When the economy WILL get worse years down the road, the whole political spectrum will support...

[Billy000]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

None of that is ever going to happen, what you should be concerning yourself with is all the doomsday scenarios from the 80's [Reagan years/policies],that have yet to be fulfilled, if it weren't for the media alerting us night and day to these disasters we would not even know they wiped us out.

 

[Oldstyle]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Sorry, Billy...you're still going to have to get up off your lazy ass and go to work...nice try though...

 

[Meathead]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Give it up Billy-boy. It's been tried and failed...repeatedly.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Are you on drugs?
If not you should be.

 

[007]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

You're a commie... move to Cuba... it's your utopia.

 

[Billy000]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Give it up Billy-boy. It's been tried and failed...repeatedly.

Oh really? Where and when?

 

[Billy000]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Sorry, Billy...you're still going to have to get up off your lazy ass and go to work...nice try though...

Yes, I can always expect a response like this. You can’t explain why I am wrong so you attempt a lame stereotype.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Universal Basic Income has already been attempted, and has failed, much like Socialism. Only economic illiterates still think Socialism would work. The government can't steal enough money to keep it going, and even if it could, it removes the incentive to work. This has been, and always will be, one of the biggest flaws in stealing money from those who work, and giving it to those who don't.

No, they're not. With every job that becomes obsolete due to automation, there will be more jobs building, maintaining, programming, and innovating the machines.

Climate change doesn't exist, otherwise they wouldn't need to falsify the data.

"Income Disparity" is not, and never has been a threat to anyone. People making different amounts of money is not a bad thing, as not every job, and not every person working those jobs, is worth the same. A "wealth gap" is only a talking point that is used to draw out a person's inner wealth envy.

Not even the majority of the Democratic Party supports his economically illiterate policies.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Give it up Billy-boy. It's been tried and failed...repeatedly.

Oh really? Where and when?

Finland Is Ending Its Universal Basic Income Experiment

Finland.

 

[007]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Sorry, Billy...you're still going to have to get up off your lazy ass and go to work...nice try though...

Yes, I can always expect a response like this. You can’t explain why I am wrong so you attempt a lame stereotype.

Give me all your money... and don't bitch... I want it now, because you're a commie, and you believe everyone should give all their money to other people... so give me all your money...

 

[007]

There is no way in HELL you can have a "universal income."

Two people, same job, one is a fuck off and the other works three times as hard. You think they deserve the same pay?

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Billy000]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Universal Basic Income has already been attempted, and has failed, much like Socialism. Only economic illiterates still think Socialism would work. The government can't steal enough money to keep it going, and even if it could, it removes the incentive to work. This has been, and always will be, one of the biggest flaws in stealing money from those who work, and giving it to those who don't.

No, they're not. With every job that becomes obsolete due to automation, there will be more jobs building, maintaining, programming, and innovating the machines.

Climate change doesn't exist, otherwise they wouldn't need to falsify the data.

"Income Disparity" is not, and never has been a threat to anyone. People making different amounts of money is not a bad thing, as not every job, and not every person working those jobs, is worth the same. A "wealth gap" is only a talking point that is used to draw out a person's inner wealth envy.

Not even the majority of the Democratic Party supports his economically illiterate policies.

It amazes me the way you think. I just don’t get it.

1) Where was it that it failed exactly? Do you even know? It wouldn’t take away the incentive to work because it alone wouldn’t be even close to live off of. And realistically, the government would only allow it if you had a low income that is way behind on the cost of living.

2) I don’t know the full story on this falsifying data story you’re talking about, but it ultimately means nothing because the large majority of peer-reviewed research on the subject says it exists. People really have to stop debating this topic. It’s so stupid. This isn’t a democrat thing - it’s a scientifically supported phenomenon.

3) See there’s a simple nuance you aren’t picking up on with what I am saying and it’s very puzzling. I am not at all suggesting we all get paid the same wage. What I am saying is that the income disparity has grown so wide that the poor are becoming poorer and the rich are becoming richer. The middle class is shrinking. This isn’t some envy concept which is such a lame argument. Let’s have a free market system with a wealthy class and middle class, but let’s also make it be sustainable to everyone.

