When you actually detail the background check question, the level of support declines...dramatically.

[2aguy]

Here we have someone who did a poll about background checks, and actually added detail to the question...notice how the support for background checks declines when the actual truth is revealed....

Support for Universal Background Checks is Very Sensitive to the Question Asked. People don’t like the laws when they find out about what the laws actually mean.

The Crime Prevention Research Center hired McLaughlin & Associates to survey people’s views on universal background checks. We started with the standard question asked by survey groups su…

crimeresearch.org

 

[White 6]

Here we have someone who did a poll about background checks, and actually added detail to the question...notice how the support for background checks declines when the actual truth is revealed....

Support for Universal Background Checks is Very Sensitive to the Question Asked. People don’t like the laws when they find out about what the laws actually mean.

The Crime Prevention Research Center hired McLaughlin & Associates to survey people’s views on universal background checks. We started with the standard question asked by survey groups su…

crimeresearch.org

Those two situations are very unlikely to affect my decision to support, and certainly would not impact my decision to loan the use of my weapons, and No, you would not be a felon.

 

[Vastator]

Background checks are just admissions of failure on the part of our justice system. A person has either paid their penance, or they haven't. Life sentences of being unpersoned is counterproductive, and likely contributes to increased rates of recidivism. Creating a second class caste of citizen is unconstitutional, and we've even fought a war over that very issue. Nor do background checks prevent people from committing crimes in the future, or address those who simply haven't been caught...

 

[2aguy]

Those two situations are very unlikely to affect my decision to support, and certainly would not impact my decision to loan the use of my weapons, and No, you would not be a felon.

Yes....actually, you would be....

From one proposed bill.....

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims.


None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.
And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
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The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
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HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
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Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

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Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

 

[M14 Shooter]

In our lovely post-Bruen world, background checks violate the constitution.

 

[Donald H]

I think the situation has deteriorated far past the point where background checks, or any gun control measures, would be of any value.

 

[White 6]

Yes....actually, you would be....

From one proposed bill.....

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims.


None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.
And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----
The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

I read and see, but yeah, like that has a chance in hell of succeeding (as written) in the US House and or Senate.

 

[jotathought]

I read and see, but yeah, like that has a chance in hell of succeeding (as written) in the US House and or Senate.

It clearly demonstrates the intent of politicians .. and all it takes is an election swing.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I think the situation has deteriorated far past the point where background checks, or any gun control measures, would be of any value.

The gun-related violent crime rate in the US is ~120/100k
That works out to the use of about 100 guns/day for a violent crime.

~100 guns/day used for violent crime
How many are not?

 

[Donald H]

The gun-related violent crime rate in the US is ~120/100k
That works out to the use of about 100 guns/day for a violent crime.

~100 guns/day used for violent crime
How many are not?

I'm on your side Shooter. Guns are not a problem.......... in America.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'm on your side Shooter.

We both know you're lying.
Difference is, I will admit it.

 

[Dadoalex]

Here we have someone who did a poll about background checks, and actually added detail to the question...notice how the support for background checks declines when the actual truth is revealed....

Support for Universal Background Checks is Very Sensitive to the Question Asked. People don’t like the laws when they find out about what the laws actually mean.

The Crime Prevention Research Center hired McLaughlin & Associates to survey people’s views on universal background checks. We started with the standard question asked by survey groups su…

crimeresearch.org

Nothing like fake polls to prove...NOTHING.