Why did we stop inventing gods?

[irosie91]

I did three spoons in 1/2 cup hot water----but added some milk-----bitter but UPLIFTING

Yes, the road to caffeination is bitter. When looking back you see only one set of footprints-- it's because that's the point you start flying.

SO TRUE------I saw the LIGHT---at a fairly OLD AGE------almost 30. I noticed that the medication---APC (acetophine, phenacetin and caffeine)------MADE ME FEEL
good. I swallowed lots-----(wonder my kidneys held up) ----
then a colleague introduced me to "NO DOZ"----finally when the pills were not so easily available to me------I managed to
swallow some coffee. I still do not like the stuff----nor do I like vodka-------but I manage to INGEST----for EFFECT.
I never got into marijuana-----because---like Clinton---I CANNOT INHALE -----the stuff was all over the place in
my youth-----amongst school mates and colleagues

 

[Mr Natural]

Because we grew up.

Not really.

Today's gods are simply EPS, gold, platinum, oil, and corporate CEO's.

At least they actually exist

 

[yiostheoy]

Because we grew up.

Not really.

Today's gods are simply EPS, gold, platinum, oil, and corporate CEO's.

At least they actually exist

Existence is a philosophical topic that you are probably not qualified to determine even for yourself.

Just take it for granted.

 

[GreatestIam]

There are groups like the Masons, who have their ' great architect' Various religions such as spiritualism and theosophy. Numerous cults with their own view of God.

Indeed. There are more god flavours than we can shake a stick at.

Look at the planet. A house divided against itself cannot stand and the gods of war are insuring our eventual demise unless we see ourselves and our divisions as our worst enemy and unite against our own desires to just fit into our local tribes.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Because we grew up.

Not when the billions around the world still worship at the altars of the immoral gods of war.

When that trend reverses itself, I will see us as having grown up.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Why did Humanity stop creating Divine beings?

They discovered the wonderful world of Science...

Not really.

Seems to me that we have just turned to statism.



My god, right or wrong has become my country or tribe, right or wrong.

Although more and more sheeple are making way for goats.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Because the ones we have are working just fine.

Really!

Even though both Christianity and Islam grew through war instead of good deeds.

You think that sine do you?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Why did Humanity stop creating Divine beings?

They discovered the wonderful world of Science...

And created new Divine beings........

Not quite but they, like the mainstream religions, now have a god of the gaps.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Your view of historic theology is very fractured.

I am guessing that you are cooking meth on the side.

Not my view as I do not give the ancients as much respect as the schollars in the link I gave.

Did you even look at it?

Which part will you argue against or is denial the only mental tool that you have?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

We didn't. GreatestIam
It's just that our beliefs are projected onto SECULAR politics and POLITICAL BELIEFS.

That's why we have politicians that reinvent new "bogeymen" and new IDOLS to worship
to get people to buy into and vote for them. It's all SYMBOLIC just like religion did with icons.

Global Warming is the new Jesus, that if you don't believe in this, you don't have the real truth.

BLM vs. ALM.

Jihadists/terrorists vs. Muslims.

Do you believe Transgender are real, or a mental disorder?
Do you believe homosexuality can be changed?

We are fighting ideological wars, with iconic puppets, STRAWMEN, and "my prophet/leader
can beat up your Big Daddy" through Politics, Govt, and the mainstream media.

It's still a battle of BELIEFS, just projected onto secular figureheads and issues.
Used to divide people in groups by identity and go to war, but in the media, with money and taxes, and at the polls.

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

No argument.



Regards
DL

 

[onefour1]

1 Nephi 14:10
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

In the true church there is but one God over this earth. In the church of the devil, there are many false churches and Gods. Some have been set up to emulate the true church of God and have mixed evil with good to fool those on the earth. Others worship dumb idols. And yet others worship the non-existence of God and as mentioned earlier science even when science itself has been corrupted with false teachings.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:24-25
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.

 

[sealybobo]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Will all religions disappear or will a new one replace them?

I don't see modern man falling for another new religion. What I can see happening is a new church that is not Jewish Christian or Muslim. It doesn't claim a God visited. It studies all the ancient religions and simply believe that there must be a God and it would only preach love.

 

[GreatestIam]

1 Nephi 14:10
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

In the true church there is but one God over this earth. In the church of the devil, there are many false churches and Gods. Some have been set up to emulate the true church of God and have mixed evil with good to fool those on the earth. Others worship dumb idols. And yet others worship the non-existence of God and as mentioned earlier science even when science itself has been corrupted with false teachings.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:24-25
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.

