Why California is broke

[JenT]

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens..
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages..
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )

(All 10 of the above statistics are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

WOW did you put that list together or did the LA Times actually admit it?

Knowing the LA TIMES I would guess you had to glean it buried from many different stories? Can't believe that liberal rag would own up to anything like that

 

[GHook93]

1. Its not an illegal immigration problem. Do you want to stop it? Then start focusing on the real problem, the illegal employers. If no one was hiring them, they would all go home tomorrow.

Silly Bobo, look at any post on put on solving illegal immigration and you will see me attacking employers. True they are the main culprit. If no one hire illegals, rent homes, lent them money or provided them access to our schools, welfare systems or hospitals, then they wouldn't come.

2. These illegal employers love the free healthcare given to illegals because then they don't have to provide those benefits.

Exactly so stop giving them free healthcare

3. What business' were pushed out because they were overtaxed? Those companies were doing fine before NAFTA. And no matter how many tax breaks we give, it'll still be cheaper in 3rd world countries, so you are going to argue that until corporations pay zero taxes and we pay them all. You may not realize it, but that's not right.

Small item manufacturing jobs are going to move overseas regardless of what you do. Most of the items in Walmart, Target and Toys-r-us are from China, which has nothing to do with NAFTA. Don't get me wrong I definitely think all our free trade agreements need restructuring or retooling.

Large manufactured products, which is America is still very much the main player in the world, the one's sold B to B are still very much made in America!

4. You pay high taxes in the best states and you pay low taxes in shitty states like Arkansas. Do you want to move to Arkansas? Go for it. You also won't have the location you had in California.

How about UT, GA and TX, that is where the corporations are fleeing CA to. These are great place to live and work!

5. Actually, trickle down never worked and neither did Bush's tax breaks. So you telling me liberal economics never worked is the pot calling the kettle black. Unions and the New Deal created the strong middle class we had, and Reagan/Bush/Clinton & Newt/Bush & Tom Delay have all but destroyed the middle class.

Nor has taxing a population to the brink done anything! In fact that has been far more counter productive.

PS. You have the red herring between your legs.

PPS. You only have half the story.

Wow bobo your a comedian! But really there is nothing funny about how far CA, probably the most socialist state, has fallen!

 

[GHook93]

He said the source was the LA Times. Shouldn't be hard to find, I bet Bass could even find it.

I'm used to forums where logic reigns and sources are cited in the OP

In other wiords you're too lazy to google. I got ya!

WRONG! JB is right! If your going to make a claim then its your job to back it up with a cite. Not the other way around!

 

[JBeukema]

1. 40% of all workers in l. A. County ( l. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in los angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in los angeles are illegal aliens..
4. Over 2/3 of all births in los angeles county are to illegal alien mexicans on medi-cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in california detention centers are mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in los angeles county are living in garages..
7. The fbi reports half of all gang members in los angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of hud properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in l. A. Are spanish speaking.

10. In l. A. County 5.1 million people speak english, 3.9 million speak spanish.
(there are 10.2 million people in l. A. County )

(all 10 of the above statistics are from the los angeles times)

less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the united states ' annual population growth (and over 90% of california , florida , and new york ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

source or gtfo

 

[GHook93]

1. 40% of all workers in l. A. County ( l. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in los angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in los angeles are illegal aliens..
4. Over 2/3 of all births in los angeles county are to illegal alien mexicans on medi-cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in california detention centers are mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in los angeles county are living in garages..
7. The fbi reports half of all gang members in los angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of hud properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in l. A. Are spanish speaking.

10. In l. A. County 5.1 million people speak english, 3.9 million speak spanish.
(there are 10.2 million people in l. A. County )

(all 10 of the above statistics are from the los angeles times)

less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the united states ' annual population growth (and over 90% of california , florida , and new york ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

source or gtfo

I agree these are damning states and if he is going to post them then he better back them up with a source!

 

[GHook93]

I'm used to forums where logic reigns and sources are cited in the OP

In other wiords you're too lazy to google. I got ya!

