https://www.mccl.org/single-post/2017/01/20/The-three-fundamental-problems-with-Roe-v-Wade

Science Has Advanced Since Roe v. Wade But Abortion Laws Haven’t

It's a scientific fact: Human life begins at conception

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

When Does Life Begin | Just The Facts

Leftists just Loooove them some advanced European socialist nations, so we should at least do what they do: we should limit abortions to 12-14 weeks. We are one of the few nations in all the world that allows abortion right through all nine months of pregnancy, which is barbaric.

I'm against abortion at any stage of pregnancy, but if we could at least limit it to the first trimester, it would be a start. What say you, liberals? Like Europe does.

Well, the next phase of the agenda is 'after birth abortion', allowing babies up to two years old to be murdered, if the parents decide they just don't like kids after all.

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?


Failing to bring a new person into existence cannot be compared with the wrong caused by procuring the death of an existing person. The reason is that, unlike the case of death of an existing person, failing to bring a new person into existence does not prevent anyone from accomplishing any of her future aims. However, this consideration entails a much stronger idea than the one according to which severely handicapped children should be euthanised. If the death of a newborn is not wrongful to her on the grounds that she cannot have formed any aim that she is prevented from accomplishing, then it should also be permissible to practise an after-birth abortion on a healthy newborn too, given that she has not formed any aim yet.

There are two reasons which, taken together, justify this claim:

1. The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus, that is, neither can be considered a ‘person’ in a morally relevant sense.
   
   
2. It is not possible to damage a newborn by preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person in the morally relevant sense.
   

We are going to justify these two points in the following two sections.

The same 'rationalcysts' that also want to .normalize' pedophilia also would love to see this one get 'normalized'.

Hey! It's like, Science n stuff! can't go wrong with Science stuff, you know!

 

[Picaro]

Picaro: what are you resisting? A serious conversation among adults?.

Do you know any? Doesn't appear you do know any adults. Why do you think women are too incapable of self-control? Just because you've never been able to practice it doesn't make it a universal amoral weakness.

 

[Lysistrata]

Picaro: what are you resisting? A serious conversation among adults?.

Do you know any? Doesn't appear you do know any adults. Why do you think women are too incapable of self-control?

You are full of shit by thinking that human sexuality may be reduced to "self control." "Self contol" among husbands and wives??? Boyfriends and girlfriends?

Please be aware that heterosexual humans engage in intercourse for reasons unrelated to procreation.

Please be aware that female people have eggs inside them and that male people have sperm inside of them that may penetrate the female egg and cause a pregnancy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Some people seem to be pretending that putting a woman's choice about her reproduction above the state's right to decide for her is "leftist".
Ridiculous.

Dude, abortion on demand is a plank in the Democrat political platform, and is NOT a plank in the Republican political platform.

Tells me it's an idea emanating from the left of the political spectrum, not the right.

 

[Asclepias]

Some people seem to be pretending that putting a woman's choice about her reproduction above the state's right to decide for her is "leftist".
Ridiculous.

Some people avidly avoid admitting throwing her legs open and getting knocked up is the reproductive choice, and refuse to acknowledge that abortion is just murdering the kid after the choice, not 'reproductive choice'.

Since having sex is also a recreation you sound like an idiot.

 

[there4eyeM]

Only women give birth to humans. Only women give certain death to the human born. No other human bears that responsibility, nor is he in a position to interpose.

 

[Richard-H]

One aspect of the effect of making abortion illegal is that we are now an abortion based economy & society.

Before abortion was made legal, people got married young - often times in their teens. Women would start having babies at an early age. This is how it had been since the beginning of time. This was possible because in most societies any young man that was willing do do a hard day's labor could bring home enough money to house, feed and clothe a family.

Since abortion has been legal, the level of education and job skills needed to support a family has sky rocketed. It now takes 2 college educated people to live a middle-class life - and then to have only 2 to 3 children. Young people know that they can not afford a family until their mid to late twenties.

This means that young women must have abortions or be condemned to a life of poverty. For all we say that we are 'Pro-choice', in fact economic realities dictate that young women DO NOT have any choice - they HAVE to get abortions.

Perhaps if Conservatives would support increasing salaries and wages to the point that young people could afford to have families again, making abortion illegal would be economically feasible.

But until that happens, making abortion illegal will cause a socio-economic disaster on a massive scale.

Of course, Conservative's beloved cognitive dissonance will blind them to this reality.

The love of money over human beings eh ?? Got it... You didn't know that poor kid that grew up to be a millionaire did ya ??

Are you truly that simple? Hundreds of thousands of people living in poverty because one in ten thousands may succeed?

Republicans should actually take responsibility for their actions instead of just preaching.

Cognitive dissonance is awfully convenient, isn't it?

