Why didn't House Democrats follow normal protocol to call impeachment witnesses?

[jc456]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

hmmmmm The prosecutor says otherwise.Ex-Ukraine prosecutor said he was told to back off probe of Biden-linked firm, files show

 

[Yarddog]

To me, the real question should be whether Trump had a reason to suspect wrong-doing on Joe Biden's part.

So why is Trump asking Zelensky to get to the bottom of something wrong?

Nothing wrong with investigations. Let me ask you both, would it have been okay for the FBI to announce it was investigating Trump and possible Russian attempts to help him during the GOP primaries? Would it have been okay for Obama to coerce an ally using foreign aid as leverage,into announcing an investigation into Romney's possible corruption in 2011?

Well the thing is, Democrats have to prove that Trump asking Zelensky to look into corruption was solely for Trump's own benefit. Trump has the right to want to look into corruption, and corruption that had already been openly spoken of in the case of Ukraine. The suspicions were nothing new, Trump wasnt just randomly fishing for Dirt as the liar Shiff has said over again.
So if uncovering corruption that so happened to involve Biden or his son in this case somehow helped Trump, that would still be incidental. It needs to be proven that Trump acted only for his own personal benefit, and if you look at the actual transcript, it's just not there which is why Schiff was so compelled to make up a "PARODY" as he called it.
Furthermore I have heard reports that at the time of this phone call, Ukraine had already on its own, reopened investigations into Burisma.

 

[BlindBoo]

They issued a subpoena to Mulvaney, who refused to comply. Clearly, Executive Privilege could be used as the reason. But Trump's attorneys argue that the subpoena was invalid because the underlying reason for issuing it was the "impeachment inquiry", but the problem with that is Nazi Pelousy never held the required vote to implement an impeachment inquiry.

The reason for refusing to comply doesn't matter. Normal protocol when a subpoena is denied is to take it to the courts to get a ruling.

Why didn't Nazi and her House Clowns follow normal protocol? The withdrew the Muclvaney subpeona and did not go to court. Instead, they rushed a vote and are now over at the Senate begging jurors to conduct an investigation that was their responsibility.

Board Dimwingers refuse to acknowledge the responsibility for not having the witnesses they now claim is crucial to their "overwhelming" case is on the House Clowns. Not Trump. Not the Senate.

Once again, don't argue whether or not the reason for challenging the subpoena is valid. That will get nothing done here. That's is now a question for the courts. Dimwingers refused to go to the courts.

So stop trying to blame Trump and the Senate for the failures of your House Clowns to do their job.

Its simple. They didn't follow normal protocol so they could call it Obstruction of Congress.
Democrats are fighting for their lives to get Trump out of office for fear deeper corruption will be uncovered.

Thanks to the Republicans investigations of Obama, the House Committee chairs have subpoena power without a full vote on the House floor to authorize them. Trumpybear started the blanket obstruction of any Congressional Investigation via House Subpoena, before he obstructed the investigation into his Ukraine Shakedown Scheme.

he challenged them, that's allowed. they had to go to court. no obstruction sowwwy chawy

They are in court and the House has won every round. Allowing complete and total obstruction of relevant fact witnesses places the president above the law and accountability, thus abrogating the impeachment power outlined in our Constitution.

they didn't win shit. Bolton was never subpoena'd, never. you're mistaken as always.

So what? The claim of Blanket immunity only needs one case. It is in the appeals court after the last House victory. As a senior official he/they should come at the request of Congress not force Congress to issue subpoenas. If the call represented perfection, why is ol'Trumpybear determined to not let a single soul testify or provide any documentation at all?

 

[Yarddog]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Really means nothing. So your saying it was Parliaments decision to remove Shokin.... than what the hell was Biden bragging about? he claimed it was his phonecall that got Shokin removed in one day... Parliament acts that quickly?
One Billion may not be as much as 19 Billion in Loan guarantees but what really matters when your talking about graft, corruption and kickbacks is where that One Billion is going to and who is getting their pockets lined.

 

[jc456]

Its simple. They didn't follow normal protocol so they could call it Obstruction of Congress.
Democrats are fighting for their lives to get Trump out of office for fear deeper corruption will be uncovered.

Thanks to the Republicans investigations of Obama, the House Committee chairs have subpoena power without a full vote on the House floor to authorize them. Trumpybear started the blanket obstruction of any Congressional Investigation via House Subpoena, before he obstructed the investigation into his Ukraine Shakedown Scheme.

he challenged them, that's allowed. they had to go to court. no obstruction sowwwy chawy

They are in court and the House has won every round. Allowing complete and total obstruction of relevant fact witnesses places the president above the law and accountability, thus abrogating the impeachment power outlined in our Constitution.

they didn't win shit. Bolton was never subpoena'd, never. you're mistaken as always.

So what? The claim of Blanket immunity only needs one case. It is in the appeals court after the last House victory. As a senior official he/they should come at the request of Congress not force Congress to issue subpoenas. If the call represented perfection, why is ol'Trumpybear determined to not let a single soul testify or provide any documentation at all?

nope, each is it's own. and Bolton was never subpoena'd. I give two shits your divergence. that's merely a fact. Can't cry after a vote that you didn't get to call a witness you never called. partisan hacks each of the leftist demofk party!! the House didn't impeach the president, as such is invalid. IMO

 

[jc456]

NO CRIME EXISTS THEY MUST DISMISS.

