Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID?

[nodoginnafight]

so if the Ohio law requires a photo ID that includes a home address, how do homeless people vote?

Since they need a verifiable home address to register to vote - they don't.

Then how is this a legitimate voting restriction?

Voter registration isn't a legitimate restriction on the right to vote?
The state does not have a compelling interest to verify that you are eligible to vote that that you vote in the correct place?

I never mentioned anything about registering voters. Are you trying to move the goalposts?
I asked why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction of voting. What's your answer to that?

I think you need to read your posts more carefully, as you are obviously talking about registering voters.

Registration is the least restrictive means for the state to verify that a prospective voter is eligible to vote and that he votes in the correct place. To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

I think YOU may need to read my posts again. I am asking why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction on voting among the homeless - NOT why registering is necessary.

And no - having a home address is NOT the only way to determine voting qualifications.

So you wanna try to answer my question - or are you just gonna keep diverting and deflecting?

 

[AtticusF]

An interesting dissection of what is really behind the Democrats obsession with voter ID's!

Lots of folks think Democrats oppose voter ID laws because they want to cheat and such laws interfere with their plans. That’s an attractive explanation, but it ignores the far more complex architecture of voter ID opposition. Here’s the real reasons Democrats oppose voter ID. Understanding these three reasons will help you decode the whole narrative behind voter ID. 1. Opposition to Voter ID Is a Base-Mobilization Tool. Simply, Democrats and civil rights groups spend millions of dollars opposing voter ID because they are trying to scare minority voters into thinking that Jim Crow is back. If Jim Crow is...

The PJ Tatler Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID

We've had voter ID since at least the 1960s where I live. It's not necessarily a photo-ID, but you gotta have some kind of ID, even if it's a couple of major bills. Seems to have worked fine. I'm opposed to the photo-ID because it's a burden on poor and sick people. I get the right/white wing doesn't care, but I and many others do.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Look, the Democrats wanna rig Elections. But so do the Republicans. We know this. Voter ID helps make it harder for them to do that. It really is shocking so many oppose it.

Are you sure you are a Libertarian? Everything you post demonstrates you are not.

Voter ID is a government intrusion into our voting rights. It is also ineffective at stopping the types of fraud which occur. So what self-respecting Libertarian would support wasting taxpayer dollars on an ineffective government intrusion into our lives? Huh?

Voter ID is a yellow brick on the road to national identity papers. And that road to totalitarian hell is paved with good intentions.

It is shocking you support it.

My little finger is more Libertarian than you are.

What government costs are there to requiring ID to vote. You've never answered that question.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Since they need a verifiable home address to register to vote - they don't.

Then how is this a legitimate voting restriction?

Voter registration isn't a legitimate restriction on the right to vote?
The state does not have a compelling interest to verify that you are eligible to vote that that you vote in the correct place?

I never mentioned anything about registering voters. Are you trying to move the goalposts?
I asked why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction of voting. What's your answer to that?

I think you need to read your posts more carefully, as you are obviously talking about registering voters.
Registration is the least restrictive means for the state to verify that a prospective voter is eligible to vote and that he votes in the correct place. To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

I think YOU may need to read my posts again. I am asking why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction on voting

Allow me to repeat myself:

To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

There you go.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Look, the Democrats wanna rig Elections. But so do the Republicans. We know this. Voter ID helps make it harder for them to do that. It really is shocking so many oppose it.

Are you sure you are a Libertarian? Everything you post demonstrates you are not.

Voter ID is a government intrusion into our voting rights. It is also ineffective at stopping the types of fraud which occur. So what self-respecting Libertarian would support wasting taxpayer dollars on an ineffective government intrusion into our lives? Huh?

Voter ID is a yellow brick on the road to national identity papers. And that road to totalitarian hell is paved with good intentions.

It is shocking you support it.

My little finger is more Libertarian than you are.

What government costs are there to requiring ID to vote. You've never answered that question.

Who is going to make the IDs?

 

[M14 Shooter]

We've had voter ID since at least the 1960s where I live. It's not necessarily a photo-ID, but you gotta have some kind of ID, even if it's a couple of major bills. Seems to have worked fine. I'm opposed to the photo-ID because it's a burden on poor and sick people.

These people can meet the burden to register to vote -- why can't they meet the burden to get an ID?
Without an ID, how does the state verify that the person at the poll is who he claims to be?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Then how is this a legitimate voting restriction?

Voter registration isn't a legitimate restriction on the right to vote?
The state does not have a compelling interest to verify that you are eligible to vote that that you vote in the correct place?

I never mentioned anything about registering voters. Are you trying to move the goalposts?
I asked why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction of voting. What's your answer to that?

I think you need to read your posts more carefully, as you are obviously talking about registering voters.
Registration is the least restrictive means for the state to verify that a prospective voter is eligible to vote and that he votes in the correct place. To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

I think YOU may need to read my posts again. I am asking why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction on voting

Allow me to repeat myself:

To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

There you go.

Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications. And since there are other - less restrictive ways - then disqualifying a person from voting because they are homeless is not a legitimate restriction on voting rights.

For example a person can register in one, and only one, precinct and only be allowed to vote in the precinct they register in.

Homeless man: "I usually sleep under the bridge at 57th and 14th streets.
Election official: "Ok, that's precinct 98. That is your voting precinct and you'll vote at the King Community Center on 58th. You know where that is? Now, we're going to print your voter registration/voter ID (with photo). It will take about 15 minutes."

Too many people have fought and died to secure the right to vote for all Americans for us to just piss that away for no legitimate reason.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Look, the Democrats wanna rig Elections. But so do the Republicans. We know this. Voter ID helps make it harder for them to do that. It really is shocking so many oppose it.

Are you sure you are a Libertarian? Everything you post demonstrates you are not.

Voter ID is a government intrusion into our voting rights. It is also ineffective at stopping the types of fraud which occur. So what self-respecting Libertarian would support wasting taxpayer dollars on an ineffective government intrusion into our lives? Huh?

Voter ID is a yellow brick on the road to national identity papers. And that road to totalitarian hell is paved with good intentions.

It is shocking you support it.

My little finger is more Libertarian than you are.

What government costs are there to requiring ID to vote. You've never answered that question.

Who is going to make the IDs?

How many people who are otherwise eligible to vote don't have ID do you think? Maybe a couple thousand nationwide?

Come on, try some honesty for a change

 

[Jarhead]

Since they need a verifiable home address to register to vote - they don't.

Then how is this a legitimate voting restriction?

Voter registration isn't a legitimate restriction on the right to vote?
The state does not have a compelling interest to verify that you are eligible to vote that that you vote in the correct place?

I never mentioned anything about registering voters. Are you trying to move the goalposts?
I asked why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction of voting. What's your answer to that?

I think you need to read your posts more carefully, as you are obviously talking about registering voters.

Registration is the least restrictive means for the state to verify that a prospective voter is eligible to vote and that he votes in the correct place. To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

I think YOU may need to read my posts again. I am asking why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction on voting among the homeless - NOT why registering is necessary.

And no - having a home address is NOT the only way to determine voting qualifications.

So you wanna try to answer my question - or are you just gonna keep diverting and deflecting?

I did.

Here in NY homeless people are offered, free of charge, ID that shows them as residents of the state. A home address is not required on any voting ID....just proof of residency of the state....and a state ID card does that for you....and the taxpayers of NYS gladly pay for it for those that can not afford it.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Voter registration isn't a legitimate restriction on the right to vote?
The state does not have a compelling interest to verify that you are eligible to vote that that you vote in the correct place?

I never mentioned anything about registering voters. Are you trying to move the goalposts?
I asked why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction of voting. What's your answer to that?

I think you need to read your posts more carefully, as you are obviously talking about registering voters.
Registration is the least restrictive means for the state to verify that a prospective voter is eligible to vote and that he votes in the correct place. To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

I think YOU may need to read my posts again. I am asking why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction on voting

Allow me to repeat myself:

To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

There you go.

Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications. And since there are other - less restrictive ways - then disqualifying a person from voting because they are homeless is not a legitimate restriction on voting rights.

so now you're arguing about homeless people? I really don't want someone who is so incompetent that they can't even provide themselves with a home voting anyway. Why would you?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

so if the Ohio law requires a photo ID that includes a home address, how do homeless people vote?

Do homeless people vote?

There is no blanket answer to that question. You can't lump all homeless people together, but why wouldn't they? And more importantly, why should we refuse them?

Who says we do refuse them?

State by State Breakdown of Homeless Voting Registration Policies/Laws:

http://www.veteransparty.us/homeless.htm

 

[Staidhup]

I, myself, think that we should have open borders.

And by all means let them vote, right? What a joke, the US is the only industrial country that fails to require valid, repeat valid, identification to vote.
As I say if you cant win a argument with substance and concrete facts then opt for plan B, simply open the boarders and import socialism.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Does a liquor store ask for ID because they don't want to sell liquor to one who can legally buy liquor?

Or is the law in place that they must ask for ID to ensure one who can NOT legally buy liquor, does not do so?

Do you believe that people who can legally buy liquor, do not because they don't want to go through the hassle of showing ID?

Would you say the law that was passed that insisted on liquor stores asking for ID was designed to suppress liquor sales to those that can legally buy liquor?

Texas AG and Gov candidate Greg Abbott can buy liquor with his ID, but can't vote with it:

"Abbott was flagged because his license lists his name as “Gregory Wayne Abbott” while his voter registration record simply calls him “Greg Abbott."

"

Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications.

Really.
How do you know what city/district/precinct someone should vote in if you cannot verify where they live?
What is less restrictive that requiring that the prospective voter provide verification of that address when registering?

For example a person can register in one, and only one, precinct and only be allowed to vote in the precinct they register in.