Everything is really that simple until the Demon-crats or whoever else wants to try and complicate something with "it depends on what the definition of is, is"...... People see right through the bullcrap now, so keep on making fools of yourselves.

The fact that you think that everything is simple proves that you are simple.

NOTHING is simple. Everything has complex repercussions. Concepts like 'cause and effect' and 'Action and Reaction' are apparently beyond you.

Of course it's easy for you to ignore the effects of what you promote. You apparently do not want to take responsibility for your actions at all.

I'm anti-abortion, but I think thru the repercussions of making abortion illegal and want our society and government to be ready to take on the responsibilities for what will happen before considering ever making it illegal again.

You're anti-abortion, but you advocate keeping the killing going until the two parties come to a consensus on how to stop it ???

Good grief... Hold your breath until that time comes ok.

As far as the law is concerned, abortions are not 'killing'. The fetus is considered to be an appendage of the mother, not an individual.

This is not something that I agree with. I believe that as soon as the embryo/fetus has DNA that is unique from that of the mother, it is an individual and should be protected as such under the Constitution. That's a legal argument that justifies over-turning 'settled' law.

According to Justice Roberts (if I remember correctly from his senate hearings), new evidence and new technology justify over turning settled law. Since DNA analysis did not exist at the time of Roe v. Wade, it would be considered new evidence based on new technology.

I also believe that we have a responsibility to consider the repercussions of making abortion illegal again. I believe that we need public childcare centers, job training programs for unwed and young mothers, and a very large increases in the wages and salaries of young workers.

Otherwise making abortion illegal will, at best, herald in a massive increase in prostitution, and at worst a humanitarian disaster of massive proportions.

 

[abu afak]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands or tens of thousands of unborn babies' lives?

Roe v. Wade was based on junk science, junk law, and on the myth of an epidemic of "back alley abortions." Legalized elective abortion is far more of a stain on our nation's history than slavery was. The number of babies killed by abortion dwarfs the number of slaves who were killed by abusive slaveholders.

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, state governments would retake control of the issue. Some states would legalize all abortion except partial-birth abortion (which is illegal under federal law). Other states would place significant restrictions on abortion. And some states would ban most or all abortions. Undoubtedly, thousands or tens of thousands of babies would be saved from abortion.

If women were really determined to kill their babies for their own convenience (i.e., elective abortion), they could always go to a state where elective abortion were legal.

Debunking the myth of ‘back-alley’ abortions

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Chilean Study Proves that Outlawing Abortion Does Not Lead to "Coat-hanger Deaths"

https://www.mccl.org/single-post/2017/01/20/The-three-fundamental-problems-with-Roe-v-Wade

Science Has Advanced Since Roe v. Wade But Abortion Laws Haven’t

It's a scientific fact: Human life begins at conception

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

When Does Life Begin | Just The Facts

THE ABORTED CRIME WAVE?
A controversial article links the recent drop in crime to the legalization of abortion two decades ago
By Marguerite Holloway
Dec 1999/Scientific American
US: The Aborted Crime Wave?

Since the early 1990s crime has fallen annually in the U.S., last year by about 7%. Many explanations have been put forward for this drop: more police walk the beat, more people are in prison, the economy has improved, crack use has fallen, alarms and guards are now widespread. The emphasis given to any one of these rationales varies, of course, according to philosophical bent or political expediency. In New York City, for instance, plummeting crime has been attributed to improved policing. Yet the decline exists even in cities that have not altered their approach, such as Los Angeles.

The above explanations are unsatisfactory to many researchers, among them two economists who have studied crime. Steven D. Levitt of the University of Chicago and John J. Donohue III, currently at Yale University, have proffered an alternative reason: the legalization of abortion in 1973 reduced the number of unwanted children--that is, children more likely to become criminals. In 1992, the first year crime began to fall, the first set of children born after 1973 turned 18. Because most crimes are committed by young adult males between the ages of 18 and 24, Levitt and Donohue argue that the absence of millions of unwanted children led to fewer crimes being done by that age group. In total, the researchers maintain, the advent of legal abortion may be responsible for up to 50% of the drop in crime.
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Indeed, Levitt and Donohue are not the first to connect crime and abortion. As they note in their paper, a former Minneapolis police chief made the same suggestion several years ago. But they are the first to examine data to determine whether there could be a correlation. They looked at how crime rates differed for states that legalized abortion before the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Roe v. Wade: New York, Washington, Alaska and Hawaii. In those states, crime began to drop a few years before it did in the rest of the country, and states with higher abortion rates have had steeper drops in crime. Fewer unwanted children, the two conclude, ultimately means fewer crimes.

Image: Sarah L. Donelson
CRIME RATES dropped after 1991, just when children born after Roe v. Wade would be reaching 18. ​

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Picture 50-70 MILLION More unwanteds.
Picture Doubling the Prison population, Police, Courts, Welfare, Budgets, etc
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[Wyatt earp]

Picaro: what are you resisting? A serious conversation among adults?.

