Who's Afraid of Socialism?

There are sanctions, but they are sanctions against individuals who are acting corruptly on the world market, at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

They target specific officials in the Venezuelan government, that are using the power of the government to screw over what little wealth is left in the country, and exporting it into hidden accounts out of the country.
They target the basis of Venezuela's economy in much the same way US sanctions have targeted Cuba with exactly the same motive: to destroy any alternative to the Washington Consensus.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf

"Broader Economic Sanctions In addition to targeted sanctions against individuals, President Trump has imposed broader economic sanctions on Venezuela because of the government’s serious human rights abuses, antidemocratic actions, and responsibility for the deepening humanitarian crisis.

"In August 2017, President Trump issued E.O. 13808, which prohibits access to the U.S. financial markets by the Venezuelan government, including Venezuela’s state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA, with certain exceptions to minimize the impact on the Venezuelan people and U.S. economic interests.

"The sanctions seek to restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to U.S. debt and equity markets.

"Among the exceptions are transactions for new debt by CITGO, owned by PdVSA; transactions by U.S. owners of Venezuelan/PdVSA bonds on secondary markets; financing for agricultural and medical exports; and short-term financing to facilitate trade."
What's stopping Venezuela from going to Europe or all the socialist Utopias for these things? Isn't socialism supposed to be the superior economic system?
Possibly, Europe "or all the socialist Utopias..." don't want to run afoul of the world's reserve currency by helping Venezuela. Why do you suppose the US believes it has the unilateral right to economically sanction any sovereign nation that doesn't bow before the Washington Consensus?
The US does have the right to impose sanctions involving any transactions with people or firms in the United States. That's called "sovereignty."

How do you "run afoul" of a currency? The US cannot force European countries not to do business with Venezuela. We all know the reason it doesn't happen is because the Europeans also no that Venezuela is a deadbeat. It's credit is no good.
 
Well of course not doofus... We on the right have been saying this since before Ronald Reagan. Rich people do not end up suffering from socialist policies. They either end up in bed with the government, or they end up leaving. Rich from New York and California, leave for lower tax, less socialist states all the time. The rich in France left in droves. The rich in Russia moved to west Europe when Putin was cracking down.
How does real estate affect the net worth of the rich?
The rich can run and hide (it is what they do best); however, they won't be taking all their private property with them.
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https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...l-estate-tycoon-is-a-warning-from-history-950

There should be no private property, eh comrade?
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"1. Simplified Version of Proudhon’s Argument
In Proudhon’s period, the animating assumption of essentially all works on property was that God created the earth and gave it to mankind in common to use.

"This was the long-standing Christian view, which was notably reflected in Thomist thought and even received a ringing endorsement from John Locke. The Christianist idea of the common ownership of all of the earth is Proudhon’s starting point."

Why Property Is Theft and Why It Matters
Common ownership is bullshit. If I plow a field and grow a crop of corn in it, what gives anyone else the right to share it?
What gives you the right to take possession of the field?
The fact that I put labor into it and that no one else has claimed it is what gives me the right.
 
Do you see how a market that distributes goods and services based solely on the ability to pay will exclude a large percentage of workers from being unable to buy what they produce?
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You are a troll, and you misrepresent Marx.

Marx never said anything that stupid - you are making shit up and attributing it to others.
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E. Germain: The Marxist Theory of Imperialism and its Critics (1955)

Yeah, when I'm looking for an expert on economics, my favorite source is a Marxist lawyer.....DERP!
Who's your top pick for economic's expert?
Peter Schiff
Peter Schiff: The Recession Is A Done Deal
Jan. 21, 2019 3:07 PM ET"

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4234555-peter-schiff-recession-done-deal
 
You are a troll, and you misrepresent Marx.

Marx never said anything that stupid - you are making shit up and attributing it to others.
lenins-theory-of-imperialism-7-638.jpg

E. Germain: The Marxist Theory of Imperialism and its Critics (1955)

Yeah, when I'm looking for an expert on economics, my favorite source is a Marxist lawyer.....DERP!
Who's your top pick for economic's expert?
Peter Schiff
Peter Schiff: The Recession Is A Done Deal
Jan. 21, 2019 3:07 PM ET"

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4234555-peter-schiff-recession-done-deal
Peter Schiff-for-brains is a moron.
 
Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
I don’t even have the energy to respond to everything wrong with this. I would take up an entire page responding to the first paragraph alone.
 
The main thing is, the government. must. control. every. god. damned. thing.
Of course, dumbass and always will. The question is dumbass giveaway to the rich and screw the rest and the country GOP control, or intelligent Democratic control. Look at those stats, idiot....

Nope. Totalitarian government is very bad thing, regardless of whether it's Democratic or not.

(See how I disagreed with you without name-calling and insults. You should try it!)
 
So what?
The question is whether we want more socialism or less, whether state control over our economic decisions is a good thing and should be expanded, or a dangerous power that should be strictly limited.
Why would you think democratic control of our economic decisions represents a bigger threat than oligarchic control of our economic decisions?
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Group of 30 :: Consultative Group on International Economic and Monetary Affairs, Inc.

"The Group of Thirty aims to deepen understanding of international economic and financial issues, and to explore the international repercussions of decisions taken in the public and private sectors. The Group is characterized by its knowledge of the past and broad-minded, forward thinking."
 
Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
I don’t even have the energy to respond to everything wrong with this. I would take up an entire page responding to the first paragraph alone.
Hundreds of books have been written about it.
 
