When Tuition is INSANELY HIGH, UNAFFORDABLE, why is the conversation...

[imbalance]

No.
My daughter was a 3.8 high school student.
She is seeking a degree for Respiratory Specialist.
Classes she was/is required to take:
Calculus
Finite Math
Computer Basics
Computer 1 (where they are teaching Microsoft Access...EVERYONE knows respiratory therapist build databases every day)
Physics 1
Chemistry 1
Public Speaking
Psychiatry 1

I know I am forgetting some.
This is horse shit.

Doesn't seem too outrageous.

That's my reaction as well. Those courses seem pretty relevant for the respiratory specialist (therapist) job description:

Respiratory therapists assist patients of all ages who suffer from pulmonary (breathing) disorders. In addition to analyzing and performing diagnostic testing, respiratory therapists perform relevant exams and control patients’ blood-oxygen levels, as well as set up and utilize cardiopulmonary equipment and machines needed to assist or monitor the patients breathing.

Respiratory Therapist Job Description: Salary, Training and More

 

[bodecea]

...birth control costs??? The cheapest (meaning least expensive) IL STATE college costs minimum $30K a year! Most schools are well beyond that. Four years equals up tp $120K at the MINIMUM! This is a 2nd first mortgage! Going to college is becoming essential to landing a decent job, but going to college is becoming unaffordable to everyone except the upper middle class or upper class!

Yet people want to talk about the affordable birth control options. First, NO plan covers condoms and condoms are the only form of birth control that prevents STDs. If you are sleeping around in college, or anywhere for that matter, then condoms should be used not the pills (or just the pill). Even if the person a has boyfriend (or girlfriend) in college they should use condoms. You don't know what your partner is doing. Be honest how many of you were loyal to your college (or even highschool), girl or boyfriends? I can honestly say I wasn't loyal to any of them! I guarantee I wasn't the only one! The pill might prevent you from getting knocked up (or knocking someone up), but it won't prevent you from getting AIDS, HERPS etc. Second, what is $9 a month, when tuition costs $3K-$5K a month! Where are the priorities. Maybe this spoiled girl should get, I don't know, a job in college!

This comes from the mindset of a father who has 3 kids and one on the way. The rising cost of college keeps me up most nights!

Hmmm, as long as kidlet is going to a state school, we have 0 tuition costs....Thank you CA for CalVet.

 

[Katzndogz]

Someone attending a four year college is assumed to be interested in an education. A higher education. Someone who simply wants to be a respiratory therapist and not get that education would go here.

Train to become a Respiratory Therapist | American Career College

or here

Respiratory Therapist Schools in California Names the Antelope Valley College in Lancaster as the Best School for Certification | Stock Market Summary for Today | NSDQ, NYSE and AMEX Stock Market Summaries | Chron.com | News, search and shopping from

Or any one of many schools who don't trouble themselves with a complete eduction, just training in the field.

 

[Unkotare]

They are pretty much reserved for those with exceptional abilities and/or very deep pockets.

Good connections more than deep pockets.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Why would she need calculus? most scientists don't need calculus anymore, computers do the math.

Dumbest post I've seen all day.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I found her pre-reqs...I was wrong about calculus, she took College Math 1, and now College Math II

Here is the complete list of pre-req's
Elementary Composition I
Human Anatomy (with lab)
Social/Behavioral Science
College Math I
Speech Communication
Chemistry (with lab)
Human Physiology (with lab)
College Mathematics II
Professional Writing
Physics
Ethics
Introduction to Computers
Computer I
Statistics
Introduction to Microbiology
Intro to Finite Mathematics
Lifespan/Human Development

That's 54 credits if I'm guessing the credit load correctly. At 15 credits a semester that's about 3 and a half semesters, or just short of two years. In addition most of that is probably required by the program itself. Not that unreasonable.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I pay for her classes up front - which is why I have questions about these courses.
I found her pre-reqs...I was wrong about calculus, she took College Math 1, and now College Math II

Here is the complete list of pre-req's
Elementary Composition I
Human Anatomy (with lab)
Social/Behavioral Science
College Math I
Speech Communication
Chemistry (with lab)
Human Physiology (with lab)
College Mathematics II
Professional Writing
Physics
Ethics
Introduction to Computers
Computer I
Statistics
Introduction to Microbiology
Intro to Finite Mathematics
Lifespan/Human Development

How about a link to the school so we can see tuition costs, total cost of attendance, and the course requirement list.

Please.


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[WorldWatcher]

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NOTE TO PARENTS:

Of course this is JMHO...


If you want your child to succeed in college, then start preparing no later than middle school. Ensure you child develops good educational habits and takes challenging courses including math and science. Establish this paradigm in middle school so that it flows into high school. In high school take 1 AP class the first year that it is available to get a sense of how they are different from standard course (typically sophomore year) and then take 2-3 each in Junior & Senior years.

My daughter did that in high school and started college effectively as a college sophomore because of the college credits earned from the AP exams which gave her greater flexibility in her course selection and the chance to try a sampling of different mathematics, science, and engineering classes before having to settle into a major (mathematics).

What hurts is when you child graduates high school and gets to college and then has to take remedial courses (bonehead English 101 or Math 101) just to get them up to college entrance speed.



