Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

[Flopper]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

 

[Desperado]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

So China Attacked the US and we could not respond quick enough because of over regulation by Federal agencies that are supposed to be there for our protection. That sounds about right to me

 

[Flopper]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

So China Attacked the US and we could not respond quick enough because of over regulation by Federal agencies that are supposed to be there for our protection. That sounds about right to me

That sounds like you have a pretty warped view of reality. Please explain how China attacked the US and not other countries. The virus hit almost every country on earth and the US had the worst response of any major nation, the most cases per captia and the most death per captia. Sounds like the problem is in the US, not China. Those agencies answer to the president and it his job to see that they work together to delivery an adequate response which did not happen. What you seem to be saying is president either has no responsibility to manage the executive branch or incapable of doing so.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

So China Attacked the US and we could not respond quick enough because of over regulation by Federal agencies that are supposed to be there for our protection. That sounds about right to me

That sounds like you have a pretty warped view of reality. Please explain how China attacked the US and not other countries. The virus hit almost every country on earth and the US had the worst response of any major nation, the most cases per captia and the most death per captia. Sounds like the problem is in the US, not China. Those agencies answer to the president and it his job to see that they work together to delivery an adequate response which did not happen. What you seem to be saying is president either has no responsibility to manage the executive branch or incapable of doing so.

The US put travel bans in place preventing travel from several countries who obviously had poorer responses.
Your per capita claims are false.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

 

[Rigby5]

Because the country was still run by the same people who defeated the Nazis and rose from the Great Depression. These were strong, independent thinking men. Not the candy assed, female led, halfa fag, Socialists of today.
If you got a cold you took an aspirin, blew your GD nose, and went to work.

...and came home to a dinner of red meat and potatoes after smoking two packs of Camel non-filters, drinking a pack of Schlitz, dying of a heart attack at 49 while your hippy children were OD-ing on drugs and your wife had just gotten her hair frosted at the beauty parlor with Suspicious Minds playing on the radio and Huntley and Brinkley on the TV...

The greatest killer right not is smoking, causing half a million deaths a years.
Obesity is #2, killing about 400,000 a year.
So the current generations are not really any different as far as smoking and eating poorly.
Hippie children did drugs but not anything you even could OD on, unlike now with opioids and meth.
And I kind of miss Huntley and Brinkley.
None of the current news programs are believable.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Because the country was still run by the same people who defeated the Nazis and rose from the Great Depression. These were strong, independent thinking men. Not the candy assed, female led, halfa fag, Socialists of today.
If you got a cold you took an aspirin, blew your GD nose, and went to work.

...and came home to a dinner of red meat and potatoes after smoking two packs of Camel non-filters, drinking a pack of Schlitz, dying of a heart attack at 49 while your hippy children were OD-ing on drugs and your wife had just gotten her hair frosted at the beauty parlor with Suspicious Minds playing on the radio and Huntley and Brinkley on the TV...

The greatest killer right not is smoking, causing half a million deaths a years.
Obesity is #2, killing about 400,000 a year.
So the current generations are not really any different as far as smoking and eating poorly.
Hippie children did drugs but not anything you even could OD on, unlike now with opioids and meth.
And I kind of miss Huntley and Brinkley.
None of the current news programs are believable.

Never saw that news program...as for the media today...I can only say this...the fourth estate is clearly dead.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

Oh please..they are gaming the numbers. Our 'response' was/is/will be politically driven.
I mean FFS we incentivize Covid diagnoses.
This is all a big hoax.

 

[Rigby5]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

So China Attacked the US and we could not respond quick enough because of over regulation by Federal agencies that are supposed to be there for our protection. That sounds about right to me

That sounds like you have a pretty warped view of reality. Please explain how China attacked the US and not other countries. The virus hit almost every country on earth and the US had the worst response of any major nation, the most cases per captia and the most death per captia. Sounds like the problem is in the US, not China. Those agencies answer to the president and it his job to see that they work together to delivery an adequate response which did not happen. What you seem to be saying is president either has no responsibility to manage the executive branch or incapable of doing so.

The US put travel bans in place preventing travel from several countries who obviously had poorer responses.
Your per capita claims are false.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

That is true that Trump did issue travel bans at first, but they were over ruled by the courts, and especially US citizens were allowed back into the US, bringing the virus with them.