Why don't you stick to debating with other ignorant people from "the lonestar" state. Fucking queers.

Quick Question Sillybobo,

Do you support eVerify? Because this would put the clamps down big time on employers! However, it appears YOUR party doesn't support it because of the illegal immigration voters! YOUR party wants to keep this segment of the population.

NumbersUSA | For Lower Immigration Levels - For Lower Immigration Levels

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You people are fucking STUPID!!!!

He told you the source was the LA Times. Of course he's full of shit but that besides the point. The fact is he told you his source was the LA Times, if you retarded fiucks are too damn lazy to do a little reseach then maybe your mother should come do it for you.

You people whine and cry more than any group I've ever seen!!!

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be downright funny.

 

[JBeukema]

Is LL the same person as phillypedo?

 

[LilOlLady]

I don't read where it says Obama is being blamed for anything. He will have enough to answer to when his term is up as he is taking this country down, down, down. But - CA is where it is due to many years of being a welfare state. If I'm not mistaken, anybody who comes here can go directly to the welfare office for help as soon as they cross the state line. And the same goes for crossing the border. People who don't live in any of the border states have not a clue as to what goes on with these illegals. How does it go? - Walk a mile in my shoes.

Obama cannot possible take this country down any more than the Bush administration has already done, no matter what he does.

 

[LilOlLady]

Illegal immigrants again in the budget spotlight

The economic downturn has activists pushing for a measure that would limit the services Californians provide.
By Anna Gorman and Teresa Watanabe
July 10, 2009
As California lawmakers struggle with a budget gap that has now grown to $26.3 billion, one of the hottest topics for many taxpayers is the cost to the state of illegal immigrants.
The question of whether taxpayers should provide services to illegal residents became a major political issue in California's last deep recession, culminating in the ballot fight over Proposition 187 in 1994. That history could repeat itself in the current downturn, as activists opposed to illegal immigration have launched a campaign for an initiative that would, among other things, cut off welfare payments to the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants. Those children are eligible for welfare benefits because they are U.S. citizens.
State welfare officials estimate that cutting off payments to illegal immigrants for their U.S.-born children could save about $640 million annually if it survives legal challenges.

California has roughly 2.7 million illegal residents, according to an April 2009 report from the authoritative Pew Hispanic Center, accounting for about 7% of the state's population. State officials estimate that they add between $4 billion and $6 billion in costs, primarily for prisons and jails, schools and emergency rooms. Beyond those services, the illegal population adds to the overall cost of other parts of local government, from police and fire protection to highway maintenance and libraries.

On the other side of the ledger, illegal residents pay taxes -- sales taxes on what they buy, gasoline taxes when they fuel their cars, property taxes if they own homes. The total is hotly debated, although most researchers agree that the short-term costs to state and local government are bigger than the revenues.

Many companies that hire illegal workers also withhold Social Security and income taxes from their paychecks, based on workers' invalid Social Security numbers. That money goes mostly to the federal government, not to localities. The Social Security Administration estimates that in 2007, illegal residents nationwide contributed a net of $12 billion to the system.

The largest costs to California's budget from its illegal residents are in three areas:

* Education: The state has no official count of how many students are in the country illegally because school districts do not ask. But the state legislative analyst estimated, based on data from the Pew Hispanic Center, that the state's 6.3 million public school students include about 300,000 illegal residents. At an annual cost of about $7,626 each, the total comes to nearly $2.3 billion.

* Prisons: In fiscal year 2009-10, California expects to spend about $834 million to incarcerate 19,000 illegal immigrants in the state's prisons. In Los Angeles County, illegal immigrants add between $370 million and $550 million annually to criminal justice costs, including prosecution, defense, probation and jails, according to Supervisor Mike Antonovich.

* Healthcare: The expected state tab for healthcare in fiscal 2009-10 is $703 million for as many as 780,000 illegal immigrants. Of that, $486 million goes to emergency services. But low-income illegal residents are also eligible for some nonemergency health services, including prenatal and postpartum care, abortions, breast and cervical cancer treatment and certain types of long-term care, such as stays in nursing homes. Most of the nonemergency care for illegal immigrants was authorized by the Legislature in the 1980s.

