What you should know about Islam

[rylah]

The Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian peninsula who arrived in Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia and the Levant 6000 years ago long before Islam and Judaism..

The extent of revisionist lies you'll go to compensate for the lack of anything to offer,
and the mass degradation of Islam - knows no bottom.
No moral or intellectual integrity whatsoever.

That's why Islam is not truly universal
and won't survive without reform.

When you set to convert all to Islam - is a fundamentally self defeating objective,
in which you loose the very possibility to eventually lead humanity from the get go.

And indeed the least in numbers,
see their enemies fall in every generation,
and the least concerned about converting anyone.

 

[Rigby5]

Thanks for confirming you have neither moral integrity
nor a slightest ability to refute anything.

So if you're bragging about Jiziyah
as your standard of tolerance - now what % do Muslims start paying
to non-Muslims in their countries, so that they're not spared the same privilege?

You are just totally wrong about everything.
Your own video says Jews were not removed from the Arabian Peninsula.
I would have looked it up to find out if I had to, but your own video made that unnecessary.

And yes the jizya is ethical.
It is the exact same 10% tithing that Moslem pay at the Mosque.
Since in non-Moslem countries, taxes are not paid at a religious institution, then there is no need for a jizya.
But in Moslem countries, you pay your taxes to the Mosque because they are the ones who take care of widows and orphans.
When non-Moslem countries take care of widows and orphans, then they are deserved taxes as well.

 

[Rigby5]

To memorize those mindless talking points is one thing,
but you don't even remotely understand what you're talking about.

Now tell us, would Islam be content with seven Noahide laws,
or seeks to convert all humanity to Islam?

Islam most definitely does NOT encourage conversions and does not invade.

 

[Rigby5]

The extent of revisionist lies you'll go to compensate for the lack of anything to offer,
and the mass degradation of Islam- knows no bottom.
No moral or intellectual integrity whatsoever.

That's why Islam can't offer anything truly universal
and won't survive without reform.

Oh come on.
Jews won't even admit the Hebrew were Arabs.
Talk about ignorance or duplicity.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We were discussing the ownership of land of whole invaded countries, not just the small minorities like the Germans deported from the Sudetenland and Poland.

We were talking about land never being taken. I'm glad to point out your error.

I do not know much about the Germans deported from eastern Europe, but it could have been to balance earlier violations when the land was originally taken?

It's okay to take land to "balance earlier violations"?

Not a war crime?

Anyway, it was small and not common.

It was several times larger than all the Arabs who left Palestine after Israel declared independence.

The Ottoman gave up any land they did claim in Palestine, to the Allies, but that was the Palestinians.

Not so much.

The Palestinians fought on the Allied side and did most of the fighting in the Mideast,

How many? Couple of dozen?

The Palestinians were not squatters but owners, and did not pay rent to any Ottoman. They only paid taxes.

A few paid, the rest were squatters.

Sure the Moslem conquest happened, but it did not change any population.

A conquest with no army? Weird.

The Moslem conquest was an army sweeping through, but they left.

Like they left Sicily and Spain?

Man, I'm telling you, late night......you'd clean up!!!

 

[Rigby5]

We were talking about land never being taken. I'm glad to point out your error.

I do not know much about the Germans deported from eastern Europe, but it could have been to balance earlier violations when the land was originally taken?

It's okay to take land to "balance earlier violations"?

Not a war crime?

Anyway, it was small and not common.

It was several times larger than all the Arabs who left Palestine after Israel declared independence.

The Ottoman gave up any land they did claim in Palestine, to the Allies, but that was the Palestinians.

Not so much.

The Palestinians fought on the Allied side and did most of the fighting in the Mideast,

How many? Couple of dozen?

The Palestinians were not squatters but owners, and did not pay rent to any Ottoman. They only paid taxes.

A few paid, the rest were squatters.

Sure the Moslem conquest happened, but it did not change any population.

A conquest with no army? Weird.

The Moslem conquest was an army sweeping through, but they left.

Like they left Sicily and Spain?

Man, I'm telling you, late night......you'd clean up!!!

Wrong.
The Palestinians forced from their homes at pain of death by the Zionists was over 50%.

Then Arabs fighting with Lawrence of Arabia was as many as 10,000.

None of the Palestinians could be squatters because their ancestors predated the Ottoman invasion.

A conquest with an army does not stop in the conquered land and disband.
They either go on to conquer somewhere else, or go back home.