In the beginning, there was only god, to a believer, so believers must see god as the liar. That is part of why Gnostic Christians call god a vile demiurge.

Scriptures even back up that view.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. - Jeremiah 20:7

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

That pesky God sure works in mysterious ways.

I do agree that the church is evil and corrupt though.

I also think that those who believe in a supernatural god or Satan should seek help.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Will all religions disappear or will a new one replace them?

I don't see modern man falling for another new religion. What I can see happening is a new church that is not Jewish Christian or Muslim. It doesn't claim a God visited. It studies all the ancient religions and simply believe that there must be a God and it would only preach love.

What I see replacing the present religions and appeasing our tribal natures will be atheist churches as we see them now starting already.

I also hope that my all inclusive and universal religion/theology/philosophy, Gnostic Christianity, become the one true religion that it was always destined to be.

It does not have faith that there is a god other than man. In that, it follows the thinking of the more intelligent ancient thinkers.

Please follow this link.

What is God?

We do not preach only love although our preaching of hate is done out of love. We see a time to love and a time to hate. We hate evil and those religions like Christianity and Islam who preach evil, intolerance, homophobia and misogyny.

We live partly by this quote.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

That is why Christianity decimated us the moment they gained political power and also introduced the end of freedom of religion that persisted until secular law brought Christianity to heel. We will have to do the same thing with Islam. Through their reform or death.

We cannot let their immoral Jihad win.

Regards
DL

 

[sealybobo]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Will all religions disappear or will a new one replace them?

I don't see modern man falling for another new religion. What I can see happening is a new church that is not Jewish Christian or Muslim. It doesn't claim a God visited. It studies all the ancient religions and simply believe that there must be a God and it would only preach love.

What I see replacing the present religions and appeasing our tribal natures will be atheist churches as we see them now starting already.

I also hope that my all inclusive and universal religion/theology/philosophy, Gnostic Christianity, become the one true religion that it was always destined to be.

It does not have faith that there is a god other than man. In that, it follows the thinking of the more intelligent ancient thinkers.

Please follow this link.

What is God?

We do not preach only love although our preaching of hate is done out of love. We see a time to love and a time to hate. We hate evil and those religions like Christianity and Islam who preach evil, intolerance, homophobia and misogyny.

We live partly by this quote.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

That is why Christianity decimated us the moment they gained political power and also introduced the end of freedom of religion that persisted until secular law brought Christianity to heel. We will have to do the same thing with Islam. Through their reform or death.

We cannot let their immoral Jihad win.

Regards
DL

Either you are a live and let live theist or gtfu!

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Will all religions disappear or will a new one replace them?

I don't see modern man falling for another new religion. What I can see happening is a new church that is not Jewish Christian or Muslim. It doesn't claim a God visited. It studies all the ancient religions and simply believe that there must be a God and it would only preach love.

What I see replacing the present religions and appeasing our tribal natures will be atheist churches as we see them now starting already.

I also hope that my all inclusive and universal religion/theology/philosophy, Gnostic Christianity, become the one true religion that it was always destined to be.

It does not have faith that there is a god other than man. In that, it follows the thinking of the more intelligent ancient thinkers.

Please follow this link.

What is God?

We do not preach only love although our preaching of hate is done out of love. We see a time to love and a time to hate. We hate evil and those religions like Christianity and Islam who preach evil, intolerance, homophobia and misogyny.

We live partly by this quote.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

That is why Christianity decimated us the moment they gained political power and also introduced the end of freedom of religion that persisted until secular law brought Christianity to heel. We will have to do the same thing with Islam. Through their reform or death.

We cannot let their immoral Jihad win.

Regards
DL

Either you are a live and let live theist or gtfu!

A live and let live theist I am not as I cannot ignore evil.

If you can you are neither moral or good.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is live and let live.

Regards
DL

 

[onefour1]

1 Nephi 14:10
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

In the true church there is but one God over this earth. In the church of the devil, there are many false churches and Gods. Some have been set up to emulate the true church of God and have mixed evil with good to fool those on the earth. Others worship dumb idols. And yet others worship the non-existence of God and as mentioned earlier science even when science itself has been corrupted with false teachings.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:24-25
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.

In the beginning, there was only god, to a believer, so believers must see god as the liar. That is part of why Gnostic Christians call god a vile demiurge.

