Who to believe?

[Marciad5]

I became interested in this topic a few years ago when I learned how much money the US gives Israel, which led me on a quest to see exactly how all this money was spent. Unfortunately, what I have so far learned is not very favorable to Israel. Since the US is obviously biased in its support of Israel, I've really had to search for anything that might be seen as criticizing Israel.

I believe there are always two sides to any conflict, so I thought maybe someone might point me in the direction where I could read unbiased news about this situation. I've done lots of reading on my own, but it's difficult to find just the facts.
Thanks-

 

[Bloodrock44]

There is no unbiased news in this situation...oh wait check out SherriMunnerlyn. She is the most unbiased news source in the forum.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I became interested in this topic a few years ago when I learned how much money the US gives Israel, which led me on a quest to see exactly how all this money was spent. Unfortunately, what I have so far learned is not very favorable to Israel. Since the US is obviously biased in its support of Israel, I've really had to search for anything that might be seen as criticizing Israel.

I believe there are always two sides to any conflict, so I thought maybe someone might point me in the direction where I could read unbiased news about this situation. I've done lots of reading on my own, but it's difficult to find just the facts.
Thanks-

I don't use:

Sites that call names or vilify whole groups of people.

Reports that are verifiable to be false.

Reports that simply don't make sense.

I do use actual documents like the League of Nations Covenant, UN Charter, Palestine Mandate, rights conventions, armistice agreements, etc..

 

[Mojo2]

I became interested in this topic a few years ago when I learned how much money the US gives Israel, which led me on a quest to see exactly how all this money was spent. Unfortunately, what I have so far learned is not very favorable to Israel. Since the US is obviously biased in its support of Israel, I've really had to search for anything that might be seen as criticizing Israel.

I believe there are always two sides to any conflict, so I thought maybe someone might point me in the direction where I could read unbiased news about this situation. I've done lots of reading on my own, but it's difficult to find just the facts.
Thanks-

I don't use:

Sites that call names or vilify whole groups of people.

Reports that are verifiable to be false.

Reports that simply don't make sense.

I do use actual documents like the League of Nations Covenant, UN Charter, Palestine Mandate, rights conventions, armistice agreements, etc..

All of those are arguably THE most biased sources AGAINST Israel.

To the OP:

[MENTION=45752]Marciad5[/MENTION]

All you can do is keep searching and always know where the bias is coming from when examining each source and who is trying to 'sell' you a bill of goods andf what is their ultimate goal.

With that in mind I will provide you some sources of info that you can judge the validity of for yourself.

Should Israel Exist?

A Sovereign Nation under Attack by the International Community

by Michael Curtis

Balfour Books, 2012. 352 pp. $24.95

Reviewed by Amir Taheri

June 25, 2012 at 4:15 am

Imagine if someone suggested that you should read a book that discusses whether or not Norway, or the United States for that matter, should exist. You would be shocked or at least surprised that anyone would want to question the right of a sovereign nation, and a member of the United Nations, to exist. In the case of Israel, however, posing that question does not seem to be out-of-bounds. At any given time, you might hear of or even attend conferences and seminars on that very subject in some American or Western European university.

It is, therefore, no surprise that Michael Curtis, a distinguished scholar and professor emeritus at Rutgers University, has devoted a whole book to examining the subject and refuting the claims of those who question Israel's right to exist. The result is a masterly essay in which the best tools of scholarship are employed in the service of what is, after all, a moral case in support of Israel.

At first glance, Israel could be regarded as typical of the 150 or so nation-states that have emerged in the four corners of the globe in the wake of the World War II. Politically, it is the fruit of a liberation struggle against an imperial power—in this case Great Britain. Territorially, it is located in a chunk of an even older colonial power—in this case the Ottoman Empire. Legally, it is a creature of the United Nations, which, as successor to the British mandate on Palestine, endorsed the creation of the Jewish state.

So, why should Israel be singled out as the target of a campaign of vilification seldom waged against any other nation?

The answer, as Curtis dramatically shows, is that Israel is different.

