Who Needs Planned Parenthood??

[Where_r_my_Keys]

For our friends on the left..

Since you support abortion of demand at any stage of a pregnancy, why limit it to pre-birth? What difference do you see in a partial birth abortion and killing a 1 year old? What exactly is the difference in your mind?

You're lying about me, asshole. As usual.

OK, great. Then tell us what is different between killing a child as it comes out of its mother and killing it when it is 1 year old.

I am waiting for carbon head, jilly, or any of our lib friends to answer the question. partial birth killing vs killing at 1 year--------whats the difference as you libs see it?

That's going to be quite a wait.

As there is no difference. And as the Left slowly eeks their collective out of their protective shell... feeling that they're idiocy is becoming sufficiently popular, we are seeing them admit such in their own private debates on the issue. Anyone familiar with the DU, has likely witnessed the cluck-fests wherein they are now, at least amongst themselves, openly discussing the 'termination' of 'defective' children.

It's all part and parcel of the same perversion of reasoning that provides for Death Panels in obamaScare and in every other facets of socialized healthcare.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The anti-abortion movement is solely based on irrational emotion. There is no rational argument against providing women a safe, legal window of opportunity to terminate a pregnancy.

Ridiculous arrogance. It is perfectly rational to want to protect unborn babies.

We protect animals from being mistreated. We protect children from being beaten. Why not offer unborn babies the basic right to life?

There is no right to life, period.

Were you an America, you might think differently...

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thomas Jefferson

pssst... those words aren't law.

Psst... Those words are the basis of US Jurisprudence. As they are the foundation upon which the United States rests.

Reader, there is truly no bottom to the ignorance essential to the limitations of Left-think.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually, it is....

But then again....accidents happen.

Explain how it's my responsibility to pay for it?

Then rationally you should support putting women in prison as murderers for having abortions,

but you don't, which means you don't really believe your own propaganda.

If the People decide they want abortions paid for with tax money, then it's your responsibility to pay your taxes while you try to get the laws changed;

since that is currently not the case, what are you complaining about?

the complaint is that tax dollars are funding an abortion mill known as PP. Gowdy took the PP CEO apart on the stand yesterday. She looked like the corrupt lying bitch that she is.

1. planned parenthood is not an "abortion mill".
2. even if it was it would be legal.
3. no federal money is going to abortion.

now run along.

Great...

Then since all of those other services are covered by Obozocare, and are readily available from other providers (unless you are ready to admit Obozocare is a failure), the federal government doesn't need to finance PP...

Thanks for playing...

always funny when really, really stupid people who don't even know their own president's name try to play

p.s. there is no insurance plan called "obamacare". there is the Affordable Care Act which allowed millions of people to obtain affordable insurance. there are still many people who aren't insured or who are underinsured.

but it's good to know that you hate women so much that you think that the millions of cancer screenings, etc, that planned parenthood does every year, which forms the vast majority of that planned parenthood does, should be terminated because you "disapprove" of a legal act which isn't funded by your tax dollars.

good thing is no one cares what you approve of.

1. "but it's good to know that you hate women"
Count on Liberals to retreat to DNC talking points when they can't deal with the truth.

2. "...millions of cancer screenings, etc, that planned parenthood does every year, which forms the vast majority of that planned parenthood does, should be terminated....."
An absurd fabrication.

From my earlier post:
"...claim that “women will be out of health care for reproductive causes” if Planned Parenthood no longer receives taxpayer dollars is also untrue.In fact, as Alliance Defending Freedom has documented,there are 13,540 health care clinics that could help women. (In contrast, Planned Parenthood has 665 clinics.)

If Planned Parenthood’s taxpayer funding is ended, that money will be redirected to health care clinics that serve women.


Furthermore, 72 percent of voters agree that “taxpayer dollars would be better spent directed to the more than 13,000 health centers and hospitals providing comprehensive women’s health care.”


We can make sure women have access to health carewithout using taxpayer dollars to fund an organization responsible for around one out of every three abortions in the United States."
What Miss Tenn. Got Wrong About Planned Parenthood, Women’s Health


"....13,540 health care clinics that could help women. (In contrast, Planned Parenthood has 665 clinics."

Bulletin: 13,540 is more than 665.
True story.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

1. planned parenthood is not an "abortion mill".

Absurdly and demonstrably FALSE.

2. even if it was it would be legal.

Only in a degenerating culture which had separated Law from the objectivity essential to sustaining the validity essential to law.

3. no federal money is going to abortion.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's just tissue. .....

 

[PoliticalChic]

"no. it's part of the woman's body."
No, it isn't.

Since it dies the same time that she does, that matters very little, if at all.

