Why are RW'ers so upset about paying for birth control....but not Viagra?

[bucs90]

Oh wait, guys, I'm wrong again. This actually makes sense:

IF a corporation wants to bitch about having to pay its' employees a better wage, or provide healthcare, or treat them like shit........that's their right. And they shouldn't be forced to pay for any of that stuff.

But, how can they properly fuck their employees with a limp dick?

The GOP must enable the corporations to screw their employees somehow.....hence the penis pump payments.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So Hobby Lobby, and you and I and the NRA and everyone else in America........is being forced to pay for penis pumps via Medicaid/Medicare.

And we've been doing it for a long, long time. So why don't we hear much from the GOP about companies, and people, being forced to pay for penis pumps???

I swear to god I am going to come through the internet and choke you.

Penis pumps do NOT CAUSE ABORTIONS. How fucking stupid are you to keep playing this line?

Go ahead and jump. 2-stripe purple belt, Relson Gracie jiu-jitsu. That fight would last all of 10 seconds.

As for the second one......birth control also prevents abortions. So, whats your point?

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.

Now run along and ask a family member with a functioning mind to interpret this to you with some puppets or visual aids.

Maybe you can use your Lego's to understand the difference between building blocks of life and how preventing one block to connect to the other results in nothing being built. Yet once those blocks begin being put together it results in something. If you have a family member intelligent enough they can show you how those Lego blocks are very similar to human cells at conception. If they are struggling with this concept send me a PM and I will try to help you all through the process. This could be very good for you.

 

[bucs90]

It's a damned shame you have gone from a reasonably honorable person to a lying left wing propaganda pimp. Your momma must be so proud.

I'm still reasonable and honorable. The Republican Party and right wing movement changed. Not me.

All of you who are still associated with it are either full of shit or too ignorant to know any better. Sorry, truth hurts.

No your not.....your a leftwing nut just like the dean's and the tdm's on this board. You are not a moderate you're now far left which makes me think you were never a conservative.
I've voted democrat, and republican, but my values never changed....you can't say that, your values changed to a bleeding heart liberal.

Ok, whatever you say. I didn't change. My values didn't change.

My opinions changed. And they changed because my VALUES no longer agreed with what my opinion of society was based on the facts and events I saw in society.

Values don't change. Opinions do.

That's a concept few extremists will ever grasp.

 

[JimH52]

Viagra abusers likely to rape, says report | The Star

No RWer sees a problem here...?

 

[paperview]

Most could care less about it, Hobby Lobby and that other company took issue with it.
Both are privately owned if I'm not mistaken.

Do you understand how implications of how SCOTUS rulings work?

I do, but I also understand that we can't group all corporations together. Besides, Hobby Lobby does pay for birth control, just not certain ones.

There are a huge amount of family-owned and closely held corporations out there.

Religious exemptions could be made for a huuuuge array of things some people have not even considered.

That's what happens when you open the door to Corporations are Religious People, my friend.

This isn;t just about EBC.

 

[paperview]

I swear to god I am going to come through the internet and choke you.

Penis pumps do NOT CAUSE ABORTIONS. How fucking stupid are you to keep playing this line?

Go ahead and jump. 2-stripe purple belt, Relson Gracie jiu-jitsu. That fight would last all of 10 seconds.

As for the second one......birth control also prevents abortions. So, whats your point?

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.
....

You are 100% wrong on that. None of those methods end a viable pregnancy.

 

[bucs90]

I swear to god I am going to come through the internet and choke you.

Penis pumps do NOT CAUSE ABORTIONS. How fucking stupid are you to keep playing this line?

Go ahead and jump. 2-stripe purple belt, Relson Gracie jiu-jitsu. That fight would last all of 10 seconds.

As for the second one......birth control also prevents abortions. So, whats your point?

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.

Now run along and ask a family member with a functioning mind to interpret this to you with some puppets or visual aids.

Maybe you can use your Lego's to understand the difference between building blocks of life and how preventing one block to connect to the other results in nothing being built. Yet once those blocks begin being put together it results in something. If you have a family member intelligent enough they can show you how those Lego blocks are very similar to human cells at conception. If they are struggling with this concept send me a PM and I will try to help you all through the process. This could be very good for you.

Well, thankfully I don't do "mixed martial arts".

