When will the Right Understand that WHITE is a Race?

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How is it that members here on the right only think things are about race when blacks talk about it?

When they complained about CRT wasn't that whites making an issue of race? Wasn't that white racist demagoguery? And what about Trumps rise? He rose using white grievance that started during Reagan. White grievance is all about race. How many untalented, uneducated whites have become wealthy and famous by pushing white grievance? Why isn't that considered a race hustle? Why isn't white grievance called an industry? Why aren't the whites whining about how hard it is to be white dissed as having a victim mentality? Why aren't whites in this grievance industry told how they are using race as a crutch to cover for their personal failings? Why didn't whites on the right consider Trump picking 3 white justices as picking justices only because of race? There were black conservative justices with better qualifications than Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Coney -Barrett. And why wasn't Coney Barrett considerd a DEI choice because Trump was told he had to pick a woman?

White people have a race — but everyone flips out when we talk about it​

As far as Lee Bebout was concerned, his Arizona State University course, US Race Theory and the Problem of Whiteness, was off to a good start. A multiracial, politically diverse group of undergraduates was enrolled. He’d prepared a syllabus and was ready to lead them in seminar-style discussions, assigning basic readings and weekly papers on the history of race in America and other topics.

But the class had met exactly once in the beginning of the 2015 spring semester, when news of it — or its title, at least — spread past campus. Bebout was at lunch with his wife in January when a producer for a conservative radio show reached out to book an interview about the course. Next, Fox News wanted to talk.

"I thought, ‘Oh god, this might not be a good thing,'" Bebout, who tends to talk about the controversy in bemused understatements, remembers.

Then came the hate mail. Lots of it. More than one message commanded the 38-year-old professor, who is white, to "go live in Africa." The outrage reached a fever pitch that transcended the everyday internet trolling that goes hand in hand with just about any news that relates to race.

"Things got obviously weird," he says, "when white supremacist groups came to my neighborhood."

It was more than weird — it was scary. He received death threats. All for daring to talk about whiteness.

The people campaigning against the course were incensed at what they understood to be an entire semester dedicated to slamming white people. But the Problem of Whiteness wasn't designed to convince students that white people are a problem. The negative language in the course's title was simply a nod to how tough it can be to talk (or even think) about what it means to be white, when white is so deeply etched in the minds of many Americans as a synonym for "raceless" or "neutral." The reaction to the course seemed to prove this thesis.

Bebout, then an assistant professor of English (the school stood behind him, and he's since received tenure and is a full professor) had previously taught courses like Transborder Chicano Literature and American Ethnic Literature. He says he created the Problem of Whiteness for practical reasons: "I can study Chicano studies, I can do critical race theory to some degree, but without understanding whiteness, it felt like there was this big gap that I wasn't able to understand in the field."

In other words, you really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America. As Columbia University historian Barbara J. Fields told the producers of PBS's series Race: The Power of An Illusion, it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who "invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery." Slavery is over, but whiteness remains the identity against which ethnic groups are compared and the identity that racism protects.

"You really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America"


"it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery."

Whites invented race in this country. Therefore whites are responsible for the problems caused by what they created. This means that riht wing whites need to stop asking everybody else how they can fix the problem. All whites must take steps to eliminate the problem they created. Not just some while others sit on their asses criticizing those who try making an effort to end racism. This is not about who owed slaves during the Jurassic era or what Africans did; and don't try that tired lie about Anthony Johnson or how some blacks owned slaves too. Stop lying about how it's all in the past, because this forum shows that it is not. Take some of that responsibiity you tell everybody else to take and do your part.
 
How is it that members here on the right only think things are about race when blacks talk about it?