How often is that the case?

And....it matters a great deal, since the death rate for abortion is very near 100%.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"no. it's part of the woman's body."
No, it isn't.

Since it dies the same time that she does, that matters very little, if at all.

How often is that the case?

And....it matters a great deal, since the death rate for abortion is very near 100%.

It doesn't matter how often. One can survive without the other, and one cannot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Neither did Sanger.

I have given you her quotes proving otherwise. Here they are again

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, In Her Own Words

The very first quote in that link says Sanger called blacks "human weeds".

That's a lie. And you can tell it is a lie by the fact they put those words in total isolation without showing the full context. She makes NO reference to blacks in the statement that comes from.

In short, your source is full of shit.

Prove it. your saying it proves nothing. If the source is lying why hasn't PP sued them for slander?

Sanger opposed the eugenicists, as she states here:

• Eugenists imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we contend that her duty to herself is her first duty to the state. We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother.

Margaret Sanger Quotes - Controversial Contraceptives Pioneer

We understand the rationalization that Sanger used to justify murdering pre-born children Gilligan. What you are simply incapable of understanding is that for that rationalization to be VALID... the woman's first duty is to CHOOSE WISELY in with whom, when and where she allows a man to insert his reproductive organ into her reproductive organ.

As once she CHOOSES to allow a man to DO SO... she has MADE HER CHOICE. And must from that point forward bear the responsibilities intrinsic to HER CHOICE!

Actually Sanger agreed with YOU on abortion:

"while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."

 

[NYcarbineer]

"no. it's part of the woman's body."
No, it isn't.

Since it dies the same time that she does, that matters very little, if at all.

How often is that the case?

And....it matters a great deal, since the death rate for abortion is very near 100%.

Then why don't you support sending women to prison for having abortions?

 

[NYcarbineer]

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The Hyde Amendment is.

...irrelevant to the Planned Parenthood debate since PP complies.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I am an American, a real one while you aren't even an American in name only.

Silly Relativist: THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!
And that is because Nature precludes the means for one to simultaneously adhere to BOTH the THESIS and the ANTI-Thesis.​

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Then why don't you support sending women to prison for having abortions?

That would require her to be honest, using a valid argument that follows from one end to the other, so that ain't happen'.

If abortion is murder, cold-blooded murder for hire no less, than an abortion should result in the death penalty for the woman who aborted on purpose.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I actually never supported that because it was clear it would be used by wingers who don't understand the word "CHOICE"... it has to do with taking away another person's CHOICE... you can't kill another person and you can't interfere with a woman's exercise of her own will over her own body....

same as you can't take away my property without my PERMISSION

a baby in the womb is not part of the woman's body, it is a separate and distinct human being that is temporarliy dependent on the mother for nourishment.

but you dodged the question, if a fetus is not a human being why is the murderer of a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder?

er... no. it's part of the woman's body. that was one of the issues examined by Roe v Wade. admittedly, it wasn't a perfect decision, but it got the job done.

then why stop at pre birth killing, why not allow the child to be killed up to the age of two if the mother finds it too difficult to deal with or is just tired of being a mother?

Shit, why not allow it up to 16 when kids can really become difficult?

Now you're opening up some real interesting issues, considering how retarded and difficult the Libs can be...

again... always funny when the stupidest of posters opine about others.

psssssst... over 60% of the country doesn't agree with you about planned parenthood.

and greater numbers disagree with the rabid right about most other issues.

60%?

Did you know that in 1938, Hitler entered Vienna, greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.


So....what do those percentages have to do with rectitude and/or morality?

I subscribe to the Ten Commandments.....how about you?

 

[Ava]

Yes, we agree that she started PP to provide abortions, that was never in question. Funny how you ignored all of her quotes about blacks being inferior and "human weeds" . But you are a libtard so its what we expect from you

She was against abortion.

Why did Martin Luther King say this about her?

"There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist — a nonviolent resister. She was willing to accept scorn and abuse until the truth she saw was revealed to the millions. At the turn of the century she went into the slums and set up a birth control clinic, and for this deed she went to jail because she was violating an unjust law. Yet the years have justified her actions. She launched a movement which is obeying a higher law to preserve human life under humane conditions. Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision; for without them there would have been no beginning. Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her. Negroes have no mere academic nor ordinary interest in family planning. They have a special and urgent concern.