To start with, it is Jewish. That makes it the target of anti-Semitic sentiments and resentments that have deep roots in many Western and some Islamic societies. In many countries, anti-Semitism is no longer regarded as just another opinion, it is a crime punishable by the law. The way to get round that obstacle is to air anti-Semitic sentiments in the guise of a critique of Israel as a nation-state. To make that somewhat more palatable, a bit of spice is often added by evoking the sufferings of the Palestinians.

However, once the mayonnaise of political grievances against Israel is pushed aside, one is often left with the old unpalatable hatred of the Jew.

Then there is the fact that Israel has been a democratic island in a neighborhood of authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. The emergence of new democracies in the Middle East may well change the region's political landscape.

At the moment, however, as a democracy, Israel remains a threat to the despotic systems still dominant in the region.

Worse still, from the point of view of its detractors, Israel has been an outpost of the democratic world for more than six decades. It is, in the sense that Curtis sees Israel, the proverbial "canary in the coalmine." Throughout the Cold War, Israel acted as the advance guard of the free world in a region of vital geostrategic importance for the United States and its allies.

After the Cold War ended, Israel found itself in the front line of the global war against Islamic jihad in its many different forms.

That, in turn, meant that Israel was regarded as arch-foe by Islamists beating their chests about the "occupation" of a chunk of Islam's territory by an "infidel" power. Centuries of resentments caused by the "loss of Muslim lands" in Spain, Russia, and India, among others, are blended into a single witch's brew of hatred of and desire for revenge against Israel.

Thus, Israel's very existence, as Curtis shows, has led to the emergence of a curious coalition in which traditional anti-Semites, Stalinist Cold Warriors, useful idiots, pan-Arab hegemonists, anti-Americans of all stripes, and Islamist revanchists are united against a common foe.

In the Middle East, as Kenneth Bialkin notes in his introduction to Curtis's essay, history is "in the making but without a guidebook". What might emerge from the current wave of revolutionary change is anybody's guess. The best-case scenario is that the creation of democratic governments in at least some Arab states would remove a few of the hurdles to the acceptance of Israel as a neighbor if, at least initially, not as a friend. But even then, Israel's many enemies in the West would remain, clinging to hatred for the Jewish state as the backbone of their moribund ideologies.

Should Israel Exist? Curtis's answer is a resounding "Yes" backed by a masterly historical exposé and an unfailing moral commitment to what he regards as the justice of his cause.

An insightful historian, Curtis shows that he is an equally persuasive rhetorician. Add to all that the passion that Curtis injects into his work and you have a book that is both informative and enjoyable.

Related Topics: Israel | Amir Taheri

Review of Should Israel Exist?: A Sovereign Nation under Attack by the International Community :: Gatestone Institute

Amir Taheri (born 9 June 1942, Ahvaz) is an Iranian-born conservative[1] author based in Europe. His writings focus on the Middle East affairs and topics related to Islamist terrorism. He has been the subject of many controversies involving fabrications in his writings, most notable of which was the 2006 Iranian sumptuary law controversy. He's the current Chairman of Gatestone Institute in Europe.[2]

As the thread progresses I will post other sources I think will help you find the truth you seek.

 

[Mojo2]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muXcAW9aPe8]Aznar on Europe, America and Israel: Prager University - YouTube[/ame]

Starting at about 4:13.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I became interested in this topic a few years ago when I learned how much money the US gives Israel, which led me on a quest to see exactly how all this money was spent. Unfortunately, what I have so far learned is not very favorable to Israel. Since the US is obviously biased in its support of Israel, I've really had to search for anything that might be seen as criticizing Israel.

I believe there are always two sides to any conflict, so I thought maybe someone might point me in the direction where I could read unbiased news about this situation. I've done lots of reading on my own, but it's difficult to find just the facts.
Thanks-

I don't use:

Sites that call names or vilify whole groups of people.

Reports that are verifiable to be false.

Reports that simply don't make sense.