Scriptures even back up that view.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

God being a God of goodness will not always allow the wicked to proper. He will not bless them in their evil ways but will confound the wicked that they prosper not. The above verses speak of Ahab, who was the most wicked of all the kings of Israel. He was married to Jezebel.

1 Kings 21:25
25 But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work wickedness in the sight of the Lord, whom Jezebel his wife stirred up.

Jezebel
A Phoenician princess, daughter of Ethbaal, king of Zidonians, and wife of Ahab, king of Israel (1 Kgs. 16:31). This marriage, more than any other single event, caused the downfall of the northern kingdom, as Jezebel introduced into Israel the worst forms of Phoenician worship in place of the worship of Jehovah (1 Kgs. 18:4, 13, 19; 19:1–2; see also 21:5–25; 2 Kgs. 9). In Rev. 2:20 the name is applied figuratively to a woman (or sect) causing great harm to the Church in Thyatira. See also Athaliah.

Ahab
(1) Son of Omri, and the most wicked and most powerful of the kings of northern Israel; he married Jezebel, a Sidonian princess, through whose influence the worship of Baal and Asherah was established in Israel (1 Kgs. 16:32–33; 2 Kgs. 3:2); and an attempt was made to exterminate the prophets and the worship of Jehovah (1 Kgs. 18:13). We have another instance of Jezebel’s evil influence over Ahab in the story of Naboth (1 Kgs. 21). During Ahab’s reign the kingdom of Israel was politically strong. After a struggle with Benhadad, king of Syria, in which Ahab was successful (1 Kgs. 20), Israel and Syria made an alliance for the purpose of opposing Assyria. We learn from Assyrian inscriptions that the united forces were defeated by Shalmaneser Ⅲ, and Ahab then made an alliance with Jehoshaphat, king of Judah, against Syria and was killed while attempting to capture Ramoth-gilead (1 Kgs. 22; 2 Chr. 18).

Do you blame the LORD for confounding wickedness and prospering righteousness?

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

Jer 4:10

Jer 4:1 states:

Jeremiah 4:1
1 If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the Lord, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.

Again, it is because of the wickedness of the people that the LORD allows them to be deceived. The LORD will not prosper the wicked.

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. - Jeremiah 20:7

All your quotes deal with God's not backing the wickedness of the ungodly. God will not prosper the wicked in their evil ways but will send then strong delusion.

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

That pesky God sure works in mysterious ways.

I do agree that the church is evil and corrupt though.

I also think that those who believe in a supernatural god or Satan should seek help.

Regards
DL

God blocking the tree of life was for man's own good. Once man had become a fallen creature, he needed time to repent of his sins. Life then became a probationary state. A time for man to repent and turn from his evil ways and worship God. Had Adam and Eve partaken of the tree of life before repenting of their sin, they would have lived forever in a state of unrepentance and would not have received the mercy they needed. God blocked the tree to give them the opportunity to repent and come unto him.

Alma 12:21-30
21 What does the scripture mean, which saith that God placed cherubim and a flaming sword on the east of the garden of Eden, lest our first parents should enter and partake of the fruit of the tree of life, and live forever? And thus we see that there was no possible chance that they should live forever.
22 Now Alma said unto him: This is the thing which I was about to explain. Now we see that Adam did fall by the partaking of the forbidden fruit, according to the word of God; and thus we see, that by his fall, all mankind became a lost and fallen people.
23 And now behold, I say unto you that if it had been possible for Adam to have partaken of the fruit of the tree of life at that time, there would have been no death, and the word would have been void, making God a liar, for he said: If thou eat thou shalt surely die.
24 And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.
25 Now, if it had not been for the plan of redemption, which was laid from the foundation of the world, there could have been no resurrection of the dead; but there was a plan of redemption laid, which shall bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, of which has been spoken.
26 And now behold, if it were possible that our first parents could have gone forth and partaken of the tree of life they would have been forever miserable, having no preparatory state; and thus the plan of redemption would have been frustrated, and the word of God would have been void, taking none effect.
27 But behold, it was not so; but it was appointed unto men that they must die; and after death, they must come to judgment, even that same judgment of which we have spoken, which is the end.
28 And after God had appointed that these things should come unto man, behold, then he saw that it was expedient that man should know concerning the things whereof he had appointed unto them;
29 Therefore he sent angels to converse with them, who caused men to behold of his glory.
30 And they began from that time forth to call on his name; therefore God conversed with men, and made known unto them the plan of redemption, which had been prepared from the foundation of the world; and this he made known unto them according to their faith and repentance and their holy works.