When they complained about CRT wasn't that whites making an issue of race? Wasn't that white racist demagoguery? And what about Trumps rise? He rose using white grievance that started during Reagan. White grievance is all about race. How many untalented, uneducated whites have become wealthy and famous by pushing white grievance? Why isn't that considered a race hustle? Why isn't white grievance called an industry? Why aren't the whites whining about how hard it is to be white dissed as having a victim mentality? Why aren't whites in this grievance industry told how they are using race as a crutch to cover for their personal failings? Why didn't whites on the right consider Trump picking 3 white justices as picking justices only because of race? There were black conservative justices with better qualifications than Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Coney -Barrett. And why wasn't Coney Barrett considerd a DEI choice because Trump was told he had to pick a woman?

White people have a race — but everyone flips out when we talk about it​

As far as Lee Bebout was concerned, his Arizona State University course, US Race Theory and the Problem of Whiteness, was off to a good start. A multiracial, politically diverse group of undergraduates was enrolled. He’d prepared a syllabus and was ready to lead them in seminar-style discussions, assigning basic readings and weekly papers on the history of race in America and other topics.

But the class had met exactly once in the beginning of the 2015 spring semester, when news of it — or its title, at least — spread past campus. Bebout was at lunch with his wife in January when a producer for a conservative radio show reached out to book an interview about the course. Next, Fox News wanted to talk.

"I thought, ‘Oh god, this might not be a good thing,'" Bebout, who tends to talk about the controversy in bemused understatements, remembers.

Then came the hate mail. Lots of it. More than one message commanded the 38-year-old professor, who is white, to "go live in Africa." The outrage reached a fever pitch that transcended the everyday internet trolling that goes hand in hand with just about any news that relates to race.

"Things got obviously weird," he says, "when white supremacist groups came to my neighborhood."

It was more than weird — it was scary. He received death threats. All for daring to talk about whiteness.

The people campaigning against the course were incensed at what they understood to be an entire semester dedicated to slamming white people. But the Problem of Whiteness wasn't designed to convince students that white people are a problem. The negative language in the course's title was simply a nod to how tough it can be to talk (or even think) about what it means to be white, when white is so deeply etched in the minds of many Americans as a synonym for "raceless" or "neutral." The reaction to the course seemed to prove this thesis.

Bebout, then an assistant professor of English (the school stood behind him, and he's since received tenure and is a full professor) had previously taught courses like Transborder Chicano Literature and American Ethnic Literature. He says he created the Problem of Whiteness for practical reasons: "I can study Chicano studies, I can do critical race theory to some degree, but without understanding whiteness, it felt like there was this big gap that I wasn't able to understand in the field."

In other words, you really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America. As Columbia University historian Barbara J. Fields told the producers of PBS's series Race: The Power of An Illusion, it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who "invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery." Slavery is over, but whiteness remains the identity against which ethnic groups are compared and the identity that racism protects.

"You really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America"


"it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery."

Whites invented race in this country. Therefore whites are responsible for the problems caused by what they created. This means that riht wing whites need to stop asking everybody else how they can fix the problem. All whites must take steps to eliminate the problem they created. Not just some while others sit on their asses criticizing those who try making an effort to end racism. This is not about who owed slaves during the Jurassic era or what Africans did; and don't try that tired lie about Anthony Johnson or how some blacks owned slaves too. Stop lying about how it's all in the past, because this forum shows that it is not. Take some of that responsibiity you tell everybody else to take and do your part.
Leftist groups get wealthy by pushing the lie of "black victimhood." Democrats only push the lie of "black victimhood" in election years. Interesting that the largest cities are run by democrat mayors, democrat police chiefs, democrat school administrations and democrat city/town councils, yet for all of the democrat control, the inner-city schools, per statistics, suck big time. Kids graduate, not with actual good grades, but by "social promoting" policies in the schools, thus they come out ill-prepared to achieve success.
As for the republican base, it's always been pro-minority, which obviously includes blacks. It's the party that ended slavery, gave them citizenship and the right to vote. It's the democrat party that always tried to block those things. The difference is that the republican party has always had the policy of "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, not by handouts." That includes Asians, Latinos and whites.
 