4) The majority of the Democratic Party is bought by special interests - as are republicans.

 

[Billy000]

There is no way in HELL you can have a "universal income."

Two people, same job, one is a fuck off and the other works three times as hard. You think they deserve the same pay?

Go fuck yourself.

No, you dumb shit. That isn’t at all what I said. Nowhere in my post am I suggesting everyone gets paid the same.

 

[Billy000]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Give it up Billy-boy. It's been tried and failed...repeatedly.

Oh really? Where and when?

Finland Is Ending Its Universal Basic Income Experiment

Finland.

The system was poorly designed. The work requirement wasn’t adequate which is why it became on costly. This doesn’t somehow mean the entire idea is inherently flawed. It’s actually working pretty well in Canada.

 

[007]

There is no way in HELL you can have a "universal income."

Two people, same job, one is a fuck off and the other works three times as hard. You think they deserve the same pay?

Go fuck yourself.

No, you dumb shit. That isn’t at all what I said. Nowhere in my post am I suggesting everyone gets paid the same.

REALLY... then WTF is a "universal income?" What part about "UNIVERSAL" am I missing?

Get real... I don't do bull shit.

 

[Billy000]

There is no way in HELL you can have a "universal income."

Two people, same job, one is a fuck off and the other works three times as hard. You think they deserve the same pay?

Go fuck yourself.

No, you dumb shit. That isn’t at all what I said. Nowhere in my post am I suggesting everyone gets paid the same.

REALLY... then WTF is a "universal income?" What part about "UNIVERSAL" am I missing?

Get real... I don't do bull shit.

Lol Christ you don’t even know what I am talking about, do you?

 

[007]

There is no way in HELL you can have a "universal income."

Two people, same job, one is a fuck off and the other works three times as hard. You think they deserve the same pay?

Go fuck yourself.

No, you dumb shit. That isn’t at all what I said. Nowhere in my post am I suggesting everyone gets paid the same.

REALLY... then WTF is a "universal income?" What part about "UNIVERSAL" am I missing?

Get real... I don't do bull shit.

Lol Christ you don’t even know what I am talking about, do you?

Problem is you can't defend the crap you're talking.

 

[Meathead]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Give it up Billy-boy. It's been tried and failed...repeatedly.

Oh really? Where and when?

Finland Is Ending Its Universal Basic Income Experiment

Finland.

The system was poorly designed. The work requirement wasn’t adequate which is why it became on costly. This doesn’t somehow mean the entire idea is inherently flawed. It’s actually working pretty well in Canada.

Do you honestly think that sticking "democratic" in front of "socialist" is going to make a lick spit of difference? It's like saying if Hillary was called Mother Teresa, she would be honest. FFS Billy, grow up.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Universal based income.

Automation, climate change, and ever rising income disparity are undeniable threats to the middle class and poor. Care to explain how I am wrong? You can’t.

Trust me, I would rather avoid a universal based income and make a living having a decent job, but unless the private market somehow drastically changes, poverty will only get worse and the middle class will continue to shrink. Slowly but surely, even dumb people will see how insane it is to vote republican. Why they haven’t figured this out by now, I have no idea.

This isn’t to say voting for the current Democratic Party is the answer, but eventually people will realize the importance of progressive policies like universal based income. Candidates like Bernie will win every election.

Universal Basic Income has already been attempted, and has failed, much like Socialism. Only economic illiterates still think Socialism would work. The government can't steal enough money to keep it going, and even if it could, it removes the incentive to work. This has been, and always will be, one of the biggest flaws in stealing money from those who work, and giving it to those who don't.

No, they're not. With every job that becomes obsolete due to automation, there will be more jobs building, maintaining, programming, and innovating the machines.

Climate change doesn't exist, otherwise they wouldn't need to falsify the data.

"Income Disparity" is not, and never has been a threat to anyone. People making different amounts of money is not a bad thing, as not every job, and not every person working those jobs, is worth the same. A "wealth gap" is only a talking point that is used to draw out a person's inner wealth envy.

Not even the majority of the Democratic Party supports his economically illiterate policies.