And yes, the Moors left the Iberian Peninsula,
And the Moslem conquest of Sicily was beneficial.
{...
The Muslim conquest of Sicily began in June 827 and lasted until 902, when the last major Byzantine stronghold on the island, Taormina, fell. Isolated fortresses remained in Byzantine hands until 965, but the island was henceforth under Muslim rule until conquered in turn by the Normans in the 11th century.
...
Under Muslim rule, Sicily prospered and eventually detached itself from Ifriqiya to form a semi-independent emirate. The island's Muslim community survived the Norman conquest in the 1060s and even prospered under the Norman kings, giving birth to a unique cultural mix, until it was deported to Lucera in the 1220s after a failed uprising.
...}

Muslim conquest of Sicily - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
The Palestinians forced from their homes at pain of death by the Zionists was over 50%.

Then Arabs fighting with Lawrence of Arabia was as many as 10,000.

None of the Palestinians could be squatters because their ancestors predated the Ottoman invasion.

A conquest with an army does not stop in the conquered land and disband.
They either go on to conquer somewhere else, or go back home.

And yes, the Moors left the Iberian Peninsula,
And the Moslem conquest of Sicily was beneficial.
{...
The Muslim conquest of Sicily began in June 827 and lasted until 902, when the last major Byzantine stronghold on the island, Taormina, fell. Isolated fortresses remained in Byzantine hands until 965, but the island was henceforth under Muslim rule until conquered in turn by the Normans in the 11th century.
...
Under Muslim rule, Sicily prospered and eventually detached itself from Ifriqiya to form a semi-independent emirate. The island's Muslim community survived the Norman conquest in the 1060s and even prospered under the Norman kings, giving birth to a unique cultural mix, until it was deported to Lucera in the 1220s after a failed uprising.
...}

Muslim conquest of Sicily - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Palestinians forced from their homes at pain of death by the Zionists was over 50%.

How many? Numbers.

Then Arabs fighting with Lawrence of Arabia was as many as 10,000.

You lied and said palestinians.

None of the Palestinians could be squatters because their ancestors predated the Ottoman invasion.

When they didn't pay taxes, they were squatters.

A conquest with an army does not stop in the conquered land and disband.
They either go on to conquer somewhere else, or go back home.

Or they stay. Like in Spain. And Sicily.

And yes, the Moors left the Iberian Peninsula,

When?

 

[rylah]

You are just totally wrong about everything.
Your own video says Jews were not removed from the Arabian Peninsula.
I would have looked it up to find out if I had to, but your own video made that unnecessary.

Boy you just can't help digging your hole deeper
with that compulsion to claim the opposite
of whatever you can't defend or refute.

that genius,
is what you have posted

"Expulsion of the Jews from Khaybar​

During the reign of Caliph Umar (634–644), the Jewish community of Khaybar
were transported alongside the Christian community of Najran
to the newly conquered regions of Syria and Iraq."

And yes the jizya is ethical.
It is the exact same 10% tithing that Moslem pay at the Mosque.
Since in non-Moslem countries, taxes are not paid at a religious institution, then there is no need for a jizya.
But in Moslem countries, you pay your taxes to the Mosque because they are the ones who take care of widows and orphans.
When non-Moslem countries take care of widows and orphans, then they are deserved taxes as well.

Ethical, I see...

so to reach that ideal ethical level,
how much Jizyah do now Muslims pay to non-Muslims?

 

[Rigby5]

The Palestinians forced from their homes at pain of death by the Zionists was over 50%.

How many? Numbers.

Then Arabs fighting with Lawrence of Arabia was as many as 10,000.

You lied and said palestinians.

None of the Palestinians could be squatters because their ancestors predated the Ottoman invasion.

When they didn't pay taxes, they were squatters.

A conquest with an army does not stop in the conquered land and disband.
They either go on to conquer somewhere else, or go back home.

Or they stay. Like in Spain. And Sicily.

And yes, the Moors left the Iberian Peninsula,

When?

That is the whole point, that numbers do not matter, since an invader could leave a small % for purposes of domination and tribute.
And how oppressive it would be needs to be based on %, not totals.
The population of Palestine was small because it is sparse, dry, land.
But clearly Zionist massacres forced as many as half the Palestinians to flee for their lives.
The fact they have not been allowed to return is a constant condemnation of the Israelis, forever.
It totally nullifies any possible legality they might have otherwise had.

The Palestinians definitely fought under Lawrence.
Such as the capture of Aqaba.
But other Arabs joined in towards the assault on Damascus.

Palestinians always paid their taxes. If not, then they would have been evicted for nonpayment of taxes.
That did not happen.
And you are wrong, that the Moors stayed in the Iberian Peninsula, or Sicily.
The majority of the fighters went back home.