Leftist groups get wealthy by pushing the lie of "black victimhood." Democrats only push the lie of "black victimhood" in election years. Interesting that the largest cities are run by democrat mayors, democrat police chiefs, democrat school administrations and democrat city/town councils, yet for all of the democrat control, the inner-city schools, per statistics, suck big time. Kids graduate, not with actual good grades, but by "social promoting" policies in the schools, thus they come out ill-prepared to achieve success.
As for the republican base, it's always been pro-minority, which obviously includes blacks. It's the party that ended slavery, gave them citizenship and the right to vote. It's the democrat party that always tried to block those things. The difference is that the republican party has always had the policy of "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, not by handouts." That includes Asians, Latinos and whites.

Bulshit. White never lifted themselves up by any bootstraps. And you can stop talking about the 1860 Democratic Party. Cities must abide by state and federal policy, so don't try blaming democratic mayors for what is caused by state and federal policy.

The republican base is racist. Whites have been given all kinds of federal financial assistance. Whites have done nothing on their own. Asians come into this country on H1B Visas with tech jobs guaranteed. That's a race based preference and right wing whites don't bitch. So you can stop lying about what Republicans have done. The poorest states in America are run by Repubicans. The last two republican presidents fucked up the country economically. In fact, trickle down economics starting with Reagan is why we have such great deficits today.

What we have at top leadership today are a bunch of people who were chidren in the 40-50's and did not see how much help the government was giving their parents so they grew up believing their parents made it only because they worked hard. Not because they were given government guarateed loans for homes, government money to go to college or start a business, or that they were hired by the government to maintain the public works projects the government created during the 30-50's that created millions of permanent jobs.

All things blacks were excluded from.

So tell that right wing white mumbo jumbo to someone else.
 
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As for the republican base, it's always been pro-minority, which obviously includes blacks.
No, now it's comprised mainly of Crackers, the sort who spent their life keeping Blacks down. One has only to look at their actions in suppressing the vote for instance, classic repressive behaviour.
 
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These guys think we are stupid. They keep teling us how the Democratic party was the party of slavery ike thats supposed to make us join the Republican party automatically. Yet they don't seem able to understand that it was a Democrat that signed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. These two acts amounted to our second Emancipation Proclamation.
 
The 'I hate White people' forum.
Why is it that whites on the right think they can criticize blacks all day but they can't be criticized by blacks? And notice the title,

When will the Right Understand that WHITE is a Race?

So this thread is not about all white people. It is about whites on the right.
 
Why is it that whites on the right think they can criticize blacks all day but they can't be criticized by blacks? And notice the title,

When will the Right Understand that WHITE is a Race?

So this thread is not about all white people. It is about whites on the right.
I feel your pain, Brotha '
 
How is it that members here on the right only think things are about race when blacks talk about it?

When they complained about CRT wasn't that whites making an issue of race? Wasn't that white racist demagoguery? And what about Trumps rise? He rose using white grievance that started during Reagan. White grievance is all about race. How many untalented, uneducated whites have become wealthy and famous by pushing white grievance? Why isn't that considered a race hustle? Why isn't white grievance called an industry? Why aren't the whites whining about how hard it is to be white dissed as having a victim mentality? Why aren't whites in this grievance industry told how they are using race as a crutch to cover for their personal failings? Why didn't whites on the right consider Trump picking 3 white justices as picking justices only because of race? There were black conservative justices with better qualifications than Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Coney -Barrett. And why wasn't Coney Barrett considerd a DEI choice because Trump was told he had to pick a woman?

White people have a race — but everyone flips out when we talk about it​

As far as Lee Bebout was concerned, his Arizona State University course, US Race Theory and the Problem of Whiteness, was off to a good start. A multiracial, politically diverse group of undergraduates was enrolled. He’d prepared a syllabus and was ready to lead them in seminar-style discussions, assigning basic readings and weekly papers on the history of race in America and other topics.

But the class had met exactly once in the beginning of the 2015 spring semester, when news of it — or its title, at least — spread past campus. Bebout was at lunch with his wife in January when a producer for a conservative radio show reached out to book an interview about the course. Next, Fox News wanted to talk.