Recently the subject of Negro family life has received extensive attention. Unfortunately, studies have overemphasized the problem of the Negro male ego and almost entirely ignored the most serious element — Negro migration. During the past half century Negroes have migrated on a massive scale, transplanting millions from rural communities to crammed urban ghettoes. In their migration, as with all migrants, they carried with them the folkways of the countryside into an inhospitable city slum. The size of family that may have been appropriate and tolerable on a manually cultivated farm was carried over to the jammed streets of the ghetto. In all respects Negroes were atomized, neglected and discriminated against. Yet, the worst omission was the absence of institutions to acclimate them to their new environment. Margaret Sanger, who offered an important institutional remedy, was unfortunately ignored by social and political leaders in this period. In consequence, Negro folkways in family size persisted. The problem was compounded when unrestrained exploitation and discrimination accented the bewilderment of the newcomer, and high rates of illegitimacy and fragile family relationships resulted.

For the Negro, therefore, intelligent guides of family planning are a profoundly important ingredient in his quest for security and a decent life. There are mountainous obstacles still separating Negroes from a normal existence. Yet one element in stabilizing his life would be an understanding of and easy access to the means to develop a family related in size to his community environment and to the income potential he can command."

Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

nice quote, no where does MLK say that he supported black genocide via abortion.

Neither did Sanger.

I have given you her quotes proving otherwise. Here they are again

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, In Her Own Words

The very first quote in that link says Sanger called blacks "human weeds".

That's a lie. And you can tell it is a lie by the fact they put those words in total isolation without showing the full context. She makes NO reference to blacks in the statement that comes from.

In short, your source is full of shit.

Ole' Margaret misspelled slaves??

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Then why don't you support sending women to prison for having abortions?

Why wouldn't she? She supports sending women to prison for carving up and dismembering Dogs... or shoplifting, or stealing other people's property.

Why would someone not be for sending a woman to prison for murdering her baby that was depending upon her protection as it was developing in her womb?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I subscribe to the Ten Commandments.....how about you?

Really? How about this one?

"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

 

[NYcarbineer]

Then why don't you support sending women to prison for having abortions?

That would require her to honest, using a valid argument that follows from one end to the other, so that ain't happen'...

She never stopped to think what is the logical reasonable rational end to her professed position.

She has no desire to send women to prison for life for abortion because she doesn't really believe abortion is murder.
That position btw is rampant within the 'abortion is murder' crowd.

 

[PoliticalChic]

the complaint is that tax dollars are funding an abortion mill known as PP. Gowdy took the PP CEO apart on the stand yesterday. She looked like the corrupt lying bitch that she is.

1. planned parenthood is not an "abortion mill".
2. even if it was it would be legal.
3. no federal money is going to abortion.

now run along.

Great...

Then since all of those other services are covered by Obozocare, and are readily available from other providers (unless you are ready to admit Obozocare is a failure), the federal government doesn't need to finance PP...

Thanks for playing...

always funny when really, really stupid people who don't even know their own president's name try to play

p.s. there is no insurance plan called "obamacare". there is the Affordable Care Act which allowed millions of people to obtain affordable insurance. there are still many people who aren't insured or who are underinsured.

but it's good to know that you hate women so much that you think that the millions of cancer screenings, etc, that planned parenthood does every year, which forms the vast majority of that planned parenthood does, should be terminated because you "disapprove" of a legal act which isn't funded by your tax dollars.

good thing is no one cares what you approve of.

So you're saying Obozocare isn't working...

Please continue...

no, i'm saying there is no such thing as "obozocare" and that you don't understand the Affordable Care Act.

idiota.

So....how come you haven't provided the percentages of folks who disapprove of it?

It's about the same 60% you quoted earlier.

Sometimes percentages don't count, huh?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

for you libs who are too dumb to look something up on google

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, In Her Own Words

In her own words:

• Woman must have her freedom, the fundamental freedom of choosing whether or not she will be a mother and how many children she will have. Regardless of what man's attitude may be, that problem is hers -- and before it can be his, it is hers alone. She goes through the vale of death alone, each time a babe is born. As it is the right neither of man nor the state to coerce her into this ordeal, so it is her right to decide whether she will endure it.

This only works if we were to assume that females are hapless idiots without any self control. I don't accept this. How does one explain the millions upon millions of women who don't get pregnant when they are unwilling to have children?

I guess they're just freaks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Then why don't you support sending women to prison for having abortions?

Why wouldn't she? She supports sending women to prison for carving up and dismembering Dogs... or shoplifting, or stealing other people's property.

Why would someone not be for sending a woman to prison for murdering her baby that was depending upon her protection as it was developing in her womb?

Well, unfortunately she's Korean, so your butchering of dogs analogy is a bit misguided, BUT, more importantly,

she will not state for the record her view on what the penalty SHOULD be for women having abortions.

Unlike you, crazed as you are, she is dishonest...

...she loves the rhetoric but runs from the reality.