Then you started blabbering about Legos and family and I kinda stopped paying attention.

So, if Hobby Lobby is so concerned about religion, why don't they close on Sundays, or remove all stores from states that allow abortion? Or gay marriage? Or divorce?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Go ahead and jump. 2-stripe purple belt, Relson Gracie jiu-jitsu. That fight would last all of 10 seconds.

As for the second one......birth control also prevents abortions. So, whats your point?

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.
....

You are 100% wrong on that. None of those methods end a viable pregnancy.

Yes they do. They end a pregnancy after conception instead of preventing conception in the first place.

 

[whitehall]

Is Viagra covered in the ironically named "ACA"? Nancy Pelosi told Americans that they would have to wait until the act was passed to find out what is in it. It's funny that the radical is oh so careful about catering to the Islamic jihad craziness but Christians seem to be the new enemy of the democrat party.

I don't know. I was partly wrong........

Hobby Lobby, and ALL of the rest of us, have been funding penis pumps for a long, long time through Medicaid.

Yet many of us didn't know it......because for some reason, the GOP hasn't been bitching and whining about all of us having to pay for old white dudes having a way to get their dicks hard.

You almost gotta laugh that the freaking hypocritical radical left manages not only to fool themselves but to blame old white republicans for the mess that the ironically named ACA is in.

 

[paperview]

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.
....

You are 100% wrong on that. None of those methods end a viable pregnancy.

Yes they do. They end a pregnancy after conception instead of preventing conception in the first place.

To repeat: You are 100% wrong.

There is no pregnancy until implantation.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Go ahead and jump. 2-stripe purple belt, Relson Gracie jiu-jitsu. That fight would last all of 10 seconds.

As for the second one......birth control also prevents abortions. So, whats your point?

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.

Now run along and ask a family member with a functioning mind to interpret this to you with some puppets or visual aids.

Maybe you can use your Lego's to understand the difference between building blocks of life and how preventing one block to connect to the other results in nothing being built. Yet once those blocks begin being put together it results in something. If you have a family member intelligent enough they can show you how those Lego blocks are very similar to human cells at conception. If they are struggling with this concept send me a PM and I will try to help you all through the process. This could be very good for you.

Well, thankfully I don't do "mixed martial arts".

Then you started blabbering about Legos and family and I kinda stopped paying attention.

So, if Hobby Lobby is so concerned about religion, why don't they close on Sundays, or remove all stores from states that allow abortion? Or gay marriage? Or divorce?

I'm not at all surprised you couldn't follow the analogy. It was expected.

Hobby Lobby is closed on Sundays. All states allow abortion it's federal law. All states allow divorce. Gay marriage is new to the scene but not what they are objecting to.

You really aren't a very smart person are you?

 

[bucs90]

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.
....

You are 100% wrong on that. None of those methods end a viable pregnancy.

Yes they do. They end a pregnancy after conception instead of preventing conception in the first place.

So "preventing life" 5 minutes before it can conceive is somehow morally superior?

Killing a Hen or eating her eggs.....still prevents future chickens.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Viagra abusers likely to rape, says report | The Star

No RWer sees a problem here...?

Do you have something to confess?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Just a thought....but why are RW'ers and corporations so outraged about having to possibly pay for women's birth control, but yet, they aren't angry at all about those same health plans paying for Viagra?

Seriously. All the men out there who get their boner pills paid for through health insurance......and it doesn't get mentioned by the GOP or corporations.

But women dare ask for birth control, and all of a sudden Hobby Lobby and the entire GOP goes ape shit over it.

Why?

Perhaps you should learn about the HL case before commenting on it and showing ignorance.

 

[paperview]

Both regular Birth Control and Emergency Birth Control:


1. Prevent ovulation

2. Prevent fertilization

3. Prevent implantation

The only difference is the dosage of the hormone and frequency of use.

Neither one are abortifacients.

 

[bucs90]

I'm thinking you must not be very good at mixed martial arts because it's pretty obvious you have taken many shots to the head and been choked out so often your brain may never recover. As a matter of fact I have posted several times why you are wrong but your oxygen starved mind can't quite handle the concept.

Birth control such as the 16 that Hobby Lobby is fine with providing do not end a pregnancy once it has began. The other four that the government is demanding they provide does end a viable pregnancy after conception. And therefore that is the difference.