 

[Rigby5]

Because the country was still run by the same people who defeated the Nazis and rose from the Great Depression. These were strong, independent thinking men. Not the candy assed, female led, halfa fag, Socialists of today.
If you got a cold you took an aspirin, blew your GD nose, and went to work.

...and came home to a dinner of red meat and potatoes after smoking two packs of Camel non-filters, drinking a pack of Schlitz, dying of a heart attack at 49 while your hippy children were OD-ing on drugs and your wife had just gotten her hair frosted at the beauty parlor with Suspicious Minds playing on the radio and Huntley and Brinkley on the TV...

The greatest killer right not is smoking, causing half a million deaths a years.
Obesity is #2, killing about 400,000 a year.
So the current generations are not really any different as far as smoking and eating poorly.
Hippie children did drugs but not anything you even could OD on, unlike now with opioids and meth.
And I kind of miss Huntley and Brinkley.
None of the current news programs are believable.

Never saw that news program...as for the media today...I can only say this...the fourth estate is clearly dead.

Very different type of reporting where it was just the plain facts.
Here is just an average example, worth watching a bit.

 

[Rigby5]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

Oh please..they are gaming the numbers. Our 'response' was/is/will be politically driven.
I mean FFS we incentivize Covid diagnoses.
This is all a big hoax.

I tend to agree.
When you "flatten the curve", actually you increase the area under the curve, which means more deaths because you drag it out longer.
The last thing you ever want to do in an epidemic is to make it last longer.
Time is of the essence with an epidemic.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

Oh please..they are gaming the numbers. Our 'response' was/is/will be politically driven.
I mean FFS we incentivize Covid diagnoses.
This is all a big hoax.

I tend to agree.
When you "flatten the curve", actually you increase the area under the curve, which means more deaths because you drag it out longer.
The last thing you ever want to do in an epidemic is to make it last longer.
Time is of the essence with an epidemic.

Exactly...pretty simple concept isn't it? It has worked for many many years...now all of a sudden they want to change everything?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

So China Attacked the US and we could not respond quick enough because of over regulation by Federal agencies that are supposed to be there for our protection. That sounds about right to me

That sounds like you have a pretty warped view of reality. Please explain how China attacked the US and not other countries. The virus hit almost every country on earth and the US had the worst response of any major nation, the most cases per captia and the most death per captia. Sounds like the problem is in the US, not China. Those agencies answer to the president and it his job to see that they work together to delivery an adequate response which did not happen. What you seem to be saying is president either has no responsibility to manage the executive branch or incapable of doing so.

The US put travel bans in place preventing travel from several countries who obviously had poorer responses.
Your per capita claims are false.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

That is true that Trump did issue travel bans at first, but they were over ruled by the courts, and especially US citizens were allowed back into the US, bringing the virus with them.

They weren’t overruled. They were upheld. Americans coming back from China were quarantined.

 

[Flopper]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

So China Attacked the US and we could not respond quick enough because of over regulation by Federal agencies that are supposed to be there for our protection. That sounds about right to me

That sounds like you have a pretty warped view of reality. Please explain how China attacked the US and not other countries. The virus hit almost every country on earth and the US had the worst response of any major nation, the most cases per captia and the most death per captia. Sounds like the problem is in the US, not China. Those agencies answer to the president and it his job to see that they work together to delivery an adequate response which did not happen. What you seem to be saying is president either has no responsibility to manage the executive branch or incapable of doing so.

The US put travel bans in place preventing travel from several countries who obviously had poorer responses.
Your per capita claims are false.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

You're correct
On deaths/million. The US ranks 12 out 212 countries.
On total number of cases/million of larger countries (over 5 million) the US ranks number 2
The data I was looking at was probably not current
My statement should have read one of the worst responses....

 

[Flopper]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

Oh please..they are gaming the numbers. Our 'response' was/is/will be politically driven.
I mean FFS we incentivize Covid diagnoses.
This is all a big hoax.

Tell that to 96,000 in the US that have died from this hoax

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Tell that to 96,000 in the US that have died from this hoax

The hoax is the way the Covid virus was portrayed as a big unstoppable menace we might likely never get out from under ("the new normal"). The 95,000 deaths, as of May 17, were not hoaxes.
You shouldn't conflate the two.

