Why can't liberals comprehend this is the United States of America??

[kaz]

Conservatives apparently think that political power should be based on geographical area rather than on individual people. They think that low population states should have equivalent political power as high population states, thereby individuals living in low population states are greater politically than people in high population states.

This undermines the concept that "All men are created equal".

How about a state that has 20 millions people has 20 million times more political power than a state that has 1 person? Or do you think that a state which had 1 person should have equal political power as a state that has 20 million people?

It appears to us that 20 million is indocterated and brain dead Like you


It's funny you want pure mob full and still can't comprehend my OP

I wonder if you can comprehend this simple statement


United we stand
Divided we fall




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You voted for Trump and your calling me brain dead? What a joke!

United we stand for equality and democracy!

Divided is when a minority gets to force their will on the majority!

But, I doubt you can comprehend that.

I agree with you both. You're right, but you voted for Hillary so you're brain dead too

 

[NYcarbineer]

We are a nation of 50 states bigger than Europe


Is Spain the same as Italy ?

Is Great Britain the same as Germany?


Hence the name United States of America

Not the United State of California



What's next does the liberals want to get rid of the Senate that's supposed to protect each state evenly?



The United States of America (USA), commonly referred to as the United States (U.S.) or America, is a federal republic composed of 50 states, afederal district, five major self-governing territories, and various possessions.[fn 1]Forty-eight of the fifty states and the federal district are contiguous and located in North America betweenCanada and Mexico.

The charm of states rights ended in 1861, or thereabouts.

Tell that to the Sanctuary cities and the Californian secessionists.

Gee, I'd have guessed you were on the side of big central government against sanctuary cities.

 

[Richard-H]

Conservatives apparently think that political power should be based on geographical area rather than on individual people. They think that low population states should have equivalent political power as high population states, thereby individuals living in low population states are greater politically than people in high population states.

This undermines the concept that "All men are created equal".

How about a state that has 20 millions people has 20 million times more political power than a state that has 1 person? Or do you think that a state which had 1 person should have equal political power as a state that has 20 million people?

It appears to us that 20 million is indocterated and brain dead Like you


It's funny you want pure mob full and still can't comprehend my OP

I wonder if you can comprehend this simple statement


United we stand
Divided we fall




.

Without California this country would fail. Not just fall. It's the 6th largest economy in the world now. You should send a Christmas card to Sacramento and STFU.

The only things that are good about California are that it has a giant coast and lots of arable land.

Florida could have literally everything California has and contribute much more to the country with that influence than California does.

California is an enormous drain on the country at face value with its tens of millions of retards and millions of illegal aliens sponging billions.

Wow are you ignorant! California has the sixth largest economy in the world. It's larger than the vast majority of the countries in the world.

Florida has tourism and a little agriculture...and the agricultural sector isn't close to California's.

No, moron, California has a huge net economic benefit to the nation. If you took away Disney world, Florida would be worth shit.

Unlike the millions of spoiled brat Floridians that live off the huge wealth transported there by retirees, most California immigrants do something called WORK, which is a concept Floridians are wholly unfamiliar with. Go con granny for a buck...it's all Floridians know how to do!

 

[ptbw forever]

Conservatives apparently think that political power should be based on geographical area rather than on individual people. They think that low population states should have equivalent political power as high population states, thereby individuals living in low population states are greater politically than people in high population states.

This undermines the concept that "All men are created equal".

How about a state that has 20 millions people has 20 million times more political power than a state that has 1 person? Or do you think that a state which had 1 person should have equal political power as a state that has 20 million people?

It appears to us that 20 million is indocterated and brain dead Like you


It's funny you want pure mob full and still can't comprehend my OP

I wonder if you can comprehend this simple statement


United we stand
Divided we fall




.

Without California this country would fail. Not just fall. It's the 6th largest economy in the world now. You should send a Christmas card to Sacramento and STFU.

The only things that are good about California are that it has a giant coast and lots of arable land.

Florida could have literally everything California has and contribute much more to the country with that influence than California does.

California is an enormous drain on the country at face value with its tens of millions of retards and millions of illegal aliens sponging billions.

Wow are you ignorant! California has the sixth largest economy in the world. It's larger than the vast majority of the countries in the world.

Florida has tourism and a little agriculture...and the agricultural sector isn't close to California's.

No, moron, California has a huge net economic benefit to the nation. If you took away Disney world, Florida would be worth shit.

