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For some of us, "Angels" are a metaphor and we don't take them for actual entities we're likely to encounter, and even if we did we would think it a hallucination. As for the stories carried across the millennia by the Bible, they are very important and interesting and applicable in adding to knowledge. Our times match so poorly with those of thousands of years ago that the subtleties they would have had for our ancestors of the epoch are imperceptible to us. We have to admit to being incapable of the kind of understanding they might have had. We have to integrate old writings into what we have discovered about economics, politics, psychology, warfare, biology, linguistics...
One may have a sure and certain intimate conviction concerning a point and still allow that other perceptual centers/persons could have another.
For some of us, "Angels" are a metaphor and we don't take them for actual entities we're likely to encounter, and even if we did we would think it a hallucination. As for the stories carried across the millennia by the Bible, they are very important and interesting and applicable in adding to knowledge. Our times match so poorly with those of thousands of years ago that the subtleties they would have had for our ancestors of the epoch are imperceptible to us. We have to admit to being incapable of the kind of understanding they might have had. We have to integrate old writings into what we have discovered about economics, politics, psychology, warfare, biology, linguistics...
One may have a sure and certain intimate conviction concerning a point and still allow that other perceptual centers/persons could have another.
The point is that, after all, parable is the only applicable term to the entire Bible. Matt.13:34 testifies to this in describing how Jesus taught.
The point is that, after all, parable is the only applicable term to the entire Bible. Matt.13:34 testifies to this in describing how Jesus taught.
The direct creation of God could be interpreted as the angel of the Lord. Moses as an example with the burning bush.John 1:12 KJV
Biblically, the term "sons of God" is used in a few different ways. You are pointing to the New Testament, and yes, in the New Testament, those of us who receive Jesus become "sons" (or daughters) of God. We literally become children of God.
However, in the Old Testament, every time the phrase "sons of God" is used, it is referring to angels.
The only other use of the term son of God that I know of is referring to Jesus.
So, the the 3 uses of that phrase are:
I believe that the reason angels are referred to as "sons of God" in the Old Testament is because they were direct creations of God.
- Angels
- Genuine Christians (those who are spiritually "born" from above)
- Jesus
I feel that you should at least consider the following:For some of us, "Angels" are a metaphor and we don't take them for actual entities we're likely to encounter, and even if we did we would think it a hallucination. As for the stories carried across the millennia by the Bible, they are very important and interesting and applicable in adding to knowledge. Our times match so poorly with those of thousands of years ago that the subtleties they would have had for our ancestors of the epoch are imperceptible to us. We have to admit to being incapable of the kind of understanding they might have had. We have to integrate old writings into what we have discovered about economics, politics, psychology, warfare, biology, linguistics...
One may have a sure and certain intimate conviction concerning a point and still allow that other perceptual centers/persons could have another.
Just out of curiosity, what do you identify as, as far as religion/spirituality goes?
The thing is, this thread is not about whether or not angels exist. (That might be a good topic for a thread of its own.) That's why in the original post I said, "If you're a believer, what is your take on Genesis 6:4?" To be more clear, I probably should have said, "if you're a believing Christian", because the word believer is very broad.
I feel that you should at least consider the following:For some of us, "Angels" are a metaphor and we don't take them for actual entities we're likely to encounter, and even if we did we would think it a hallucination. As for the stories carried across the millennia by the Bible, they are very important and interesting and applicable in adding to knowledge. Our times match so poorly with those of thousands of years ago that the subtleties they would have had for our ancestors of the epoch are imperceptible to us. We have to admit to being incapable of the kind of understanding they might have had. We have to integrate old writings into what we have discovered about economics, politics, psychology, warfare, biology, linguistics...
One may have a sure and certain intimate conviction concerning a point and still allow that other perceptual centers/persons could have another.
Just out of curiosity, what do you identify as, as far as religion/spirituality goes?
The thing is, this thread is not about whether or not angels exist. (That might be a good topic for a thread of its own.) That's why in the original post I said, "If you're a believer, what is your take on Genesis 6:4?" To be more clear, I probably should have said, "if you're a believing Christian", because the word believer is very broad.
The book of giants explains that the sons of God, the watchers, were angels sent to earth to guide humanity.
The screwed a bunch of chicks and made the monsters who turned earth into a cesspool of sin and madness.
The book of Enoch is by far the most interesting book.
It also gives a more accurate detailing of Eden and such because it wasnt raped by political and theological activists like genesis was.
Plus, aliens.
They arent trustworthy because man didnt add it to the book? Lol totally makes senseThe book of giants explains that the sons of God, the watchers, were angels sent to earth to guide humanity.
The screwed a bunch of chicks and made the monsters who turned earth into a cesspool of sin and madness.
The book of Enoch is by far the most interesting book.
It also gives a more accurate detailing of Eden and such because it wasnt raped by political and theological activists like genesis was.
Plus, aliens.
Yeah, as far as I know most of the extra-biblical texts talk about the Watchers who were sent to help humanity.
I think the reason why many Christians go for the "sons of Seth" interpretation is because they think the Angelic interpretation is only supported by the extra-biblical texts which they don't believe are trustworthy. Plus, it sounds completely crazy, that angels mated with humans. Which is why I think someone in the 4th century came up with the Sethite interpretation in the first place, lol.
They arent trustworthy because man didnt add it to the book? Lol totally makes senseThe book of giants explains that the sons of God, the watchers, were angels sent to earth to guide humanity.
The screwed a bunch of chicks and made the monsters who turned earth into a cesspool of sin and madness.
The book of Enoch is by far the most interesting book.
It also gives a more accurate detailing of Eden and such because it wasnt raped by political and theological activists like genesis was.
Plus, aliens.
Yeah, as far as I know most of the extra-biblical texts talk about the Watchers who were sent to help humanity.
I think the reason why many Christians go for the "sons of Seth" interpretation is because they think the Angelic interpretation is only supported by the extra-biblical texts which they don't believe are trustworthy. Plus, it sounds completely crazy, that angels mated with humans. Which is why I think someone in the 4th century came up with the Sethite interpretation in the first place, lol.
And angels screwing humans is what you think is crazy? Lmao
I bet you didnt know the only reason Enoch was rejected by the jews was because some of it pertained to Jesus. Lol you christians basically say the jews are wrong about their own religion literally every day because they dont believe jesus is their messiah..
I guess consistency is detremint to mythology.
The Bible is a living book. It doesn't exist except as GOD wished it to be. Man didn't make it up --- GOD revealed it. Man didn't simply pick and choose ---- the HOLY SPIRIT influenced what GOD foreordain to be written down and protected. Those writings which were fake and made up and mystical fabrications, GOD prevented their inclusion in the Canon of Scripture known as GOD's WORD.
Lol god killed everyone with a flood and the main reason for it, the Giants, survived. Just like the canaanites.
God doesnt have a very good track record of murdering correctly.
The Bible is a living book. It doesn't exist except as GOD wished it to be. Man didn't make it up --- GOD revealed it. Man didn't simply pick and choose ---- the HOLY SPIRIT influenced what GOD foreordain to be written down and protected. Those writings which were fake and made up and mystical fabrications, GOD prevented their inclusion in the Canon of Scripture known as GOD's WORD.
I wondering where anyone see angels as the sons of God except for a passage in Job which doesn't actually say the sons of God were angels.
I wondering where anyone see angels as the sons of God except for a passage in Job which doesn't actually say the sons of God were angels.