 

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Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Will all religions disappear or will a new one replace them?

I don't see modern man falling for another new religion. What I can see happening is a new church that is not Jewish Christian or Muslim. It doesn't claim a God visited. It studies all the ancient religions and simply believe that there must be a God and it would only preach love.

What I see replacing the present religions and appeasing our tribal natures will be atheist churches as we see them now starting already.

I also hope that my all inclusive and universal religion/theology/philosophy, Gnostic Christianity, become the one true religion that it was always destined to be.

It does not have faith that there is a god other than man. In that, it follows the thinking of the more intelligent ancient thinkers.

Please follow this link.

What is God?

We do not preach only love although our preaching of hate is done out of love. We see a time to love and a time to hate. We hate evil and those religions like Christianity and Islam who preach evil, intolerance, homophobia and misogyny.

We live partly by this quote.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

That is why Christianity decimated us the moment they gained political power and also introduced the end of freedom of religion that persisted until secular law brought Christianity to heel. We will have to do the same thing with Islam. Through their reform or death.

We cannot let their immoral Jihad win.

Regards
DL

Either you are a live and let live theist or gtfu!

A live and let live theist I am not as I cannot ignore evil.

If you can you are neither moral or good.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is live and let live.

Regards
DL

We have laws. I guess in a democracy with free speech it is your right to have society run the way you think it aught to be run. But, for example abortion, don't be surprised when our secular laws don't perfectly match up to your religions rules.

 

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1 Nephi 14:10
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

In the true church there is but one God over this earth. In the church of the devil, there are many false churches and Gods. Some have been set up to emulate the true church of God and have mixed evil with good to fool those on the earth. Others worship dumb idols. And yet others worship the non-existence of God and as mentioned earlier science even when science itself has been corrupted with false teachings.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:24-25
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.

In the beginning, there was only god, to a believer, so believers must see god as the liar. That is part of why Gnostic Christians call god a vile demiurge.

Scriptures even back up that view.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

God being a God of goodness will not always allow the wicked to proper. He will not bless them in their evil ways but will confound the wicked that they prosper not. The above verses speak of Ahab, who was the most wicked of all the kings of Israel. He was married to Jezebel.

1 Kings 21:25
25 But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work wickedness in the sight of the Lord, whom Jezebel his wife stirred up.

Jezebel
A Phoenician princess, daughter of Ethbaal, king of Zidonians, and wife of Ahab, king of Israel (1 Kgs. 16:31). This marriage, more than any other single event, caused the downfall of the northern kingdom, as Jezebel introduced into Israel the worst forms of Phoenician worship in place of the worship of Jehovah (1 Kgs. 18:4, 13, 19; 19:1–2; see also 21:5–25; 2 Kgs. 9). In Rev. 2:20 the name is applied figuratively to a woman (or sect) causing great harm to the Church in Thyatira. See also Athaliah.

Ahab
(1) Son of Omri, and the most wicked and most powerful of the kings of northern Israel; he married Jezebel, a Sidonian princess, through whose influence the worship of Baal and Asherah was established in Israel (1 Kgs. 16:32–33; 2 Kgs. 3:2); and an attempt was made to exterminate the prophets and the worship of Jehovah (1 Kgs. 18:13). We have another instance of Jezebel’s evil influence over Ahab in the story of Naboth (1 Kgs. 21). During Ahab’s reign the kingdom of Israel was politically strong. After a struggle with Benhadad, king of Syria, in which Ahab was successful (1 Kgs. 20), Israel and Syria made an alliance for the purpose of opposing Assyria. We learn from Assyrian inscriptions that the united forces were defeated by Shalmaneser Ⅲ, and Ahab then made an alliance with Jehoshaphat, king of Judah, against Syria and was killed while attempting to capture Ramoth-gilead (1 Kgs. 22; 2 Chr. 18).

Do you blame the LORD for confounding wickedness and prospering righteousness?

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

Jer 4:10

Jer 4:1 states:

Jeremiah 4:1
1 If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the Lord, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.

Again, it is because of the wickedness of the people that the LORD allows them to be deceived. The LORD will not prosper the wicked.

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. - Jeremiah 20:7

All your quotes deal with God's not backing the wickedness of the ungodly. God will not prosper the wicked in their evil ways but will send then strong delusion.

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

That pesky God sure works in mysterious ways.

I do agree that the church is evil and corrupt though.

I also think that those who believe in a supernatural god or Satan should seek help.