Do you know any? Doesn't appear you do know any adults. Why do you think women are too incapable of self-control?

You are full of shit by thinking that human sexuality may be reduced to "self control." "Self contol" among husbands and wives??? Boyfriends and girlfriends?

Please be aware that heterosexual humans engage in intercourse for reasons unrelated to procreation.

Please be aware that female people have eggs inside them and that male people have sperm inside of them that may penetrate the female egg and cause a pregnancy.

What are you an animal, yes self control...



I remember one time when a " girl as a friend" got drunk as hell together and we ended up getting busy..


She wanted to fuck so bad and I almost penetrated her, but had self control and didn't want to ruin our friend ship.



.

 

[Richard-H]

Some people seem to be pretending that putting a woman's choice about her reproduction above the state's right to decide for her is "leftist".
Ridiculous.

Some people avidly avoid admitting throwing her legs open and getting knocked up is the reproductive choice, and refuse to acknowledge that abortion is just murdering the kid after the choice, not 'reproductive choice'.

Since having sex is also a recreation you sound like an idiot.

Having sex solely for recreation is very much like having an eating disorder.

The primary purpose for eating is nutrition. It's O.K. to have some junk food now and then, but people who forget that the primary purpose of eating is nuittrition and who eat ONLY junk food have an eating disorder.

Similarly, people who only have sex for recreation and who forget the it's primary purpose is procreation suffer from a sexual disorder.

Besides, for young healthy women, having sex without respect for it's primary purpose, is a LIE.

Birth control and abortion are stop gap measures, eventually these the vast majority women either have babies or become barren.

 

[RealDave]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands or tens of thousands of unborn babies' lives?

Roe v. Wade was based on junk science, junk law, and on the myth of an epidemic of "back alley abortions." Legalized elective abortion is far more of a stain on our nation's history than slavery was. The number of babies killed by abortion dwarfs the number of slaves who were killed by abusive slaveholders.

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, state governments would retake control of the issue. Some states would legalize all abortion except partial-birth abortion (which is illegal under federal law). Other states would place significant restrictions on abortion. And some states would ban most or all abortions. Undoubtedly, thousands or tens of thousands of babies would be saved from abortion.

If women were really determined to kill their babies for their own convenience (i.e., elective abortion), they could always go to a state where elective abortion were legal.

Debunking the myth of ‘back-alley’ abortions

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Chilean Study Proves that Outlawing Abortion Does Not Lead to "Coat-hanger Deaths"

https://www.mccl.org/single-post/2017/01/20/The-three-fundamental-problems-with-Roe-v-Wade

Science Has Advanced Since Roe v. Wade But Abortion Laws Haven’t

It's a scientific fact: Human life begins at conception

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

When Does Life Begin | Just The Facts

And what happens to these unwaned children? Republicans don't want to take care of the poor now? They keep wanting to cut food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare now.

We know the rich & upper middle class will still get abortions. These unwanted babies will be born the poorer people. Are you wuiklling to comnmiut to increase funding that will help take care of these kids?

If men could get pregnant, Walmart would offer abortions at $59.95.

We are noit talking bsbies, we are talking fetuses. Learn the difference.

 

[RealDave]

Picaro: what are you resisting? A serious conversation among adults?.

Do you know any? Doesn't appear you do know any adults. Why do you think women are too incapable of self-control?

You are full of shit by thinking that human sexuality may be reduced to "self control." "Self contol" among husbands and wives??? Boyfriends and girlfriends?

Please be aware that heterosexual humans engage in intercourse for reasons unrelated to procreation.

Please be aware that female people have eggs inside them and that male people have sperm inside of them that may penetrate the female egg and cause a pregnancy.

What are you an animal, yes self control...



I remember one time when a " girl as a friend" got drunk as hell together and we ended up getting busy..


She wanted to fuck so bad and I almost penetrated her, but had self control and didn't want to ruin our friend ship.



.

She must have really really really drunk..,

 

[Asclepias]

Some people seem to be pretending that putting a woman's choice about her reproduction above the state's right to decide for her is "leftist".
Ridiculous.

Some people avidly avoid admitting throwing her legs open and getting knocked up is the reproductive choice, and refuse to acknowledge that abortion is just murdering the kid after the choice, not 'reproductive choice'.

Since having sex is also a recreation you sound like an idiot.

Having sex solely for recreation is very much like having an eating disorder.

The primary purpose for eating is nutrition. It's O.K. to have some junk food now and then, but people who forget that the primary purpose of eating is nuittrition and who eat ONLY junk food have an eating disorder.

Similarly, people who only have sex for recreation and who forget the it's primary purpose is procreation suffer from a sexual disorder.

Besides, for young healthy women, having sex without respect for it's primary purpose, is a LIE.