Unlike the millions of spoiled brat Floridians that live off the huge wealth transported there by retirees, most California immigrants do something called WORK, which is a concept Floridians are wholly unfamiliar with. Go con granny for a buck...it's all Floridians know how to do!

California is just a bigger Florida with more historical relevance and better import/export neighbors(via the pacific), nothing more.

Without Hollywood, Tech industries, tourism and batshit crazy neo leftists, California would just be a bigger state with lots more useless people than any other state.

 

[Syriusly]

We are a nation of 50 states bigger than Europe
.

Which liberals think otherwise? Be specific.

I don't know any.

 

[Care4all]

NOPE....NOT AT ALL IS IT LIKE THE PRIMARY VOTE in he Democratic primary, the delegate votes go to the candidates PROPORTIONALLY....

The super delegates are a different story, they are like the Senator given Electors where they do not represent a voting district, but the overall State.

You haven't made any point. States decide how to allocate their EVs. You live in a State, you vote, they are allocated by it's rules. Don't like it, suck it. But to say your vote didn't count because you lost is just eight year old. Especially after the election.

Let's be honest, this has nothing to do with your heartache over the contrived issue that losing a vote means your vote didn't count. You want tyranny of the majority so you can ram more down everyone's throats. That's why you like PV. I oppose tyranny of the majority and believe individuals should have rights you don't want us to have so I like the EV. Unfortunately for you, the founders set it up my way. But cut the stupid shit that voting according to the rules of your State and losing is equivalent to losing your vote

1. under the present rules, Trump won this election and will be President.

2, I AM NOT ARGUING AGAINST HIS WIN....

3. you are an ignorant idiot, or just like to play one on the internet

I am advocating changing the electoral process BACK TO THE WAY our founding fathers INTENDED IT TO WORK.... the people get represented, AND the States get represented, just like the House and the Senate.

The small states get MORE representation, by getting 2 senators/2 electors, while the largest states out there STILL only get 2 senators/2 electors.... as with congress, this gives small states more power than they deserve according to their population....

The way States CHANGED their electoral process over the years took away the power of the electors given to represent the people in the federal election, and gave it ALL to the power of the State....they did this, to secure their 2 party gig... where a third party candidate could near NEVER recieve even a single Elector vote.....so that we can only have a Democratic or Republican President.

OUR FOUNDERS DID NOT WANT THIS COLLUSION in fact this is WHY rgwy created ELECTORS instead of giving it to the House and Senate, where they felt that those in office would collude with each other to simply vote for who was in their Party....instead they chose electors to represent the congressmen, and their congressional districts and 2 electors representing our state senators, and these electors could NOT be people in political party government positions, and each elector vote was to count individually....

NOT A WINNER TAKE ALL.

I'm advocating in keeping the electoral college, but having elector votes go to the candidate that won the elector's congressional voting district and the 2 electors representing the senators going to the stare's majority winner.

the 2 electors representing senators gives the small states the advantage the founders created.

look at a red blue map, there are a sea of red states and just a handfull of blue....the 2 senatorial electors in each of those red states goes to the R regardless of state population....


so let's say R's win 35 states for their candidate, and D's only win 15 states, but the popular vote was near equal for both candidates and the E V vote tied, due to blue states being states with heavily populated cities....

but the R candidate gets those 2 senatorial electors for 35 states won so 70 more electors, and the D candidate only gets 30 EV votes for their 15 state win...the R candidates gets 40 more electorial votes in the final tally giving the win to R's.... THIS IS THE ADVANTAGE OUR FOUNDERS GAVE to smaller states...

NOT THE BASTARDIZED winner takes all EV votes

You're an idiot or you just like playing one on message boards. I keep responding to your ridiculous point that your vote somehow didn't count because you lost when you voted according to the rules of your State. You say all this and never responded to the point we were discussing.

Funny how when we're following the rules set up by the founders we aren't following what they wanted. Can you back that up with more than your own claims of what they wanted?

They clearly in everything I've read left it up to the States how to allocate electors. Show what you're basing it on that they actually wanted to dictate to States how to do it

i;m advocating each State change the rules back to where they represent our founder's intent.