Regards
DL

God blocking the tree of life was for man's own good. Once man had become a fallen creature, he needed time to repent of his sins. Life then became a probationary state. A time for man to repent and turn from his evil ways and worship God. Had Adam and Eve partaken of the tree of life before repenting of their sin, they would have lived forever in a state of unrepentance and would not have received the mercy they needed. God blocked the tree to give them the opportunity to repent and come unto him.

Alma 12:21-30
21 What does the scripture mean, which saith that God placed cherubim and a flaming sword on the east of the garden of Eden, lest our first parents should enter and partake of the fruit of the tree of life, and live forever? And thus we see that there was no possible chance that they should live forever.
22 Now Alma said unto him: This is the thing which I was about to explain. Now we see that Adam did fall by the partaking of the forbidden fruit, according to the word of God; and thus we see, that by his fall, all mankind became a lost and fallen people.
23 And now behold, I say unto you that if it had been possible for Adam to have partaken of the fruit of the tree of life at that time, there would have been no death, and the word would have been void, making God a liar, for he said: If thou eat thou shalt surely die.
24 And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.
25 Now, if it had not been for the plan of redemption, which was laid from the foundation of the world, there could have been no resurrection of the dead; but there was a plan of redemption laid, which shall bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, of which has been spoken.
26 And now behold, if it were possible that our first parents could have gone forth and partaken of the tree of life they would have been forever miserable, having no preparatory state; and thus the plan of redemption would have been frustrated, and the word of God would have been void, taking none effect.
27 But behold, it was not so; but it was appointed unto men that they must die; and after death, they must come to judgment, even that same judgment of which we have spoken, which is the end.
28 And after God had appointed that these things should come unto man, behold, then he saw that it was expedient that man should know concerning the things whereof he had appointed unto them;
29 Therefore he sent angels to converse with them, who caused men to behold of his glory.
30 And they began from that time forth to call on his name; therefore God conversed with men, and made known unto them the plan of redemption, which had been prepared from the foundation of the world; and this he made known unto them according to their faith and repentance and their holy works.

We still don't have any idea who composed the Book Of The Mormons.

Joseph P. Smith could not have done it because he was illiterate.

Oliver Cowdrey was a schoolteacher and scholar so he might have been the one.

Solomon Spalding might have been the one also.

The funniest thing about the Book Of The Mormons is that it contains verbatim errors in the KJV which we now today can easily find because we have ready access to the ancient Hebrew Tenakh and the ancient Greek New Testament.

Whoever plagiarized The Book Of The Mormons did not have this access. Hence the KJV was used to plagiarize it.

I am going to call this an a-posteriori finding of fact because it is impossible to deny it without guzzling about a ton of Koolaid.

Ergo, it makes no logical sense to quote from a fiction novel to cite your religious beliefs, even though the fiction novel has several million readers in several languages and is a bestseller.

I like fiction, but fiction can never substitute for fact.

Online Hebrew Interlinear Bible

Online Greek Interlinear Bible

 

[yiostheoy]

Why did we stop inventing gods?


The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk


Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.


Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.


Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.


I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.


Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.


Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?


Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?


Regards

DL


P.S. Gods are the opium of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

Will all religions disappear or will a new one replace them?

I don't see modern man falling for another new religion. What I can see happening is a new church that is not Jewish Christian or Muslim. It doesn't claim a God visited. It studies all the ancient religions and simply believe that there must be a God and it would only preach love.

What I see replacing the present religions and appeasing our tribal natures will be atheist churches as we see them now starting already.

I also hope that my all inclusive and universal religion/theology/philosophy, Gnostic Christianity, become the one true religion that it was always destined to be.

It does not have faith that there is a god other than man. In that, it follows the thinking of the more intelligent ancient thinkers.

Please follow this link.

What is God?

We do not preach only love although our preaching of hate is done out of love. We see a time to love and a time to hate. We hate evil and those religions like Christianity and Islam who preach evil, intolerance, homophobia and misogyny.

We live partly by this quote.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

That is why Christianity decimated us the moment they gained political power and also introduced the end of freedom of religion that persisted until secular law brought Christianity to heel. We will have to do the same thing with Islam. Through their reform or death.

We cannot let their immoral Jihad win.

Regards
DL

Either you are a live and let live theist or gtfu!

A live and let live theist I am not as I cannot ignore evil.

If you can you are neither moral or good.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is live and let live.

Regards
DL

So you must have really loved the James Bond 007 movie "Live And Let Die" then !?