 

[LeftofLeft]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

 

[jc456]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

 

[BlindBoo]

Democrats have to prove that Trump asking Zelensky to look into corruption was solely for Trump's own benefit.

In the call the only things he mention to Zelensky by name was the Biden and the DNC Server/Crowdstrike nonsense. Maybe he was speaking some kind of code or something, like Don Corleone, but he never said to investigate corruption generally, but specifically mentioned those two. Furthermore, the specifics of the statements required by Trump had to include references to the Bidens.

So if uncovering corruption that so happened to involve Biden or his son in this case somehow helped Trump, that would still be incidental.

Coincidentally, one of the two items specifically brought up by Trump on the perfect call?

 

[BlindBoo]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

He did. The EU and the IMF are more than willing to let the big guns of Uncle Sam step in.

 

[BlindBoo]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

 

[Oldstyle]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

What could be more compelling than a video tape of Joe Biden bragging about forcing the issue with the Ukrainians? Or are you now claiming that Joe Biden was lying when he was bragging?

 

[BlindBoo]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

What could be more compelling than a video tape of Joe Biden bragging about forcing the issue with the Ukrainians? Or are you now claiming that Joe Biden was lying when he was bragging?

And he got what the EU, the IMF and the Obama Administration (with bipartisan support) wanted. The corrupt prosecutor was removed. That's a big difference from demanding a very public announcement of a investigation into a political rival wouldn't you say?

 

[LeftofLeft]

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

What could be more compelling than a video tape of Joe Biden bragging about forcing the issue with the Ukrainians? Or are you now claiming that Joe Biden was lying when he was bragging?

And he got what the EU, the IMF and the Obama Administration (with bipartisan support) wanted. The corrupt prosecutor was removed. That's a big difference from demanding a very public announcement of a investigation into a political rival wouldn't you say?

If the guy was so corrupt and already under scrutiny, why the need to go there with the $1B?

 

[jc456]

Democrats have to prove that Trump asking Zelensky to look into corruption was solely for Trump's own benefit.

In the call the only things he mention to Zelensky by name was the Biden and the DNC Server/Crowdstrike nonsense. Maybe he was speaking some kind of code or something, like Don Corleone, but he never said to investigate corruption generally, but specifically mentioned those two. Furthermore, the specifics of the statements required by Trump had to include references to the Bidens.

So if uncovering corruption that so happened to involve Biden or his son in this case somehow helped Trump, that would still be incidental.

Coincidentally, one of the two items specifically brought up by Trump on the perfect call?

Well the crowdstrike nonsense infers 2016 and not 2020! Oops goes against the articles

 

[jc456]

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

What could be more compelling than a video tape of Joe Biden bragging about forcing the issue with the Ukrainians? Or are you now claiming that Joe Biden was lying when he was bragging?

And he got what the EU, the IMF and the Obama Administration (with bipartisan support) wanted. The corrupt prosecutor was removed. That's a big difference from demanding a very public announcement of a investigation into a political rival wouldn't you say?

If the guy was so corrupt and already under scrutiny, why the need to go there with the $1B?

Exactly, why the threat? Implies what we now know it implied! Just saying. And again, nothing to do with 2020

 

[Yarddog]

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

What could be more compelling than a video tape of Joe Biden bragging about forcing the issue with the Ukrainians? Or are you now claiming that Joe Biden was lying when he was bragging?

And he got what the EU, the IMF and the Obama Administration (with bipartisan support) wanted. The corrupt prosecutor was removed. That's a big difference from demanding a very public announcement of a investigation into a political rival wouldn't you say?

If the guy was so corrupt and already under scrutiny, why the need to go there with the $1B?

The Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. We all know how kickbacks for aid works. Biden letting the 1 Billion flow, was equivalent with sticking a bank card in an ATM machine.

 

[BlindBoo]

Democrats have to prove that Trump asking Zelensky to look into corruption was solely for Trump's own benefit.

In the call the only things he mention to Zelensky by name was the Biden and the DNC Server/Crowdstrike nonsense. Maybe he was speaking some kind of code or something, like Don Corleone, but he never said to investigate corruption generally, but specifically mentioned those two. Furthermore, the specifics of the statements required by Trump had to include references to the Bidens.

So if uncovering corruption that so happened to involve Biden or his son in this case somehow helped Trump, that would still be incidental.

Coincidentally, one of the two items specifically brought up by Trump on the perfect call?

Well the crowdstrike nonsense infers 2016 and not 2020! Oops goes against the articles

Must be your density. It was so unfair that Ukraine did that, we need to re-litigate it in 2020 with a little help from .....ops. Impeached!

 

[basquebromance]

"Oh! Another vital issue the United States Congress did NOT address this week: BANNING TRAVEL FROM CHINA TO BLOCK THE CORONA VIRUS THAT WILL KILL AMERICANS."

 

[basquebromance]

"BREAKING: Trump campaign officials beg Dem impeachment managers to keep lecturing the Senate for another five thousand hours or so."