1) OK, assuming that means you're dropping the stupid shit that your vote didn't count when you voted according to the rules of your State then we're good on that point

2) I asked you how you know that was their intent since we are following their rules and everything I've read just says they wanted the States to decide how to allocate their electors

I read it when searching HISTORY of presidential race electors, and Hamilton and Madison among a few others who created the system and why they created it, verses letting actual house and Senate members voting.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Conservatives apparently think that political power should be based on geographical area rather than on individual people. They think that low population states should have equivalent political power as high population states, thereby individuals living in low population states are greater politically than people in high population states.

This undermines the concept that "All men are created equal".

How about a state that has 20 millions people has 20 million times more political power than a state that has 1 person? Or do you think that a state which had 1 person should have equal political power as a state that has 20 million people?

It appears to us that 20 million is indocterated and brain dead Like you


It's funny you want pure mob full and still can't comprehend my OP

I wonder if you can comprehend this simple statement


United we stand
Divided we fall




.

Without California this country would fail. Not just fall. It's the 6th largest economy in the world now. You should send a Christmas card to Sacramento and STFU.

The only things that are good about California are that it has a giant coast and lots of arable land.

Florida could have literally everything California has and contribute much more to the country with that influence than California does.

California is an enormous drain on the country at face value with its tens of millions of retards and millions of illegal aliens sponging billions.

Wow are you ignorant! California has the sixth largest economy in the world. It's larger than the vast majority of the countries in the world.

Florida has tourism and a little agriculture...and the agricultural sector isn't close to California's.

No, moron, California has a huge net economic benefit to the nation. If you took away Disney world, Florida would be worth shit.

Unlike the millions of spoiled brat Floridians that live off the huge wealth transported there by retirees, most California immigrants do something called WORK, which is a concept Floridians are wholly unfamiliar with. Go con granny for a buck...it's all Floridians know how to do!

You're indocterated and not that bright you don't know much california is sitting on a time bomb of unfuded pensions ?

 

[Wyatt earp]

It appears to us that 20 million is indocterated and brain dead Like you


It's funny you want pure mob full and still can't comprehend my OP

I wonder if you can comprehend this simple statement


United we stand
Divided we fall




.

Without California this country would fail. Not just fall. It's the 6th largest economy in the world now. You should send a Christmas card to Sacramento and STFU.

The only things that are good about California are that it has a giant coast and lots of arable land.

Florida could have literally everything California has and contribute much more to the country with that influence than California does.

California is an enormous drain on the country at face value with its tens of millions of retards and millions of illegal aliens sponging billions.

Wow are you ignorant! California has the sixth largest economy in the world. It's larger than the vast majority of the countries in the world.

Florida has tourism and a little agriculture...and the agricultural sector isn't close to California's.

No, moron, California has a huge net economic benefit to the nation. If you took away Disney world, Florida would be worth shit.

Unlike the millions of spoiled brat Floridians that live off the huge wealth transported there by retirees, most California immigrants do something called WORK, which is a concept Floridians are wholly unfamiliar with. Go con granny for a buck...it's all Floridians know how to do!

California is just a bigger Florida with more historical relevance and better import/export neighbors(via the pacific), nothing more.

Without Hollywood, Tech industries, tourism and batshit crazy neo leftists, California would just be a bigger state with lots more useless people than any other state.

And a state were people and companies flee so bad it's been suggested by them they want to put an exit tax.

 

[tycho1572]

Liberals lack the common sense needed to make sound decisions. I'm sometimes stuck dealing with them at work. They are an annoying class of people.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are a nation of 50 states bigger than Europe
.

I don't know any.

Sorry didn't mean to change your quote accident delete




Again look at all these threads on liberals that want mob rules and the end to EC.


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[Wyatt earp]

Conservatives apparently think that political power should be based on geographical area rather than on individual people. They think that low population states should have equivalent political power as high population states, thereby individuals living in low population states are greater politically than people in high population states.

This undermines the concept that "All men are created equal".

How about a state that has 20 millions people has 20 million times more political power than a state that has 1 person? Or do you think that a state which had 1 person should have equal political power as a state that has 20 million people?

It appears to us that 20 million is indocterated and brain dead Like you


It's funny you want pure mob full and still can't comprehend my OP

I wonder if you can comprehend this simple statement


United we stand
Divided we fall




.

You voted for Trump and your calling me brain dead? What a joke!

United we stand for equality and democracy!

Divided is when a minority gets to force their will on the majority!

But, I doubt you can comprehend that.

Nice try moron

United we stand.. The states

Divided we fall... Mob rule.. The Civil war for example..

You fuck over 48 state rights you're so fucked for the right of two.