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[Unkotare]

Maybe college kids are getting softer. It seems to me that waaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day the only kids who didn't finish an undergrad degree in four years were those who:

A) Didn't want to
B) Weren't the 'best students'
C) Were stoned all the time
D) All of the above

A separate category were those who didn't really look at it as a four-year degree program but took a semester here and there while working full time. All good, but most of those folks I knew never graduated (which is also fine).

 

[Flopper]

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NOTE TO PARENTS:

Of course this is JMHO...


If you want your child to succeed in college, then start preparing no later than middle school. Ensure you child develops good educational habits and takes challenging courses including math and science. Establish this paradigm in middle school so that it flows into high school. In high school take 1 AP class the first year that it is available to get a sense of how they are different from standard course (typically sophomore year) and then take 2-3 each in Junior & Senior years.

My daughter did that in high school and started college effectively as a college sophomore because of the college credits earned from the AP exams which gave her greater flexibility in her course selection and the chance to try a sampling of different mathematics, science, and engineering classes before having to settle into a major (mathematics).

What hurts is when you child graduates high school and gets to college and then has to take remedial courses (bonehead English 101 or Math 101) just to get them up to college entrance speed.



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Excellent advice. My granddaughter did the same.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Excellent advice. My granddaughter did the same.

Damn stuck key. "R" corrected for "your".




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[Flopper]

Maybe college kids are getting softer. It seems to me that waaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day the only kids who didn't finish an undergrad degree in four years were those who:

A) Didn't want to
B) Weren't the 'best students'
C) Were stoned all the time
D) All of the above

A separate category were those who didn't really look at it as a four-year degree program but took a semester here and there while working full time. All good, but most of those folks I knew never graduated (which is also fine).

It's a lot different. For kids intent on a college education and making something of themselves, the work is a lot harder. I have a bunch of grand kids in school. They have more homework and more is expected of them. College is not breeze. Most of the kids are more serious than they use to be. They are also older and I think more are working part time. It's a different environment.

 

[Unkotare]

Maybe college kids are getting softer. It seems to me that waaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day the only kids who didn't finish an undergrad degree in four years were those who:

A) Didn't want to
B) Weren't the 'best students'
C) Were stoned all the time
D) All of the above

A separate category were those who didn't really look at it as a four-year degree program but took a semester here and there while working full time. All good, but most of those folks I knew never graduated (which is also fine).

It's a lot different. For kids intent on a college education and making something of themselves, the work is a lot harder. I have a bunch of grand kids in school. They have more homework and more is expected of them. College is not breeze. Most of the kids are more serious than they use to be. They are also older and I think more are working part time. It's a different environment.

I disagree. I've tutored hundreds of kids from Jr High through grad school for many years. The work is not harder and the kids who work still finish a four-year degree in four years.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I found her pre-reqs...I was wrong about calculus, she took College Math 1, and now College Math II

Here is the complete list of pre-req's
Elementary Composition I
Human Anatomy (with lab)
Social/Behavioral Science
College Math I
Speech Communication
Chemistry (with lab)
Human Physiology (with lab)
College Mathematics II
Professional Writing
Physics
Ethics
Introduction to Computers
Computer I
Statistics
Introduction to Microbiology
Intro to Finite Mathematics
Lifespan/Human Development

That's 54 credits if I'm guessing the credit load correctly. At 15 credits a semester that's about 3 and a half semesters, or just short of two years. In addition most of that is probably required by the program itself. Not that unreasonable.

Really?
Intro to Finite is reasonable? Yeah..she will be figuring out math tables everyday.
Statistical Math is reasonable? How could a therapist survive without full knowledge of statistics?
2 computer courses is reasonable?...I KNOW she will be building data tables with all of the math she is going to be doing. Thank God she will know Access and SQL!!
3 Math courses is reasonable?
College Chemistry is reasonable?...of course she will be in a lab mixing compounds in between taking oxygen levels.
Professional Writing is reasonable? Just how many professional letters do respiratory therapist write a day?

 

[Unkotare]

Sounds like you dropped out in Jr High.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Sounds like you dropped out in Jr High.

And what makes you say that? Specifically.

 

[Unkotare]

Sounds like you dropped out in Jr High.

And what makes you say that? Specifically.

Because you sound like some kid who doesn't like math whining, "why do I need to study this? I'll never use it!"

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Sounds like you dropped out in Jr High.

And what makes you say that? Specifically.

Because you sound like some kid who doesn't like math whining, "why do I need to study this? I'll never use it!"

uh...no.
I am 47 years old...kind of hard to have a child in college when you are a kid

 

[8537]

IL schools aren't all more than 30K per year. I chose one at random - Southern Illinois University, a fine place to get a degree. $8,864 per year tuition and fees.

That's not cheap, of course, but you could work to cover your room and board while graduating in four years with less debt than the average car payment. And presuming you put your degree to work in a relevant field you'll reap the rewards for that degree over and over and over during your working life.

 

[WorldWatcher]

IL schools aren't all more than 30K per year. I chose one at random - Southern Illinois University, a fine place to get a degree.

My alma mater***, go Saluki's.







*** Although I never set food on campus.


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