Birth control and abortion are stop gap measures, eventually these the vast majority women either have babies or become barren.

No having sex is nothing like eating. If you dont have sex you can still live. If you dont eat you die. Sex serves multiple purposes. Having sex for recreation is not a disorder. If having sex to procreate was the primary reason, women would get pregnant every time they had sex. All we have to do is look to nature to see this.

 

[Asclepias]

Picaro: what are you resisting? A serious conversation among adults?.

Do you know any? Doesn't appear you do know any adults. Why do you think women are too incapable of self-control?

You are full of shit by thinking that human sexuality may be reduced to "self control." "Self contol" among husbands and wives??? Boyfriends and girlfriends?

Please be aware that heterosexual humans engage in intercourse for reasons unrelated to procreation.

Please be aware that female people have eggs inside them and that male people have sperm inside of them that may penetrate the female egg and cause a pregnancy.

What are you an animal, yes self control...



I remember one time when a " girl as a friend" got drunk as hell together and we ended up getting busy..


She wanted to fuck so bad and I almost penetrated her, but had self control and didn't want to ruin our friend ship.



.

All humans are animals. Thats why we do the same things other animals do.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Picaro: what are you resisting? A serious conversation among adults?.

Do you know any? Doesn't appear you do know any adults. Why do you think women are too incapable of self-control?

You are full of shit by thinking that human sexuality may be reduced to "self control." "Self contol" among husbands and wives??? Boyfriends and girlfriends?

Please be aware that heterosexual humans engage in intercourse for reasons unrelated to procreation.

Please be aware that female people have eggs inside them and that male people have sperm inside of them that may penetrate the female egg and cause a pregnancy.

We are aware of both those things. Also, unlike you, we're aware that the second one should actually influence the first.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Only women give birth to humans. Only women give certain death to the human born. No other human bears that responsibility, nor is he in a position to interpose.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but YOU'RE not a woman. So why are you shooting off your non-female mouth on the subject?

If you really want to reduce this to a conversation that only women can have, I think the female pro-lifers on this board will be happy to take on the female pro-aborts. Heck, I'll be willing to do it singlehandedly. You "neutral" men can sit and watch and eat popcorn.

 

[JWBooth]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands <snip>

It would deprive the GOP of a valuable fundraising tool

 

[Cecilie1200]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands or tens of thousands of unborn babies' lives?

Roe v. Wade was based on junk science, junk law, and on the myth of an epidemic of "back alley abortions." Legalized elective abortion is far more of a stain on our nation's history than slavery was. The number of babies killed by abortion dwarfs the number of slaves who were killed by abusive slaveholders.

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, state governments would retake control of the issue. Some states would legalize all abortion except partial-birth abortion (which is illegal under federal law). Other states would place significant restrictions on abortion. And some states would ban most or all abortions. Undoubtedly, thousands or tens of thousands of babies would be saved from abortion.

If women were really determined to kill their babies for their own convenience (i.e., elective abortion), they could always go to a state where elective abortion were legal.

Debunking the myth of ‘back-alley’ abortions

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Chilean Study Proves that Outlawing Abortion Does Not Lead to "Coat-hanger Deaths"

https://www.mccl.org/single-post/2017/01/20/The-three-fundamental-problems-with-Roe-v-Wade

Science Has Advanced Since Roe v. Wade But Abortion Laws Haven’t

It's a scientific fact: Human life begins at conception

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

When Does Life Begin | Just The Facts

And what happens to these unwaned children? Republicans don't want to take care of the poor now? They keep wanting to cut food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare now.

We know the rich & upper middle class will still get abortions. These unwanted babies will be born the poorer people. Are you wuiklling to comnmiut to increase funding that will help take care of these kids?

If men could get pregnant, Walmart would offer abortions at $59.95.

We are noit talking bsbies, we are talking fetuses. Learn the difference.

I just heard, "It's all about the government! You can't care about people without massive government spending! We have to kill babies if we don't get higher taxes!"

Weird.

I'm also not sure if I should laugh or vomit at this pervasive notion that men are all cold, selfish bastards who don't give a damn about human life. It seems very twisted to me that I, as a woman, have a higher opinion of men than a man does.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands <snip>

It would deprive the GOP of a valuable fundraising tool

I think we can find a way to work around it. Why don't we try it and find out?

 

[Lysistrata]

Some people seem to be pretending that putting a woman's choice about her reproduction above the state's right to decide for her is "leftist".
Ridiculous.

Dude, abortion on demand is a plank in the Democrat political platform, and is NOT a plank in the Republican political platform.

Tells me it's an idea emanating from the left of the political spectrum, not the right.

Complaining that something is "on demand" shows ignorance at best and a willingness to submit to government control at worst. Everything is "on demand" unless one is unconscious in an emergency room.

These big-government types are incredible.