 

[Wyatt earp]

As with the US congress, the two houses represent us in total, nothing gets passed via voting, without the other. The house of representatives represents we the people and the two senators represent our entire state"s will.....

Our congressmen represent we the people that live in his congressional voting district, which have about 700000 citizens in each, the Senate represents the majority in the whole state.

ELECTORS in each state are allotted in the same manner, 1 elector representing each congressional voting district, plus each state, whether small or largely populated gets 2 electors representing each state"s two senators.....

In the electoral process the two electors representing state senators give the smaller states the same clout as the largest state....THAT is what gives smaller states a slight advantage, just like in Congress.

Where the States CHANGED the electors to winner takes ALL is how the state's messed up the electoral college. It was each elector in each congressional district, represented that district and his electoral vote went to the candidate representing the 700k people....

The two extra electors were suppose to go to who the State majority wanted.

IT'S NOT that way anymore because the States changed it....except my state of Maine and Nebraska have it the way our founders designed it.

We need the electoral college, but it is BROKEN to only serve a two party system now, and Only the State, and we the people LOST our representation.

People are voting for who their State is going to give it's electors to, they haven't lost their representation. There are winners and losers in every election. In this election there's also the whiners who won't let that you lost go

When your state is already locked-down red or blue ---- you've lost your representation. Use your head.

Bull. It's no different than being in the minority in PV. You voted, you lost

NOPE....NOT AT ALL IS IT LIKE THE PRIMARY VOTE in he Democratic primary, the delegate votes go to the candidates PROPORTIONALLY....

The super delegates are a different story, they are like the Senator given Electors where they do not represent a voting district, but the overall State.

You haven't made any point. States decide how to allocate their EVs. You live in a State, you vote, they are allocated by it's rules. Don't like it, suck it. But to say your vote didn't count because you lost is just eight year old. Especially after the election.

Let's be honest, this has nothing to do with your heartache over the contrived issue that losing a vote means your vote didn't count. You want tyranny of the majority so you can ram more down everyone's throats. That's why you like PV. I oppose tyranny of the majority and believe individuals should have rights you don't want us to have so I like the EV. Unfortunately for you, the founders set it up my way. But cut the stupid shit that voting according to the rules of your State and losing is equivalent to losing your vote

He still can't figure out

Germany is not like Italy

Kentucky is not like New York City..

Ya know at one time someone suggested a united States of Europe because it worked so well here..

 

[AntonToo]

Stop the bullshit, conservatives want a conservative President and because conservatives live mostly in rural areas they want more weight on geographical area rather than populace.

None of this means that conservatives or liberals do not understand that America has states. DUH.

Whereas Communists want an authoritarian ruler, so you seek to disenfranchise the voters in the majority of the country so that dense population centers such as the Bay Area and Manhattan alone dictate who will rule the nation.

Thankfully we still have a Constitution, which you have zero grasp of yet are still obliged to observe.

Popular vote election = authoritarian communists and not knowing if states.

Just another day of incredible insights from our very special RW friends.

I don't even oppose EC by the way, but the arguments made for it by you fools are incoherent rubbish.

 

[Fishlore]

Liberals have always believed that this IS the United States of America.
Conservatives have always believed that these ARE the United States of America.
Get it?

 

[Syriusly]

We are a nation of 50 states bigger than Europe
.

I don't know any.

Sorry didn't mean to change your quote accident delete




Again look at all these threads on liberals that want mob rules and the end to EC.


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So identify who doesn't know this is the United States.

Which ones want mob rule.

And are you saying that Donald Trump is a liberal?

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

8:45 PM - 6 Nov 2012

 

[Syriusly]

Stop the bullshit, conservatives want a conservative President and because conservatives live mostly in rural areas they want more weight on geographical area rather than populace.

None of this means that conservatives or liberals do not understand that America has states. DUH.

Whereas Communists want an authoritarian ruler, so you seek to disenfranchise the voters in the majority of the country so that dense population centers such as the Bay Area and Manhattan alone dictate who will rule the nation.

Thankfully we still have a Constitution, which you have zero grasp of yet are still obliged to observe.

Popular vote election = authoritarian communists and not knowing if states.

Just another day of incredible insights from our very special RW friends.

I don't even oppose EC by the way, but the arguments made for it by you fools are incoherent rubbish.

Popular vote = authoritarian communists?