I do use actual documents like the League of Nations Covenant, UN Charter, Palestine Mandate, rights conventions, armistice agreements, etc..

All of those are arguably THE most biased sources AGAINST Israel.

To the OP:

[MENTION=45752]Marciad5[/MENTION]

All you can do is keep searching and always know where the bias is coming from when examining each source and who is trying to 'sell' you a bill of goods andf what is their ultimate goal.

With that in mind I will provide you some sources of info that you can judge the validity of for yourself.

Should Israel Exist?

A Sovereign Nation under Attack by the International Community

by Michael Curtis

Balfour Books, 2012. 352 pp. $24.95

Reviewed by Amir Taheri

June 25, 2012 at 4:15 am

Imagine if someone suggested that you should read a book that discusses whether or not Norway, or the United States for that matter, should exist. You would be shocked or at least surprised that anyone would want to question the right of a sovereign nation, and a member of the United Nations, to exist. In the case of Israel, however, posing that question does not seem to be out-of-bounds. At any given time, you might hear of or even attend conferences and seminars on that very subject in some American or Western European university.

It is, therefore, no surprise that Michael Curtis, a distinguished scholar and professor emeritus at Rutgers University, has devoted a whole book to examining the subject and refuting the claims of those who question Israel's right to exist. The result is a masterly essay in which the best tools of scholarship are employed in the service of what is, after all, a moral case in support of Israel.

At first glance, Israel could be regarded as typical of the 150 or so nation-states that have emerged in the four corners of the globe in the wake of the World War II. Politically, it is the fruit of a liberation struggle against an imperial power—in this case Great Britain. Territorially, it is located in a chunk of an even older colonial power—in this case the Ottoman Empire. Legally, it is a creature of the United Nations, which, as successor to the British mandate on Palestine, endorsed the creation of the Jewish state.

So, why should Israel be singled out as the target of a campaign of vilification seldom waged against any other nation?

The answer, as Curtis dramatically shows, is that Israel is different.

To start with, it is Jewish. That makes it the target of anti-Semitic sentiments and resentments that have deep roots in many Western and some Islamic societies. In many countries, anti-Semitism is no longer regarded as just another opinion, it is a crime punishable by the law. The way to get round that obstacle is to air anti-Semitic sentiments in the guise of a critique of Israel as a nation-state. To make that somewhat more palatable, a bit of spice is often added by evoking the sufferings of the Palestinians.

However, once the mayonnaise of political grievances against Israel is pushed aside, one is often left with the old unpalatable hatred of the Jew.

Then there is the fact that Israel has been a democratic island in a neighborhood of authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. The emergence of new democracies in the Middle East may well change the region's political landscape.

At the moment, however, as a democracy, Israel remains a threat to the despotic systems still dominant in the region.

Worse still, from the point of view of its detractors, Israel has been an outpost of the democratic world for more than six decades. It is, in the sense that Curtis sees Israel, the proverbial "canary in the coalmine." Throughout the Cold War, Israel acted as the advance guard of the free world in a region of vital geostrategic importance for the United States and its allies.

After the Cold War ended, Israel found itself in the front line of the global war against Islamic jihad in its many different forms.

That, in turn, meant that Israel was regarded as arch-foe by Islamists beating their chests about the "occupation" of a chunk of Islam's territory by an "infidel" power. Centuries of resentments caused by the "loss of Muslim lands" in Spain, Russia, and India, among others, are blended into a single witch's brew of hatred of and desire for revenge against Israel.

Thus, Israel's very existence, as Curtis shows, has led to the emergence of a curious coalition in which traditional anti-Semites, Stalinist Cold Warriors, useful idiots, pan-Arab hegemonists, anti-Americans of all stripes, and Islamist revanchists are united against a common foe.

In the Middle East, as Kenneth Bialkin notes in his introduction to Curtis's essay, history is "in the making but without a guidebook". What might emerge from the current wave of revolutionary change is anybody's guess. The best-case scenario is that the creation of democratic governments in at least some Arab states would remove a few of the hurdles to the acceptance of Israel as a neighbor if, at least initially, not as a friend. But even then, Israel's many enemies in the West would remain, clinging to hatred for the Jewish state as the backbone of their moribund ideologies.