It amazes me the way you think. I just don’t get it.

1) Where was it that it failed exactly? Do you even know? It wouldn’t take away the incentive to work because it alone wouldn’t be even close to live off of. And realistically, the government would only allow it if you had a low income that is way behind on the cost of living.

2) I don’t know the full story on this falsifying data story you’re talking about, but it ultimately means nothing because the large majority of peer-reviewed research on the subject says it exists. People really have to stop debating this topic. It’s so stupid. This isn’t a democrat thing - it’s a scientifically supported phenomenon.

3) See there’s a simple nuance you aren’t picking up on with what I am saying and it’s very puzzling. I am not at all suggesting we all get paid the same wage. What I am saying is that the income disparity has grown so wide that the poor are becoming poorer and the rich are becoming richer. The middle class is shrinking. This isn’t some envy concept which is such a lame argument. Let’s have a free market system with a wealthy class and middle class, but let’s also make it be sustainable to everyone.

4) The majority of the Democratic Party is bought by special interests - as are republicans.

Since you replied to both posts, I'll just go ahead and treat them as if they were one.

1: It failed in Sweden, and IS CURRENTLY failing everywhere it is being tried. You are also incorrect that it doesn't take away the incentive to work, because it's a paradox. The government would have to give the people enough to live on, or else the policy would be completely pointless, and if the government gives them enough to live on, they have no reason to work. It's the problem with stealing money from others, then giving it to people merely for existing. The cost is massive, and it cripples the economy. You're only amazed at how I think because you don't apply your critical thinking to this topic.

2: You only think it's stupid to debate this topic because you only listen to one side. There is no actual data to suggest it's a thing. The data that would otherwise suggest so is falsified. In fact, if you check any part of this forum in which the topic is debated, we already have every argument that it exists being shut down by one to two people. Not only that, 'climate Scientists' refuse to debate the subject, and refusing to support your claim is just as good as an admission of defeat. If someone refuses to defend their idea, then their idea can't be supported, otherwise they'd easily tear down their opponent.

3: No, I'm picking up on what you're trying to say, and I'm telling you that it's inherently ridiculous. Income disparity exists because people don't get paid the same for every job, the jobs that are worth more are getting higher in demand, and the rich become richer because they continue to do what it is that made them rich. What you're suggesting is that the market should be interfered with in such a way that this changes, the problem with that being that the government would need to steal from people who earned that money, and give it to people who have not, simply because they have less. This removes incentive to move up in the world, and would actually keep 'the poor' exactly where they are. One example is the government creating Federal Aid programs. Businesses started expecting people to enter these programs for no-skill jobs, and started using them as a reason to pay their employees less, due to the fact that a living wage is created by combining their pay from the job, and their pay from the federal programs. Similar things happened when the government interfered in College Education. The prices drastically increased because colleges expect their students to get Federal Aid to pay for their education, allowing them to make more money.

The fact is that poor people will always be poor, because they are there due to an addiction, or a drinking problem, or not knowing how to invest or save their money. These people can't be helped, and those who can will eventually help themselves. Giving them money instead of helping them get a job will only help them temporarily and will cause them to depend on those hand-outs. The government has spent enough on 'the war on poverty' to buy poor people their own houses, each. If throwing money at it was the solution, it would have already been 'solved'.

4: You're not wrong, and yet that doesn't make my statement false. Though, the majority of America doesn't support economic illiteracy, either.

The system was poorly designed. The work requirement wasn’t adequate which is why it became on costly. This doesn’t somehow mean the entire idea is inherently flawed. It’s actually working pretty well in Canada.

The system is poorly designed because a universal basic income is a poor idea. No work requirement is adequate, as even in America, people are required to get a job in order to get Unemployment benefits, yet they simply get the job and don't show up for training, or get themselves intentionally fired.

Except in every case, including Canada's, the unemployment rate jumps, and the government gathers debt faster. Regardless of how it's implemented, people will be encouraged to work as little as possible, just to get the benefits. People will meet the bare minimum rather than using it as a stepping stone to succeed. This is why it's better to help a person get a job rather than steal money from others to give to them.