 

[Crepitus]

Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Because we didn't know any better.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

How compliant, how well people have obeyed the rules, and how much they want to return to their old life, is irrelevant to the future spread of virus. When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town. The only thing standing between you and the virus is distance and physical barriers such as masks. Remove those things and it will be March all over again but a lot worse because there's so much more virus around today.

How much do you know about the dynamics of a pandemic? Because based on what you said (When the virus really started to spread in the beginning of March there was only 75 cases and 1 death in whole country. It hardly existed in most places. Today it's everywhere, in every city and every town) that could apply to everywhere in the world.

That's sort of how a pandemic acts. We wouldn't have a pandemic if we could have frozen this virus in place when it first appeared. But since the Chinese, colluding with the help of the WHO, lied about the nature and
full scope of this disease that was never a realistic option (not that we could have stopped it in it's tracks if
we tried anyway). Again, that's how a virus works.

Show me a large developed nation like the US that was fully prepared for such a disaster and their numbers.
Even in the best of cases many people, due to a variety of circumstances, were doomed to death.

That's how these viruses work. And it happens every single year, some years worse than others.

India has a population of 4 times that of US and only 7% of the cases
Pakistan has a population of 80% the US and only 3% of the cases.
South Korea has population of 20% of US and only .8% of the cases
I haven't found any country which has performed as poorly as the US. The closest was Italy with 18% of the population and 16% of the cases.

I believe the main reason for the America's poor response to the virus was the lack of testing. Unlike other countries, the CDC did not start designing their test kit when China released the genome for the virus in early January. For Some reason they waited for confirmation from China of transmission by human to human contact even thou Chinese doctors had confirmed it weeks before. So only a few test kits were completed by the middle February. Meanwhile, the WHO had shipped hundreds of thousands of test kits to over 60 countries. When the CDC kits were sent out in late February, they were found to be defective and had to be redesigned. Since no one ordered reagents in January when other countries were, there was a shortage and very few kits could be produce in March so the agency had a vendor manufactured kits. And kits started to go out.

However that was only the beginnings of the problems. First, no one but the CDC could process kits because of CDC regulations. After regulations were changed the states could process kits but they lacked PPE equipment to protect employees and didn’t have the capacity. So the states tried to use private labs only to find the FDA had rules that prevented that. After some discussions with the CDC and HHS, the rules were changed. So now, all was well and finally kits could be processed except for one little problem. We ran out of test kits and apparently no one had ordered more kits. However the FDA, had now approved a number of suppliers so states and hospitals could now order tests kits. Now it was end of March. There were 220,000 cases and there had been very little tracking done in March due to lack of testing.

Had we started testing and tracking all contacts during March, we could have had similar results to South Korea who did. At the end of March South Korea had 74 new cases down from 850 on March 1. In the US we had 26,000 new cases up from zero on March 1.

We had missed the golden opportunity in March to stop the virus or at least severely cripple it. We blew it due to a lack of overall management, miscommunications between federal agencies, and the states and the federal government. A Chinese fire drill probably best describes what occurred. Someday, a paper or book will be written about this, titled, "How not to manage and epidemic".

Oh please..they are gaming the numbers. Our 'response' was/is/will be politically driven.
I mean FFS we incentivize Covid diagnoses.
This is all a big hoax.

Tell that to 96,000 in the US that have died from this hoax

How many under 60 with no comorbidity?
Find me those numbers, propaganda pimp.

 

[Flopper]

Tell that to 96,000 in the US that have died from this hoax

The hoax is the way the Covid virus was portrayed as a big unstoppable menace we might likely never get out from under ("the new normal"). The 95,000 deaths, as of May 17, were not hoaxes.
You shouldn't conflate the two.

I don't know who said it was unstopped but the Trump administration and every state governor I've heard has said just the opposite. Follow the rules and we can beat it.

 

[Desperado]

Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Because we didn't know any better.

We had better sense back then and were not the candy asses most Americans are today.

 

[Crepitus]

Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Because we didn't know any better.

We had better sense back then and were not the candy asses most Americans are today.

Lol, no.

We have more educated folks today.