Should Israel Exist? Curtis's answer is a resounding "Yes" backed by a masterly historical exposé and an unfailing moral commitment to what he regards as the justice of his cause.

An insightful historian, Curtis shows that he is an equally persuasive rhetorician. Add to all that the passion that Curtis injects into his work and you have a book that is both informative and enjoyable.

Related Topics: Israel | Amir Taheri

Review of Should Israel Exist?: A Sovereign Nation under Attack by the International Community :: Gatestone Institute

Amir Taheri (born 9 June 1942, Ahvaz) is an Iranian-born conservative[1] author based in Europe. His writings focus on the Middle East affairs and topics related to Islamist terrorism. He has been the subject of many controversies involving fabrications in his writings, most notable of which was the 2006 Iranian sumptuary law controversy. He's the current Chairman of Gatestone Institute in Europe.[2]

As the thread progresses I will post other sources I think will help you find the truth you seek.

Legally, it is a creature of the United Nations, which, as successor to the British mandate on Palestine, endorsed the creation of the Jewish state.

The UN was established a couple years before the end of the mandate.

What did the UN have to do with the creation of Israel?

 

[Lipush]

I became interested in this topic a few years ago when I learned how much money the US gives Israel, which led me on a quest to see exactly how all this money was spent. Unfortunately, what I have so far learned is not very favorable to Israel. Since the US is obviously biased in its support of Israel, I've really had to search for anything that might be seen as criticizing Israel.

I believe there are always two sides to any conflict, so I thought maybe someone might point me in the direction where I could read unbiased news about this situation. I've done lots of reading on my own, but it's difficult to find just the facts.
Thanks-

Unbiased news? Tell me when you find them.

Didn't come across any.

 

[dreolin]

I became interested in this topic a few years ago when I learned how much money the US gives Israel, which led me on a quest to see exactly how all this money was spent. Unfortunately, what I have so far learned is not very favorable to Israel. Since the US is obviously biased in its support of Israel, I've really had to search for anything that might be seen as criticizing Israel.

I believe there are always two sides to any conflict, so I thought maybe someone might point me in the direction where I could read unbiased news about this situation. I've done lots of reading on my own, but it's difficult to find just the facts.
Thanks-

I read this

Israel News: Ynetnews

It has a bias but it isn't too bad. What is really interesting (and shocking) is the "talkback" sections at the bottom of the articles. Talk about a chauvinistic, bloodthirsty citizenry.

And here is an excellent flipside...

Fact-Based, In-Depth News | Al Jazeera America

Also a bit biased but you really aren't going to get away from that.

Are you new here too, Good luck. XXXXXXX

Also, you can get pretty good info from wiki and the European presses. BBC does a good job.

 

[docmauser1]

I do use actual documents like the League of Nations Covenant, UN Charter, Palestine Mandate, rights conventions, armistice agreements, etc..

Yeah, right. That's why we still don't know who was that shakh, emir, pasha, sultan, king, president, prime-minister of that "palestine" to have state lands, of course.

 

[Pennywise]

I became interested in this topic a few years ago when I learned how much money the US gives Israel, which led me on a quest to see exactly how all this money was spent. Unfortunately, what I have so far learned is not very favorable to Israel. Since the US is obviously biased in its support of Israel, I've really had to search for anything that might be seen as criticizing Israel.

I believe there are always two sides to any conflict, so I thought maybe someone might point me in the direction where I could read unbiased news about this situation. I've done lots of reading on my own, but it's difficult to find just the facts.
Thanks-

The only way to understand anything, is to go to first source material and work your way to the present. There is no understanding of the American Republic without understanding how, why and where from whence we sprung, (which BTW is why the left always looks to rewrite actual history, but that is another discussion). To better understand the conflict of Israel and Palestine, start by looking at the history of its creation-

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict