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You seem to be unfamiliar with Federali fuckups in history. They FUBAR things all the time.2AGuy's article about Air Marshalls' "quota" does not say a Surveillance Report automatically puts anyone on the FBI watch list. There is a list of criteria -- which the Orlando shooter did NOT meet, btw -- for putting someone on the list and keeping them there. If a tourist takes a picture out a plane window and there is nothing suspicious about this person's daily activities or past, they aren't going to end up on anyone's list. It's just a report by an air marshall of their observations on planes. The quota is ridiculous and should be struck down, but it doesn't put anyone on the Terror Watch List or the No Fly List unless a whole lot more is evident.
This is NOTHING but another attempt to stop any gun control. There was no one complaining about this list until it suddenly got tied to buying a firearm. Now. some of the FBI guys actually doing the terrorist surveillance don't like the list tied to buying a gun either, since it would or could tip the individual off that he is on the list if he is denied a gun. I don't know how we would get around that and still prohibit weapons to suspected terrorists.
The government already has plenty of restrictions on getting guns, and yet every time liberals propose these ideas with the implicit thought that THIS TIME the government will magically do its job correctly. And yet in mass shooting after mass shooting, dozens of current laws are violated all the time. Its like a compulsive obsessive disorder or something.We already have a No Gun list...where the people on it received all the due process you want...they are called convicted felons and they cannot buy, own or carry guns....and the magic list that they are on...and the magic list that you want with the no fly no buy list.....
90% of gun murder is committed by people on the convicted No Buy list for guns........
your magic no fly, no buy list will not stop mass shooters or criminals....it will cause major problems for law abiding people put on that list without due process....
Then why do Isis spokesmen publish videos encouraging their members to go to America to get guns and commit mass murder? Because it's easier here than any place else.
There is absolutely zero text in your previous response, which is a high mark in intelligence for you, I admit.Well said....but then again, you said nada, lol.Moron.....felons are already banned from gun ownership.....under current law.........and background checks don't stop felons from getting guns......do you have any idea what you are talking about?
On an iPad. Read it again you might learn something. Convicted felons can get guns after being released from prison. Takes 3 to 10 years
And whether felons can get guns is a state by state issue.
On an iPad. You won't go back and read it but Newsmax has posted the five federal loopholes for felons to acquire guns. Hide your fucking head in the sand and keep up the lies. It is what you do best
betcha not in Chicago....False comparison!You want Muslims who have been radicalized but have not yet carried out an attack to be buying AR-15's and flying in the same plane with you? You are nuts! That is who is on the list. Check out the reality of the situation sometime, instead of listening to a bunch of twisted propaganda.Aren't Police Officers the "good guys"? What makes a person with three or six months training superior in skill and mental stability to a retired Military Veteran or a person who excels at shooting sports? If the truth be known most Police Officers aren't interested in anything other than basic proficiency with a firearm and there are civilians who are not only interested in shooting sports but are forced to be aware of laws governing shooting situations. I'm not trying to put down Police Officers but they aren't the only "good guys" on the block.And it is up to the government to prove that with real evidence that will stand legal musterWho is denying anyone their Second Amendment Privilege? If one reads Heller without bias, they will realize even the late Justice Scalia limited the 2nd A. to a privilege and not an absolute right. Some people should never own or possess a gun. Do you not agree?
But that's not what people are doing are they? no they want to arbitrarily deny the rights of people because some government lackey secretly put their name on a list
Wrong....I just posted the story from ABC news...Air Marshals are putting people on the list because of a quota they need to fill each month.....
and again....
Rifles in mass shootings....149 dead in 34 years...1982-2016
Box cutters in 2001.....3,000 people......
Knives in 2014... 1,567
Which weapons are more deadly again?
You conveniently left out that knives and box cutters are close quarter weapons , rifles aren't.
Failed attempt at skewing the stats.
False comparison!
You conveniently left out that knives and box cutters are close quarter weapons , rifles aren't.