 

[rylah]

That is the whole point, that numbers do not matter, since an invader could leave a small % for purposes of domination and tribute.
And how oppressive it would be needs to be based on %, not totals.
The population of Palestine was small because it is sparse, dry, land.
But clearly Zionist massacres forced as many as half the Palestinians to flee for their lives.
The fact they have not been allowed to return is a constant condemnation of the Israelis, forever.
It totally nullifies any possible legality they might have otherwise had.

The Palestinians definitely fought under Lawrence.
Such as the capture of Aqaba.
But other Arabs joined in towards the assault on Damascus.

Palestinians always paid their taxes. If not, then they would have been evicted for nonpayment of taxes.
That did not happen.
And you are wrong, that the Moors stayed in the Iberian Peninsula, or Sicily.
The majority of the fighters went back home.

"But but but Joooooz"...how else...the answer to all your faults.
And you ask why the Arab world still in such degradation?

Maybe the correction to Islam after all is really
that Muslims pay Jizyah to non-Muslims.

Simply to do Islam to Muslims,
and then ask for opinion in 1400 years.

 

[Colin norris]

Sharia law in the US is limited to voluntary civil arbitrage between Muslims.. Like rabbinic council which we have had for over 200 years.

I'll ask again. Either you prove they are stoning people or shut your ignorant lyingmouth.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is the whole point, that numbers do not matter,

LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And yes, the Moors left the Iberian Peninsula,

When?

 

[rylah]

What compares to the 1400 years - and still going -
of the imperialist Islamic mass slavery?

Black History Month: Why Don't They Teach About the Arab-Muslim Slave Trade in Africa? - The Larry Elder Show

As for America’s annual Black History Month, actor Morgan Freeman spoke for many during this 2005 exchange with CBS’s Mike Wallace on “60 Minutes”: Wallace: “Black History Month, you find …” Freeman: “Ridiculous.” Wallace: “Why?” Freeman: “You’re going to relegate my history to a month?”...

larryelder.com

 

[rylah]

The goals of Islam around here in America is to sell a lot of bean pies, incense and Final Call newspapers.

How can one be so willfully naive?

“Black Lives Matter is our campaign” admits Executive Director​

of Council on American – Islamic Relations​

 

[Rigby5]

Boy you just can't help digging your hole deeper
with that compulsion to claim the opposite
of whatever you can't defend or refute.

that genius,
is what you have posted

"Expulsion of the Jews from Khaybar​

During the reign of Caliph Umar (634–644), the Jewish community of Khaybar
were transported alongside the Christian community of Najran
to the newly conquered regions of Syria and Iraq."


Ethical, I see...

so to reach that ideal ethical level,
how much Jizyah do now Muslims pay to non-Muslims?

You don't know what really happened to the Jews at Khaybar.
Here is a wiki section suggesting they were suspects, and that their treatment was not the same as other Jews.

{...
The Battle of Khaybar (Arabic: غَزْوَة خَيْبَر‎) was fought in 628 CE between the early Muslims led by Muhammad and Jews living in Khaybar, an oasis located 150 kilometres (93 mi) from Medina in the northwestern Arabian Peninsula (present-day Saudi Arabia). Jewish tribes reportedly arrived in the Hejaz region in the wake of the Jewish–Roman wars and introduced agriculture, putting them in a culturally, economically and politically dominant position.[4][5] According to Islamic sources, Muslim troops marched on Khaybar and attacked the native Jews who had barricaded themselves in forts.[6]

Islamic sources accuse the Jews of Khaybar of having plotted to unite with other Jewish tribes from Banu Wadi Qurra, Tayma and Fadak as well as with the Ghatafan (an Arab tribe) to mount an attack on Medina.[7] Scottish historian William M. Watt notes the presence in Khaybar of the Banu Nadir, who were working with neighbouring Arab tribes to protect themselves from Medina's Muslim community, who had earlier exiled Jewish tribes for violating the terms of the Charter of Medina and for conspiring to kill Muhammad.[8][9][10] Italian orientalist Laura V. Vaglieri claims other motives for the Muslim offensive might have included the prestige that the engagement would confer upon Muhammad among his followers, as well as the booty which could be used to supplement future campaigns.[11][12]

The battle ended with the surrender of the Khaybar Jews, who were then allowed to continue living in the region on the condition that they would give one-half of their produce to the Muslims. The Jews of Khaybar continued to live on the oasis for several more years, until they were expelled by the second Rashidun Caliph, Umar. The imposition of tribute by the Muslims onto the Jews served as a precedent for provisions in Islamic law, which requires the regular exaction of tribute—known as jizya—from dhimmi non-Muslim subjects living in areas under Muslim rule, as well as the confiscation of land belonging to non-Muslims to merge into the collective property of the Muslim community (Ummah).[11][13][14]
...}

And this account clearly says the Khaybar Jews were not like other Jews and were at least suspect of being guilty of things.
Which means most Jews were not expelled.