So you think that our election process for the House, and Senate and for all 50 governors is an authoritarian communist system?

 

[Care4all]

People are voting for who their State is going to give it's electors to, they haven't lost their representation. There are winners and losers in every election. In this election there's also the whiners who won't let that you lost go

When your state is already locked-down red or blue ---- you've lost your representation. Use your head.

Bull. It's no different than being in the minority in PV. You voted, you lost

NOPE....NOT AT ALL IS IT LIKE THE PRIMARY VOTE in he Democratic primary, the delegate votes go to the candidates PROPORTIONALLY....

The super delegates are a different story, they are like the Senator given Electors where they do not represent a voting district, but the overall State.

You haven't made any point. States decide how to allocate their EVs. You live in a State, you vote, they are allocated by it's rules. Don't like it, suck it. But to say your vote didn't count because you lost is just eight year old. Especially after the election.

Let's be honest, this has nothing to do with your heartache over the contrived issue that losing a vote means your vote didn't count. You want tyranny of the majority so you can ram more down everyone's throats. That's why you like PV. I oppose tyranny of the majority and believe individuals should have rights you don't want us to have so I like the EV. Unfortunately for you, the founders set it up my way. But cut the stupid shit that voting according to the rules of your State and losing is equivalent to losing your vote

He still can't figure out

Germany is not like Italy

Kentucky is not like New York City..

Ya know at one time someone suggested a united States of Europe because it worked so well here..

Huh? What you talkin about Willis?

I am not a he, I'm a she....

And I know the difference between Italy and Germany....I LIVED in Italy for two and a half years and I lived in Germany for six months.... So you must be talking about someone else?

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are a nation of 50 states bigger than Europe
.

I don't know any.

Sorry didn't mean to change your quote accident delete




Again look at all these threads on liberals that want mob rules and the end to EC.


.

So identify who doesn't know this is the United States.

Which ones want mob rule.

And are you saying that Donald Trump is a liberal?

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

8:45 PM - 6 Nov 2012

Another one who can't read Trump what he says and what he thinks..

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Just look how's he is pulling back on his campaign promises.. I know Trump I can read him well from papers and on television over the past 30 years.

Plus I think about all the times I had to deal with Presidents of companies and head management.. What they say is not what they do. Because they will become EX CEOs

 

[Wyatt earp]

When your state is already locked-down red or blue ---- you've lost your representation. Use your head.

Bull. It's no different than being in the minority in PV. You voted, you lost

NOPE....NOT AT ALL IS IT LIKE THE PRIMARY VOTE in he Democratic primary, the delegate votes go to the candidates PROPORTIONALLY....

The super delegates are a different story, they are like the Senator given Electors where they do not represent a voting district, but the overall State.

You haven't made any point. States decide how to allocate their EVs. You live in a State, you vote, they are allocated by it's rules. Don't like it, suck it. But to say your vote didn't count because you lost is just eight year old. Especially after the election.

Let's be honest, this has nothing to do with your heartache over the contrived issue that losing a vote means your vote didn't count. You want tyranny of the majority so you can ram more down everyone's throats. That's why you like PV. I oppose tyranny of the majority and believe individuals should have rights you don't want us to have so I like the EV. Unfortunately for you, the founders set it up my way. But cut the stupid shit that voting according to the rules of your State and losing is equivalent to losing your vote

He still can't figure out

Germany is not like Italy

Kentucky is not like New York City..

Ya know at one time someone suggested a united States of Europe because it worked so well here..

Huh? What you talkin about Willis?

I am not a he, I'm a she....

And I know the difference between Italy and Germany....I LIVED in Italy for two and a half years and I lived in Germany for six months.... So you must be talking about someone else?

Sorry dude I was thinking about that guy praising California..

That started to get on my nerves

My apologies

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are a nation of 50 states bigger than Europe


Is Spain the same as Italy ?

Is Great Britain the same as Germany?


Hence the name United States of America

Not the United State of California



What's next does the liberals want to get rid of the Senate that's supposed to protect each state evenly?



The United States of America (USA), commonly referred to as the United States (U.S.) or America, is a federal republic composed of 50 states, afederal district, five major self-governing territories, and various possessions.[fn 1]Forty-eight of the fifty states and the federal district are contiguous and located in North America betweenCanada and Mexico.

The charm of states rights ended in 1861, or thereabouts.

Just seen this post I thought it was 1865? Or was it 1864 off the top of my head.