Where Can I Get The Education?

[progressive hunter]

Quit subject shifting...
The canning and jars are done under USDA rules and that's what the water and sewage subject was concerning...

Farms only need water and it doesn't have to be that clean. Don't even need septic...just some Lil blue/tan houses every so often. (Porta-potty).

A farm is a farm...but again I just need a source to go to to help edumacate me on how to make a working productive farm.

The rest I can handle. If I can get the fruit into baskets for a reasonable cost the rest is very easy...I have been involved with the rest of the canning and bottling for decades...I'm extremely comfortable with how that part gets done.

But the costs of farming are really high and expensive and scary... gotta be a way to get help. The land only runs around $4K/acre...of which some has to be reserved for a tractor barn.

it would help if you posted those rules you keep claiming exist,,

 

[JohnDB]

it would help if you posted those rules you keep claiming exist,,

There are several sets of rules...
USDA has theirs and then there's the EPA that has theirs. There's the records you have to keep. Drug tests, housekeeping, hair nets and boot washes and etc in the Sally ports so that everything that comes in is sanitary. Usually smocks for everyone involved in production are the SOP but you can get away without it if no one has buttons or jewelry above the waist. Usually you video record the production shifts to prove that sanitary production was followed with data backups of temps and pressures for various things like the chemical sanitizer sprays on the glass or lids.

There's also several different chemical sanitizers that can be used and each of them has different laws concerning them.
You can use steam but it's not usually used anymore because of safety concerns and protocols. Usually your insurance provider will have something to say about using steam instead of chemical sanitizer.

That's why you have hoses that have pre-mixed sanitizer valves with fresh water rinse and floor drains. There are no ledges for anything to collect on...ever. No dust or puddles.

You don't have to use stainless steel but it stays looking clean if it is clean. Glazed tile for the walls.
Every pot or bucket containing processed food is always sealed and covered... usually you pump your product from one pot to the next. Kids are opened only if necessary to add something but usually just for drawing out test samples.

Then the EPA regulations that are wanting to test the exhaust steam. Then there's soil samples and wastewater. The EPA regulations about sugar is nuts stuff...just saying. Peach pits have arsenic...or something that they consider toxic and they want specialized handling of them.
The peels are again organic and they can be sold off if someone wants the stuff for cattle feed or some other purpose like liquor manufacturing...
And the EPA also wants all the details on which chemical sanitizer you use as well as pesticides that the USDA requires...

Even the parking lot has EPA regulations... even if it's gravel and only big enough for 10 cars and a loading dock. Which brings up where most of the violations happen....the loading dock. Usually you use a Sally port for it but that also allows someone to spill something out there unseen...and sure enough the EPA inspector comes by before it's cleaned up. Ugghhhh. Even if it's just a sugared coffee or soda can. Always seems to draw a citation.

 

[progressive hunter]

There are several sets of rules...
USDA has theirs and then there's the EPA that has theirs. There's the records you have to keep. Drug tests, housekeeping, hair nets and boot washes and etc in the Sally ports so that everything that comes in is sanitary. Usually smocks for everyone involved in production are the SOP but you can get away without it if no one has buttons or jewelry above the waist. Usually you video record the production shifts to prove that sanitary production was followed with data backups of temps and pressures for various things like the chemical sanitizer sprays on the glass or lids.

There's also several different chemical sanitizers that can be used and each of them has different laws concerning them.
You can use steam but it's not usually used anymore because of safety concerns and protocols. Usually your insurance provider will have something to say about using steam instead of chemical sanitizer.

That's why you have hoses that have pre-mixed sanitizer valves with fresh water rinse and floor drains. There are no ledges for anything to collect on...ever. No dust or puddles.

You don't have to use stainless steel but it stays looking clean if it is clean. Glazed tile for the walls.
Every pot or bucket containing processed food is always sealed and covered... usually you pump your product from one pot to the next. Kids are opened only if necessary to add something but usually just for drawing out test samples.

Then the EPA regulations that are wanting to test the exhaust steam. Then there's soil samples and wastewater. The EPA regulations about sugar is nuts stuff...just saying. Peach pits have arsenic...or something that they consider toxic and they want specialized handling of them.
The peels are again organic and they can be sold off if someone wants the stuff for cattle feed or some other purpose like liquor manufacturing...
And the EPA also wants all the details on which chemical sanitizer you use as well as pesticides that the USDA requires...

Even the parking lot has EPA regulations... even if it's gravel and only big enough for 10 cars and a loading dock. Which brings up where most of the violations happen....the loading dock. Usually you use a Sally port for it but that also allows someone to spill something out there unseen...and sure enough the EPA inspector comes by before it's cleaned up. Ugghhhh. Even if it's just a sugared coffee or soda can. Always seems to draw a citation.

so you cant link to any of these rules that you claim effect you,,

your best bet is to forget about what youre thinking and just go right to the nursing home where they can bottle feed you for the rest of your pathetic life,,