 

[rylah]

You don't know what really happened to the Jews at Khaybar.
Here is a wiki section suggesting they were suspects, and that their treatment was not the same as other Jews.

{...
The Battle of Khaybar (Arabic: غَزْوَة خَيْبَر‎) was fought in 628 CE between the early Muslims led by Muhammad and Jews living in Khaybar, an oasis located 150 kilometres (93 mi) from Medina in the northwestern Arabian Peninsula (present-day Saudi Arabia). Jewish tribes reportedly arrived in the Hejaz region in the wake of the Jewish–Roman wars and introduced agriculture, putting them in a culturally, economically and politically dominant position.[4][5] According to Islamic sources, Muslim troops marched on Khaybar and attacked the native Jews who had barricaded themselves in forts.[6]

Islamic sources accuse the Jews of Khaybar of having plotted to unite with other Jewish tribes from Banu Wadi Qurra, Tayma and Fadak as well as with the Ghatafan (an Arab tribe) to mount an attack on Medina.[7] Scottish historian William M. Watt notes the presence in Khaybar of the Banu Nadir, who were working with neighbouring Arab tribes to protect themselves from Medina's Muslim community, who had earlier exiled Jewish tribes for violating the terms of the Charter of Medina and for conspiring to kill Muhammad.[8][9][10] Italian orientalist Laura V. Vaglieri claims other motives for the Muslim offensive might have included the prestige that the engagement would confer upon Muhammad among his followers, as well as the booty which could be used to supplement future campaigns.[11][12]

The battle ended with the surrender of the Khaybar Jews, who were then allowed to continue living in the region on the condition that they would give one-half of their produce to the Muslims. The Jews of Khaybar continued to live on the oasis for several more years, until they were expelled by the second Rashidun Caliph, Umar. The imposition of tribute by the Muslims onto the Jews served as a precedent for provisions in Islamic law, which requires the regular exaction of tribute—known as jizya—from dhimmi non-Muslim subjects living in areas under Muslim rule, as well as the confiscation of land belonging to non-Muslims to merge into the collective property of the Muslim community (Ummah).[11][13][14]
...}

And this account clearly says the Khaybar Jews were not like other Jews and were at least suspect of being guilty of things.
Which means most Jews were not expelled.

Yeah, you went from "Muslims never invaded of expelled anyone"
to the "yes expelled, but we do not chant about the expulsion of all Jews"
to the typical last resort - "Muslim violence is always someone else's fault"...

So much for moral integrity.

I'm only quoting from Muslim sources:

I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sahih Muslim 1767a - The Book of Jihad and Expeditions - كتاب الجهاد والسير - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

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[Rigby5]

I'll ask again. Either you prove they are stoning people or shut your ignorant lyingmouth.

You are mixing up posters.
It was PolishPrince who put up the post about people getting stoned in MI.
I only saw empty plastic bottles being tossed.

 

[Rigby5]

Yeah, you went from "Muslims never invaded of expelled anyone"
to the "yes expelled, but we do not chant about the expulsion of all Jews"
to the typical last resort - "Muslim violence is always someone else's fault"...

I'm only quoting from Muslim sources:

I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sahih Muslim 1767a - The Book of Jihad and Expeditions - كتاب الجهاد والسير - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

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And you still have it all wrong.
First of all this is the Hadith and not the Quran, so is just a loose collection.
But it clearly not being totally included by what you quoted.
The whole quote is:
{... It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah ﷺ say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim. ...}
So no human is saying they will expel Jews.
It is a Messenger of God saying that.
So Moslems have nothing to do with it.

 

[rylah]

And you still have it all wrong.
First of all this is the Hadith and not the Quran, so is just a loose collection.
But it clearly not being totally included by what you quoted.
The whole quote is:
{... It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah ﷺ say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim. ...}
So no human is saying they will expel Jews.
It is a Messenger of God saying that.
So Moslems have nothing to do with it.

So you said Muslims never invaded or expelled anyone
but the Islamic 'messanger of god' says :

"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."

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then who is the bs artist
of the two of you?