Failed attempt at skewing the stats
it is not a false comparison moron...........rifles actually killed fewer people than knives.....in objective reality.....rifles killed less people than knives did......
Knives killed 6 times more people than rifles did...over 6 times as many people...that makes them deadlier in reality than rifles...........
Do you fucking understand that?
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
For 2014 included......
All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))
Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)
Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )
Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)
And the numbers hold steady year after year...every year knives kill more people than all rifles do......
Nope it's a false comparison .so you can't refute those facts.False comparison!
You conveniently left out that knives and box cutters are close quarter weapons , rifles aren't.
Failed attempt at skewing the stats.
Smoke spin troll lie fail...again and again....
I refuted them moron....
Knives kill more people each and every year than rifles do...no matter that rifles can kill over a distance...the actual numbers show knives kill over 6 times as many poeple each year as rifles do........you are wrong....
The government already has plenty of restrictions on getting guns, and yet every time liberals propose these ideas with the implicit thought that THIS TIME the government will magically do its job correctly. And yet in mass shooting after mass shooting, dozens of current laws are violated all the time. Its like a compulsive obsessive disorder or something.We already have a No Gun list...where the people on it received all the due process you want...they are called convicted felons and they cannot buy, own or carry guns....and the magic list that they are on...and the magic list that you want with the no fly no buy list.....
90% of gun murder is committed by people on the convicted No Buy list for guns........
your magic no fly, no buy list will not stop mass shooters or criminals....it will cause major problems for law abiding people put on that list without due process....
Then why do Isis spokesmen publish videos encouraging their members to go to America to get guns and commit mass murder? Because it's easier here than any place else.
And here are the actual numbers.......with 320,000,000 guns in private hands in 2013...and 357,000,000 guns in private hands in 2016....
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
2016....3
2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)
2014....2 (4)
2013....5
2012....7
2011....3
2010....1
2009....4
2008....3
2007....4
2006....3
2005...2
2004....1
2003...1
2002 not listed so more than likely 0
2001....1
2000....1
1999....5
1998...3
1997....2
1996....1
1995...1
1994...1
1993...4
1992...2
1991...3
1990...1
1989...2
1988....1
1987...1
1986...1
1985... not listed so probably 0
1984...2
1983...not listed so probably 0
1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851
Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001
gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760
Deaths from mass shootings 2015..... 37
Smoke troll spin lie fail
'Refuting' daws is like washing a pig. The pig doesnt care and will still smell like shit when your through anyway.I refuted them moron....
Knives kill more people each and every year than rifles do...no matter that rifles can kill over a distance...the actual numbers show knives kill over 6 times as many poeple each year as rifles do........you are wrong....
Yeah, I worked for the state for 10 + years. Bureaucracies drive me mad and getting a mistake fixed can be a head-banging operation. But the former director of the FBI's Terrorism thingee that maintains the lists was talking about all this last weekend, and he knows what he's about, I think. The people panicking over these lists should get an idea what it's really about before they go semi-hysterical over it.You seem to be unfamiliar with Federali fuckups in history. They FUBAR things all the time.2AGuy's article about Air Marshalls' "quota" does not say a Surveillance Report automatically puts anyone on the FBI watch list. There is a list of criteria -- which the Orlando shooter did NOT meet, btw -- for putting someone on the list and keeping them there. If a tourist takes a picture out a plane window and there is nothing suspicious about this person's daily activities or past, they aren't going to end up on anyone's list. It's just a report by an air marshall of their observations on planes. The quota is ridiculous and should be struck down, but it doesn't put anyone on the Terror Watch List or the No Fly List unless a whole lot more is evident.
This is NOTHING but another attempt to stop any gun control. There was no one complaining about this list until it suddenly got tied to buying a firearm. Now. some of the FBI guys actually doing the terrorist surveillance don't like the list tied to buying a gun either, since it would or could tip the individual off that he is on the list if he is denied a gun. I don't know how we would get around that and still prohibit weapons to suspected terrorists.