So what?
The question is whether we want more socialism or less, whether state control over our economic decisions is a good thing and should be expanded, or a dangerous power that should be strictly limited.
Why would you think democratic control of our economic decisions represents a bigger threat than oligarchic control of our economic decisions?
Because there is a profound difference between economic power and political power and each must be limited to ensure freedom. Economic power is limited by the prohibition on coercion. Political power is limited by the Constitution. Socialism seeks to combine the two and remove the limitations. That's why it's so dangerous and why it so often leads to totalitarian government.
 
So what?
The question is whether we want more socialism or less, whether state control over our economic decisions is a good thing and should be expanded, or a dangerous power that should be strictly limited.
Why would you think democratic control of our economic decisions represents a bigger threat than oligarchic control of our economic decisions?
home_G30_Buenos_Aires2.jpg

Group of 30 :: Consultative Group on International Economic and Monetary Affairs, Inc.

"The Group of Thirty aims to deepen understanding of international economic and financial issues, and to explore the international repercussions of decisions taken in the public and private sectors. The Group is characterized by its knowledge of the past and broad-minded, forward thinking."
Anyone who believes democracy is a good way to make decisions is a certifiable moron. The term "oligarchy" is virtually meaningless.
 
So what?
The question is whether we want more socialism or less, whether state control over our economic decisions is a good thing and should be expanded, or a dangerous power that should be strictly limited.
Why would you think democratic control of our economic decisions represents a bigger threat than oligarchic control of our economic decisions?
Because there is a profound difference between economic power and political power and each must be limited to ensure freedom. Economic power is limited by the prohibition on coercion. Political power is limited by the Constitution. Socialism seeks to combine the two and remove the limitations. That's why it's so dangerous and why it so often leads to totalitarian government.
Unfortunately the Constitution hasn't worked.
 
Letting people keep more of their own money isn't a give away; however, welfare is a give away.
Do you believe you have a right to your pre-tax income?
If so, is is a legal or a moral right?
It's a moral right. What gives anyone else the right to it?
If you believe you have a moral right to your pre-tax income then you must believe an amoral market (at best) distributes incomes in a completely just manner.

So a cancer researcher earns more than some high-frequency parasite on Wall Street or a prissy New York real estate speculator, right?
 
Letting people keep more of their own money isn't a give away; however, welfare is a give away.
Do you believe you have a right to your pre-tax income?
If so, is is a legal or a moral right?
It's a moral right. What gives anyone else the right to it?
If you believe you have a moral right to your pre-tax income then you must believe an amoral market (at best) distributes incomes in a completely just manner.

So a cancer researcher earns more than some high-frequency parasite on Wall Street or a prissy New York real estate speculator, right?
As long as coercion isn't involved, then how is it unjust? You opinion on how much people should earn is purely idiosyncratic. It has no basis in fact.
 
The main thing is, the government. must. control. every. god. damned. thing.
Of course, dumbass and always will. The question is dumbass giveaway to the rich and screw the rest and the country GOP control, or intelligent Democratic control. Look at those stats, idiot....

Nope. Totalitarian government is very bad thing, regardless of whether it's Democratic or not.

(See how I disagreed with you without name-calling and insults. You should try it!)
Totalitarian means it is not democratic. or coming from the Democratic party either.
 
The main thing is, the government. must. control. every. god. damned. thing.
Of course, dumbass and always will. The question is dumbass giveaway to the rich and screw the rest and the country GOP control, or intelligent Democratic control. Look at those stats, idiot....

Nope. Totalitarian government is very bad thing, regardless of whether it's Democratic or not.

(See how I disagreed with you without name-calling and insults. You should try it!)
Totalitarian means it is not democratic. or coming from the Democratic party either.
No it doesn't. Democracy is not freedom.
 
Do you see how a market that distributes goods and services based solely on the ability to pay will exclude a large percentage of workers from being unable to buy what they produce?
III.+Marxist+Economics.jpg


You are a troll, and you misrepresent Marx.

Marx never said anything that stupid - you are making shit up and attributing it to others.
lenins-theory-of-imperialism-7-638.jpg

E. Germain: The Marxist Theory of Imperialism and its Critics (1955)

Yeah, when I'm looking for an expert on economics, my favorite source is a Marxist lawyer.....DERP!
Who's your top pick for economic's expert?
Ludwig von Mises.

I go with Rothbard, but Von Mises is a stellar pick.
 
Marx was never proved wrong. Marx's dialectic materialist philosophy still offers a viable way of critiquing our world. It is the process by which we can comprehend our situation and have an understanding for how to solve it. It is by this understanding that we know how utterly ignorant you are to think socialism is fair capitalism or that such a thing can even exist. What planet are you living on?

Say sparky, you every hear of a man named Hegel... :eusa_whistle:

Hegel's Dialectics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
 
Totalitarian means it is not democratic. or coming from the Democratic party either.

It is sad that you lack even the most basic understanding of history.

Lenin had perhaps the most democratic regime in history. People voted for who lived and who died. Naturally the Bourgeoisie, the middle class, were denied the vote; but the proletarians and aristocrats were able to vote to have people shot, to have them put into forced labor camps, ie concentration camps. They voted to deny housing to people in the sub-arctic of Petrograd and Volga.

Yet it was totalitarian and as brutal as you are stupid.

Good thing you never taught children. I child would be better off to have a 1" drill thought their brain than to be subjected to the vile ignorance you spew.
 

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