"I thought, ‘Oh god, this might not be a good thing,'" Bebout, who tends to talk about the controversy in bemused understatements, remembers.

Then came the hate mail. Lots of it. More than one message commanded the 38-year-old professor, who is white, to "go live in Africa." The outrage reached a fever pitch that transcended the everyday internet trolling that goes hand in hand with just about any news that relates to race.

"Things got obviously weird," he says, "when white supremacist groups came to my neighborhood."

It was more than weird — it was scary. He received death threats. All for daring to talk about whiteness.

The people campaigning against the course were incensed at what they understood to be an entire semester dedicated to slamming white people. But the Problem of Whiteness wasn't designed to convince students that white people are a problem. The negative language in the course's title was simply a nod to how tough it can be to talk (or even think) about what it means to be white, when white is so deeply etched in the minds of many Americans as a synonym for "raceless" or "neutral." The reaction to the course seemed to prove this thesis.

Bebout, then an assistant professor of English (the school stood behind him, and he's since received tenure and is a full professor) had previously taught courses like Transborder Chicano Literature and American Ethnic Literature. He says he created the Problem of Whiteness for practical reasons: "I can study Chicano studies, I can do critical race theory to some degree, but without understanding whiteness, it felt like there was this big gap that I wasn't able to understand in the field."

In other words, you really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America. As Columbia University historian Barbara J. Fields told the producers of PBS's series Race: The Power of An Illusion, it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who "invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery." Slavery is over, but whiteness remains the identity against which ethnic groups are compared and the identity that racism protects.

"You really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America"


"it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery."

Whites invented race in this country. Therefore whites are responsible for the problems caused by what they created. This means that riht wing whites need to stop asking everybody else how they can fix the problem. All whites must take steps to eliminate the problem they created. Not just some while others sit on their asses criticizing those who try making an effort to end racism. This is not about who owed slaves during the Jurassic era or what Africans did; and don't try that tired lie about Anthony Johnson or how some blacks owned slaves too. Stop lying about how it's all in the past, because this forum shows that it is not. Take some of that responsibiity you tell everybody else to take and do your part.
People are tired of those like you who believe in racist ideology like whites being privileged. Or you making a mockery out of the issue of slavery by claiming that Africans treated slaves better compared to how Europeans treated slaves.


You live in your own world. You do not represent Black people no more than I represent white people. We are all individuals representing ourselves. Allegedly you are a white gay man in your 70s.


When you say “us” or “we blacks” you’re talking about yourself. Most people black-and-white are offended by the things you say. And just the way you talk is so disgusting. Imagine me a white man saying “we white people,” like nobody in America talks like that except people like you, you represent a tiny fringe minority
 
Im2 gets his support and justification from radical left-wing professors and the likes of BLM. They dedicate entire essays, walls of complete and utter nonsense of text to try and support their views. But in reality, they are easily deconstructed. Like their idea that Black people are “profiled” or treated unfairly by cops in 2024. It’s complete nonsense. If a cop is walking down the street and he gets a description of a criminal he’s going to stop the person who fits the description black or white.



Yes, African people owned slaves. Yet Im2 it’s attempting to use race and his propaganda view of history to get free money and handouts via “reperations”. It’s a despicable behavior.

im2 has insulted posters and their parents on this form by claiming that their “whiteness” has given them an edge. It’s a despicable way to talk about people and if more people had his types of views, we would probably have a Civil War in this country.

Thankfully most Americans have common sense and reject iM2
 
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How is it that members here on the right only think things are about race when blacks talk about it?

When they complained about CRT wasn't that whites making an issue of race? Wasn't that white racist demagoguery? And what about Trumps rise? He rose using white grievance that started during Reagan. White grievance is all about race. How many untalented, uneducated whites have become wealthy and famous by pushing white grievance? Why isn't that considered a race hustle? Why isn't white grievance called an industry? Why aren't the whites whining about how hard it is to be white dissed as having a victim mentality? Why aren't whites in this grievance industry told how they are using race as a crutch to cover for their personal failings? Why didn't whites on the right consider Trump picking 3 white justices as picking justices only because of race? There were black conservative justices with better qualifications than Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Coney -Barrett. And why wasn't Coney Barrett considerd a DEI choice because Trump was told he had to pick a woman?

White people have a race — but everyone flips out when we talk about it​

As far as Lee Bebout was concerned, his Arizona State University course, US Race Theory and the Problem of Whiteness, was off to a good start. A multiracial, politically diverse group of undergraduates was enrolled. He’d prepared a syllabus and was ready to lead them in seminar-style discussions, assigning basic readings and weekly papers on the history of race in America and other topics.

But the class had met exactly once in the beginning of the 2015 spring semester, when news of it — or its title, at least — spread past campus. Bebout was at lunch with his wife in January when a producer for a conservative radio show reached out to book an interview about the course. Next, Fox News wanted to talk.

"I thought, ‘Oh god, this might not be a good thing,'" Bebout, who tends to talk about the controversy in bemused understatements, remembers.

Then came the hate mail. Lots of it. More than one message commanded the 38-year-old professor, who is white, to "go live in Africa." The outrage reached a fever pitch that transcended the everyday internet trolling that goes hand in hand with just about any news that relates to race.

"Things got obviously weird," he says, "when white supremacist groups came to my neighborhood."

It was more than weird — it was scary. He received death threats. All for daring to talk about whiteness.

The people campaigning against the course were incensed at what they understood to be an entire semester dedicated to slamming white people. But the Problem of Whiteness wasn't designed to convince students that white people are a problem. The negative language in the course's title was simply a nod to how tough it can be to talk (or even think) about what it means to be white, when white is so deeply etched in the minds of many Americans as a synonym for "raceless" or "neutral." The reaction to the course seemed to prove this thesis.

Bebout, then an assistant professor of English (the school stood behind him, and he's since received tenure and is a full professor) had previously taught courses like Transborder Chicano Literature and American Ethnic Literature. He says he created the Problem of Whiteness for practical reasons: "I can study Chicano studies, I can do critical race theory to some degree, but without understanding whiteness, it felt like there was this big gap that I wasn't able to understand in the field."

In other words, you really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America. As Columbia University historian Barbara J. Fields told the producers of PBS's series Race: The Power of An Illusion, it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who "invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery." Slavery is over, but whiteness remains the identity against which ethnic groups are compared and the identity that racism protects.

"You really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America"


"it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery."

Whites invented race in this country. Therefore whites are responsible for the problems caused by what they created. This means that riht wing whites need to stop asking everybody else how they can fix the problem. All whites must take steps to eliminate the problem they created. Not just some while others sit on their asses criticizing those who try making an effort to end racism. This is not about who owed slaves during the Jurassic era or what Africans did; and don't try that tired lie about Anthony Johnson or how some blacks owned slaves too. Stop lying about how it's all in the past, because this forum shows that it is not. Take some of that responsibiity you tell everybody else to take and do your part.
Since when is "white" a race? It is the abnormal deficiency of
melanocyte development in the NEURAL CREST of the Neurala during ontogenesis---so I learned in sociology class circa 1970.
 
How is it that members here on the right only think things are about race when blacks talk about it?

When they complained about CRT wasn't that whites making an issue of race? Wasn't that white racist demagoguery? And what about Trumps rise? He rose using white grievance that started during Reagan. White grievance is all about race. How many untalented, uneducated whites have become wealthy and famous by pushing white grievance? Why isn't that considered a race hustle? Why isn't white grievance called an industry? Why aren't the whites whining about how hard it is to be white dissed as having a victim mentality? Why aren't whites in this grievance industry told how they are using race as a crutch to cover for their personal failings? Why didn't whites on the right consider Trump picking 3 white justices as picking justices only because of race? There were black conservative justices with better qualifications than Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Coney -Barrett. And why wasn't Coney Barrett considerd a DEI choice because Trump was told he had to pick a woman?

White people have a race — but everyone flips out when we talk about it​

As far as Lee Bebout was concerned, his Arizona State University course, US Race Theory and the Problem of Whiteness, was off to a good start. A multiracial, politically diverse group of undergraduates was enrolled. He’d prepared a syllabus and was ready to lead them in seminar-style discussions, assigning basic readings and weekly papers on the history of race in America and other topics.

But the class had met exactly once in the beginning of the 2015 spring semester, when news of it — or its title, at least — spread past campus. Bebout was at lunch with his wife in January when a producer for a conservative radio show reached out to book an interview about the course. Next, Fox News wanted to talk.

"I thought, ‘Oh god, this might not be a good thing,'" Bebout, who tends to talk about the controversy in bemused understatements, remembers.

Then came the hate mail. Lots of it. More than one message commanded the 38-year-old professor, who is white, to "go live in Africa." The outrage reached a fever pitch that transcended the everyday internet trolling that goes hand in hand with just about any news that relates to race.

"Things got obviously weird," he says, "when white supremacist groups came to my neighborhood."

It was more than weird — it was scary. He received death threats. All for daring to talk about whiteness.

The people campaigning against the course were incensed at what they understood to be an entire semester dedicated to slamming white people. But the Problem of Whiteness wasn't designed to convince students that white people are a problem. The negative language in the course's title was simply a nod to how tough it can be to talk (or even think) about what it means to be white, when white is so deeply etched in the minds of many Americans as a synonym for "raceless" or "neutral." The reaction to the course seemed to prove this thesis.

Bebout, then an assistant professor of English (the school stood behind him, and he's since received tenure and is a full professor) had previously taught courses like Transborder Chicano Literature and American Ethnic Literature. He says he created the Problem of Whiteness for practical reasons: "I can study Chicano studies, I can do critical race theory to some degree, but without understanding whiteness, it felt like there was this big gap that I wasn't able to understand in the field."

In other words, you really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America. As Columbia University historian Barbara J. Fields told the producers of PBS's series Race: The Power of An Illusion, it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who "invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery." Slavery is over, but whiteness remains the identity against which ethnic groups are compared and the identity that racism protects.

"You really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America"


"it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery."

Whites invented race in this country. Therefore whites are responsible for the problems caused by what they created. This means that riht wing whites need to stop asking everybody else how they can fix the problem. All whites must take steps to eliminate the problem they created. Not just some while others sit on their asses criticizing those who try making an effort to end racism. This is not about who owed slaves during the Jurassic era or what Africans did; and don't try that tired lie about Anthony Johnson or how some blacks owned slaves too. Stop lying about how it's all in the past, because this forum shows that it is not. Take some of that responsibiity you tell everybody else to take and do your part.
Another way to deconstruct your heinous way of posting Is to call out your lies and propaganda. Right wingers are literally attacked when they speak at a college campus.

BLM radicals can speak whenever they want even at a right wing space …and they’re not gonna be violently attacked or even shouted down.
 
How is it that members here on the right only think things are about race when blacks talk about it?

When they complained about CRT wasn't that whites making an issue of race? Wasn't that white racist demagoguery? And what about Trumps rise? He rose using white grievance that started during Reagan. White grievance is all about race. How many untalented, uneducated whites have become wealthy and famous by pushing white grievance? Why isn't that considered a race hustle? Why isn't white grievance called an industry? Why aren't the whites whining about how hard it is to be white dissed as having a victim mentality? Why aren't whites in this grievance industry told how they are using race as a crutch to cover for their personal failings? Why didn't whites on the right consider Trump picking 3 white justices as picking justices only because of race? There were black conservative justices with better qualifications than Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Coney -Barrett. And why wasn't Coney Barrett considerd a DEI choice because Trump was told he had to pick a woman?

White people have a race — but everyone flips out when we talk about it​

As far as Lee Bebout was concerned, his Arizona State University course, US Race Theory and the Problem of Whiteness, was off to a good start. A multiracial, politically diverse group of undergraduates was enrolled. He’d prepared a syllabus and was ready to lead them in seminar-style discussions, assigning basic readings and weekly papers on the history of race in America and other topics.

But the class had met exactly once in the beginning of the 2015 spring semester, when news of it — or its title, at least — spread past campus. Bebout was at lunch with his wife in January when a producer for a conservative radio show reached out to book an interview about the course. Next, Fox News wanted to talk.

"I thought, ‘Oh god, this might not be a good thing,'" Bebout, who tends to talk about the controversy in bemused understatements, remembers.

Then came the hate mail. Lots of it. More than one message commanded the 38-year-old professor, who is white, to "go live in Africa." The outrage reached a fever pitch that transcended the everyday internet trolling that goes hand in hand with just about any news that relates to race.

"Things got obviously weird," he says, "when white supremacist groups came to my neighborhood."

It was more than weird — it was scary. He received death threats. All for daring to talk about whiteness.

The people campaigning against the course were incensed at what they understood to be an entire semester dedicated to slamming white people. But the Problem of Whiteness wasn't designed to convince students that white people are a problem. The negative language in the course's title was simply a nod to how tough it can be to talk (or even think) about what it means to be white, when white is so deeply etched in the minds of many Americans as a synonym for "raceless" or "neutral." The reaction to the course seemed to prove this thesis.

Bebout, then an assistant professor of English (the school stood behind him, and he's since received tenure and is a full professor) had previously taught courses like Transborder Chicano Literature and American Ethnic Literature. He says he created the Problem of Whiteness for practical reasons: "I can study Chicano studies, I can do critical race theory to some degree, but without understanding whiteness, it felt like there was this big gap that I wasn't able to understand in the field."

In other words, you really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America. As Columbia University historian Barbara J. Fields told the producers of PBS's series Race: The Power of An Illusion, it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who "invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery." Slavery is over, but whiteness remains the identity against which ethnic groups are compared and the identity that racism protects.

"You really have to understand the idea of whiteness to even begin to talk about race in America"


"it was self-identified white Americans of European descent who invented race during the era of the American Revolution as a way of resolving the contradiction between a natural right to freedom and the fact of slavery."

Whites invented race in this country. Therefore whites are responsible for the problems caused by what they created. This means that riht wing whites need to stop asking everybody else how they can fix the problem. All whites must take steps to eliminate the problem they created. Not just some while others sit on their asses criticizing those who try making an effort to end racism. This is not about who owed slaves during the Jurassic era or what Africans did; and don't try that tired lie about Anthony Johnson or how some blacks owned slaves too. Stop lying about how it's all in the past, because this forum shows that it is not. Take some of that responsibiity you tell everybody else to take and do your part.


And what would you say if someone created a course titled The Problem of Blackness? Wouldn't the title itself be considered a pejorative? And what about mixed race folks, are they part of a new race, or how do you go about deciding what race to call them?

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When will the Right Understand that WHITE is a Race?​

When will you understand that we don't care... you are the biggest racist on USMB...
Yoiu care because you run your mouth about others as if whites are not a race. You repeating that I am a racist doesn't make me one.
 
And what would you say if someone created a course titled The Problem of Blackness? Wouldn't the title itself be considered a pejorative? And what about mixed race folks, are they part of a new race, or how do you go about deciding what race to call them?

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If backs had done to whites what whites have done to every other race then I think I might consider taking the class. Because we have read, heard and seen all the cases, books, articles and films about the problem of blackness made by whites. So before you ask this kind of question, you need to stop pretending that whites are just poor innocent persecuted victims.

This is not about mixed races. This is about whites recognizing they are a race and that because they are a race, they have beem given things only because of their skin color.
 
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Yoiu care because you run your mouth about others as if whites are not a race. You repeating that I am a racist doesn't make me one.
I don't do shit sucker... don't tell me I run my mouth when that's all you do ya little whinny bitch...
Everyone here knows you are a racist punk ass bitch....
 

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