Much of those costs are beyond the control of state officials. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that the Constitution forbids school districts to turn away children who are illegal immigrants. And federal law requires emergency rooms to treat everyone, regardless of citizenship.

How serious a problem those costs are is a subject of constant debate. "It is a catastrophic hit . . . on every level of government," Antonovich said.

State Sen. Denise Moreno Ducheny (D-San Diego) who heads the Senate budget committee, counters that illegal immigrants are net contributors through their taxes and labor in farming and other industries. Cutting services to illegal residents is "penny wise and pound foolish," Ducheny said.

The Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy, based in Palo Alto, has analyzed research on the costs of illegal immigration. Most studies show that at least in the short term, illegal immigrants, who tend to be poorer and have more children than average, use more in public services than they contribute in taxes, the center found.

But the center's director, Stephen Levy, said some of the long-term effects were positive. Educating illegal immigrant children, for instance, helps them eventually land better jobs and higher salaries, benefiting Californians with increased tax payments and more sophisticated work skills.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has said it is wrong to blame illegal immigrants for the state's fiscal problems. He has, however, proposed to limit welfare and nonemergency healthcare for illegal immigrants and their families. So far, the Legislature has rejected his plans.

One of the governor's proposals would place a five-year limit on state welfare payments to the U.S.-citizen children of illegal immigrants. That would affect approximately 100,000 U.S.-born children in about 48,000 California households headed by illegal immigrants, who receive a monthly average of $472. The measure could save $77 million annually, according to the governor's office.

Under another proposal, the governor could commute the sentences of some illegal immigrant felons in state prisons and shift them to federal detention centers. It costs the state $48,000 to incarcerate a prisoner, and the federal government reimburses about 12 cents on the dollar, according to state finance officials. The administration estimates that commuting sentences of 8,500 felons, along with other sentencing changes, could save $182 million, although other state analysts question that.

State cuts in health services could shift costs to counties, some of which have begun denying treatment to illegal immigrants to close their own budget gaps. "It really is a punt," said Farra Bracht of the Legislative Analyst's Office. "We just keep shoving more and more to the counties. . . . They are the providers of truly last resort."

Many state officials have called on the federal government to increase the payments it makes to the state for costs associated with illegal immigrants, because controlling the borders is a federal responsibility. So far, however, Washington lawmakers, faced with large deficits of their own, have not been willing.

And others say the nation's humanitarian traditions and long-term interests compel extending a helping hand to people such as Delia Godinez.

Godinez, a 43-year-old undocumented Mexican immigrant, left an abusive family and lives in transitional housing. Four of her five children are citizens and receive a total of about $650 each month from the state's CalWorks program. She also receives about $500 in federal food stamps and other vouchers.Without the aid, the unemployed Godinez said, she wouldn't be able to provide for her family. She is studying English and hopes one day to open a business and get off welfare."I don't want to be my whole life with that help," she said.

Many advocates say the ultimate solution is to reduce illegal immigration, not to cut off critical services that could jeopardize public health and safety.

"When people come into the U.S., even illegally, they cross more than a physical barrier; they cross a moral barrier," said Steven Camarota of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates immigration restrictions. "We don't like it if someone can't go to the emergency room. That's just our way."

 

[GHook93]

Is it just a coincidence that the market started tanking the same week Obama secured the nomination? And the same week George Soros withdrew billions from the US economy?

Yes. Well, no. Because the rich people that own this country are going to send the economy into the tanks right before the 2010 election so their lap dogs can regain some seats.

And notice we can't even get anything passed even with 60 seats because the corporations have already purchased 10 of our blue dogs.

So don't worry, we won't get anything signifigant passed and your boys will be back in charge very soon.

What do you expect to happen then? The bank bailout happened because of the GOP and on Bush's watch.

The GOP doubled the debt.

They lied us into Iraq and wanted to start a war with Iran.

They got hit on 9-11.

Their tax breaks only helped corporations, and those corporations still went overseas. Unless the government stops them, they won't stay unless you will work for chinese/mexican/india wages. Are you open to that, stupid?