I know because I have personally seen it and the bureaucrats would rather ignore it than fix it which makes the fuck up an official fact. They are very loathe to undo what they have done if it is a mistake, generally.
'Refuting' daws is like washing a pig. The pig doesnt care and will still smell like shit when your through anyway.I refuted them moron....
Knives kill more people each and every year than rifles do...no matter that rifles can kill over a distance...the actual numbers show knives kill over 6 times as many poeple each year as rifles do........you are wrong....
And you should know something about dirty pigs.
Nope it's a false comparison .so you can't refute those facts.False comparison!
You conveniently left out that knives and box cutters are close quarter weapons , rifles aren't.
Failed attempt at skewing the stats.
Smoke spin troll lie fail...again and again....
I refuted them moron....
Knives kill more people each and every year than rifles do...no matter that rifles can kill over a distance...the actual numbers show knives kill over 6 times as many poeple each year as rifles do........you are wrong....
How many mass killings are done with knives blunt objects?
You are deliberately choosing the wrong parameters.
Knives etc kill more people in one on one confrontations. Hand guns and rifles and explosives kill in more people more quickly and in greater numbers in less time.
Yeah, I worked for the state for 10 + years. Bureaucracies drive me mad and getting a mistake fixed can be a head-banging operation. But the former director of the FBI's Terrorism thingee that maintains the lists was talking about all this last weekend, and he knows what he's about, I think. The people panicking over these lists should get an idea what it's really about before they go semi-hysterical over it.You seem to be unfamiliar with Federali fuckups in history. They FUBAR things all the time.2AGuy's article about Air Marshalls' "quota" does not say a Surveillance Report automatically puts anyone on the FBI watch list. There is a list of criteria -- which the Orlando shooter did NOT meet, btw -- for putting someone on the list and keeping them there. If a tourist takes a picture out a plane window and there is nothing suspicious about this person's daily activities or past, they aren't going to end up on anyone's list. It's just a report by an air marshall of their observations on planes. The quota is ridiculous and should be struck down, but it doesn't put anyone on the Terror Watch List or the No Fly List unless a whole lot more is evident.
This is NOTHING but another attempt to stop any gun control. There was no one complaining about this list until it suddenly got tied to buying a firearm. Now. some of the FBI guys actually doing the terrorist surveillance don't like the list tied to buying a gun either, since it would or could tip the individual off that he is on the list if he is denied a gun. I don't know how we would get around that and still prohibit weapons to suspected terrorists.
I know because I have personally seen it and the bureaucrats would rather ignore it than fix it which makes the fuck up an official fact. They are very loathe to undo what they have done if it is a mistake, generally.
Yeah, I worked for the state for 10 + years. Bureaucracies drive me mad and getting a mistake fixed can be a head-banging operation. But the former director of the FBI's Terrorism thingee that maintains the lists was talking about all this last weekend, and he knows what he's about, I think. The people panicking over these lists should get an idea what it's really about before they go semi-hysterical over it.
Nope it's a false comparison .so you can't refute those facts.False comparison!
You conveniently left out that knives and box cutters are close quarter weapons , rifles aren't.
Failed attempt at skewing the stats.
Smoke spin troll lie fail...again and again....
I refuted them moron....
Knives kill more people each and every year than rifles do...no matter that rifles can kill over a distance...the actual numbers show knives kill over 6 times as many poeple each year as rifles do........you are wrong....
How many mass killings are done with knives blunt objects?
You are deliberately choosing the wrong parameters.
Knives etc kill more people in one on one confrontations. Hand guns and rifles and explosives kill in more people more quickly and in greater numbers in less time.
Moron........rifles do not kill as many people each year as knives, clubs and bare hands do.......what is that so hard for you to fucking understand?
Knives actually cause the death of over 6 times more people than rifles do......and it doesn't matte the potential...the actual deaths actually matter.....twti.