Now run along and ask a family member with a functioning mind to interpret this to you with some puppets or visual aids.

Maybe you can use your Lego's to understand the difference between building blocks of life and how preventing one block to connect to the other results in nothing being built. Yet once those blocks begin being put together it results in something. If you have a family member intelligent enough they can show you how those Lego blocks are very similar to human cells at conception. If they are struggling with this concept send me a PM and I will try to help you all through the process. This could be very good for you.

Well, thankfully I don't do "mixed martial arts".

Then you started blabbering about Legos and family and I kinda stopped paying attention.

So, if Hobby Lobby is so concerned about religion, why don't they close on Sundays, or remove all stores from states that allow abortion? Or gay marriage? Or divorce?

I'm not at all surprised you couldn't follow the analogy. It was expected.

Hobby Lobby is closed on Sundays. All states allow abortion it's federal law. All states allow divorce. Gay marriage is new to the scene but not what they are objecting to.

You really aren't a very smart person are you?

Well, I don't shop there, so being closed on Sunday is news to me.
States offer varying types of abortion. Is there a Hobby Lobby in Illinois?

So if a gay couple comes into hobby lobby to buy decorations for their gay wedding, is Hobby Lobby supporting gay marriage? Or worse, PROFITTING from gay marriage?

(Smart enough to know you couldn't jump through the computer and choke me, as you so stupidly suggested you would do haha)

 

[blackhawk]

Ok lets cut through the misinformation bullshit being spread here Hobby Lobby offers 16 forms of birth control mentioned in the federal health care law in its health insurance plans what it wants a exemption for are the morning-after pill and similar emergency birth control methods. Now do us all a favor and stop with this Hobby Lobby does not want to provide coverage for birth control they already do and that has not changed.

Hobby Lobby up until 2012 covered Plan B and Ella for years.

Up until 2012 anyway.

Did a google search can't find anything that says they covered plan B and Ella that doesn't mean they didn't though I'm sure that will be brought out in the court proceedings.

 

[OKTexas]

In summary:

GOP: Pissed off that their corporate friends may have to pay for birth control
GOP: NOT pissed off that their corporate friends have been paying for penis pumps for decades.

It's a damned shame you have gone from a reasonably honorable person to a lying left wing propaganda pimp. Your momma must be so proud.

I'm still reasonable and honorable. The Republican Party and right wing movement changed. Not me.

All of you who are still associated with it are either full of shit or too ignorant to know any better. Sorry, truth hurts.

Really, I don't seem to remember you as such a willing low life liar so eager to ignore the facts. I guess people do change, must really suck for the people who depend on you.

 

[paperview]

Ok lets cut through the misinformation bullshit being spread here Hobby Lobby offers 16 forms of birth control mentioned in the federal health care law in its health insurance plans what it wants a exemption for are the morning-after pill and similar emergency birth control methods. Now do us all a favor and stop with this Hobby Lobby does not want to provide coverage for birth control they already do and that has not changed.

Hobby Lobby up until 2012 covered Plan B and Ella for years.

Up until 2012 anyway.

Did a google search can't find anything that says they covered plan B and Ella that doesn't mean they didn't though I'm sure that will be brought out in the court proceedings.

It was admitted in their initial complaint

http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Hobby-Lobby-Complaint-stamped.pdf

Page 15.

They say (though they had been covering it for years) they didn't mean to allow it in.

The "Court proceedings" are over, in case you haven't heard.

Now it up to the Justices to decide.

Such devotion to the pro-life cause, it just escaped their notice.

I guess.

 

[bucs90]

It's a damned shame you have gone from a reasonably honorable person to a lying left wing propaganda pimp. Your momma must be so proud.

I'm still reasonable and honorable. The Republican Party and right wing movement changed. Not me.

All of you who are still associated with it are either full of shit or too ignorant to know any better. Sorry, truth hurts.

Really, I don't seem to remember you as such a willing low life liar so eager to ignore the facts. I guess people do change, must really suck for the people who depend on you.

Republican voters are like some battered wives. They know they should leave, they just cant seem to find the courage to do it. And I don't mean that as a joke. Its literally the same dynamic. Being in a relationship that is long-term bad, does more harm than good for you, and makes you question your own judgement at times.........but sentiment and pride wont let you leave.

You will one day. They just haven't started attacking whats important to you yet.