Is there a peticular reason you blatantly lie?

Sillybobo is a 9/11 truther, my guess is he has a problem with reality and rational thinking!

 

[GHook93]

You people are fucking STUPID!!!!

He told you the source was the LA Times. Of course he's full of shit but that besides the point. The fact is he told you his source was the LA Times, if you retarded fiucks are too damn lazy to do a little reseach then maybe your mother should come do it for you.

You people whine and cry more than any group I've ever seen!!!

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be downright funny.

Saying its LA times is different that attaching the link!

 

[JBeukema]

should go in flame zone or conspiracy theories until sources are provided

 

[GHook93]

should go in flame zone or conspiracy theories until sources are provided

Are you honestly saying that illegal immigration and CA sancturary philosophy has not been a contributing factor to its down fall?

CA has been hit most by illegal immigration and they are one of the biggest collasping states in the Union!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You people are fucking STUPID!!!!

He told you the source was the LA Times. Of course he's full of shit but that besides the point. The fact is he told you his source was the LA Times, if you retarded fiucks are too damn lazy to do a little reseach then maybe your mother should come do it for you.

You people whine and cry more than any group I've ever seen!!!

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be downright funny.

Saying its LA times is different that attaching the link!

God forbid you have to google it for yourself.


Like I said this group is full of lazy fucks.

 

[JBeukema]

should go in flame zone or conspiracy theories until sources are provided

Are you honestly saying that illegal immigration and CA sancturary philosophy has not been a contributing factor to its down fall?

CA has been hit most by illegal immigration and they are one of the biggest collasping states in the Union!

What I'm saying is that the OP is not to be taken at face value until sources are cited

 

[Lonestar_logic]

should go in flame zone or conspiracy theories until sources are provided

Are you honestly saying that illegal immigration and CA sancturary philosophy has not been a contributing factor to its down fall?

CA has been hit most by illegal immigration and they are one of the biggest collasping states in the Union!

What I'm saying is that the OP is not to be taken at face value until sources are cited

Fact is illegal aliens are putting a strain on US taxpayers. You don' tneed a link for that . Do you?? Why the fuck do youthink Ca. is broke?

The largest costs to California’s budget from its illegal residents are in three areas:

* Education: The state has no official count of how many students are in the country illegally because school districts do not ask. But the state legislative analyst estimated, based on data from the Pew Hispanic Center, that the state’s 6.3 million public school students include about 300,000 illegal residents. At an annual cost of about $7,626 each, the total comes to nearly $2.3 billion.

* Prisons: In fiscal year 2009-10, California expects to spend about $834 million to incarcerate 19,000 illegal immigrants in the state’s prisons. In Los Angeles County, illegal immigrants add between $370 million and $550 million annually to criminal justice costs, including prosecution, defense, probation and jails, according to Supervisor Mike Antonovich.

* Healthcare: The expected state tab for healthcare in fiscal 2009-10 is $703 million for as many as 780,000 illegal immigrants. Of that, $486 million goes to emergency services. But low-income illegal residents are also eligible for some nonemergency health services, including prenatal and postpartum care, abortions, breast and cervical cancer treatment and certain types of long-term care, such as stays in nursing homes. Most of the nonemergency care for illegal immigrants was authorized by the Legislature in the 1980s.


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[SW2SILVER]

Why is it illegal aliens are treated like VICTIMS? really, when all they have to do, is immigrate legally? Any answers to such a simple question as that?

 

[LaLinda75]

'Why is it illegal aliens are treated like VICTIMS?'

Very simple - they love playing the victims, and being treated as such, because of the FREE help and care they get from pro-illegal advocates via its organizations. And let's not forget the 'ambulance chasers' who live by suing our system to line their pockets.

 

[LaLinda75]

'Obama cannot possible take this country down any more than the Bush administration has already done, no matter what he does.'

Blaming Bush, Lilollady, does not work anymore. Maybe you are not aware of this, but he is no longer the President. At the end of his term, Obama will be the one to have to answer - NOT Bush. Welcome to the next four hellish years.