Homeless man: "I usually sleep under the bridge at 57th and 14th streets.
Election official: "Ok, that's precinct 98. That is your voting precinct and you'll vote at the King Community Center on 58th. You know where that is? Now, we're going to print your voter registration/voter ID (with photo). It will take about 15 minutes."

This is laughable at best for no reason other than there's no verification whatsoever -- your idea allows anyone to claim to be anyone and vote virtually anywhere.

 

[Jarhead]

An interesting dissection of what is really behind the Democrats obsession with voter ID's!

Lots of folks think Democrats oppose voter ID laws because they want to cheat and such laws interfere with their plans. That’s an attractive explanation, but it ignores the far more complex architecture of voter ID opposition. Here’s the real reasons Democrats oppose voter ID. Understanding these three reasons will help you decode the whole narrative behind voter ID. 1. Opposition to Voter ID Is a Base-Mobilization Tool. Simply, Democrats and civil rights groups spend millions of dollars opposing voter ID because they are trying to scare minority voters into thinking that Jim Crow is back. If Jim Crow is...

The PJ Tatler Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID

We've had voter ID since at least the 1960s where I live. It's not necessarily a photo-ID, but you gotta have some kind of ID, even if it's a couple of major bills. Seems to have worked fine. I'm opposed to the photo-ID because it's a burden on poor and sick people. I get the right/white wing doesn't care, but I and many others do.

Seems to have worked fine?
How about those without ID and without major credit card bills?

Seems you are happy with it.....and you care about the poor and the sickly.....but hell with the homeless.....because your system seems to work just fine.

You are another one who is so quick to criticize the right/white wing as you call it....without even realizing you are just as bad as those you criticize.

Working just fine....well....except for the homeless.....

LMAO...another hypocrite.

 

[Jarhead]

I, myself, think that we should have open borders.

And by all means let them vote, right? What a joke, the US is the only industrial country that fails to require valid, repeat valid, identification to vote.
As I say if you cant win a argument with substance and concrete facts then opt for plan B, simply open the boarders and import socialism.

we made the Afghanis stick there fingers in ink to ensure they wouldn't vote twice....but here in the US?

Just say "sure, I am an American....."

 

[Jarhead]

I never mentioned anything about registering voters. Are you trying to move the goalposts?
I asked why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction of voting. What's your answer to that?

I think you need to read your posts more carefully, as you are obviously talking about registering voters.
Registration is the least restrictive means for the state to verify that a prospective voter is eligible to vote and that he votes in the correct place. To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

I think YOU may need to read my posts again. I am asking why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction on voting

Allow me to repeat myself:

To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

There you go.

Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications. And since there are other - less restrictive ways - then disqualifying a person from voting because they are homeless is not a legitimate restriction on voting rights.

so now you're arguing about homeless people? I really don't want someone who is so incompetent that they can't even provide themselves with a home voting anyway. Why would you?

I was homeless for several months....in between ideologies is what I like to say. Was a liberal cursing out the man...and the man fired my ass as he should have. Refused to work for "the man" again, and I found myself homeless within months.
Woke me up....made me realize it was not "the man"....it was me.
Anyway.....homeless does not mean incompetent. It could mean ill, misguided, unlucky.

All Americans deserve the right to vote.

 

[paulitician]

Just think about why ID's are required in so many facets of your life. Once you contemplate that, you'll realize that Voter ID is the right way to go. Democrats should stop opposing it. It only makes them look like they're being pissy over the fact it makes it harder for them to rig Elections.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I think you need to read your posts more carefully, as you are obviously talking about registering voters.
Registration is the least restrictive means for the state to verify that a prospective voter is eligible to vote and that he votes in the correct place. To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

I think YOU may need to read my posts again. I am asking why requiring an address to register is a legitimate restriction on voting

Allow me to repeat myself:

To verify that the person votes in the correct place, that person must have a verifiable home address.

There you go.

Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications. And since there are other - less restrictive ways - then disqualifying a person from voting because they are homeless is not a legitimate restriction on voting rights.

so now you're arguing about homeless people? I really don't want someone who is so incompetent that they can't even provide themselves with a home voting anyway. Why would you?

I was homeless for several months....in between ideologies is what I like to say. Was a liberal cursing out the man...and the man fired my ass as he should have. Refused to work for "the man" again, and I found myself homeless within months.
Woke me up....made me realize it was not "the man"....it was me.
Anyway.....homeless does not mean incompetent. It could mean ill, misguided, unlucky.

All Americans deserve the right to vote.

Ding ding ding ... we have a winner

 

[nodoginnafight]

Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications. And since there are other - less restrictive ways - then disqualifying a person from voting because they are homeless is not a legitimate restriction on voting rights.

For example a person can register in one, and only one, precinct and only be allowed to vote in the precinct they register in.

Homeless man: "I usually sleep under the bridge at 57th and 14th streets.
Election official: "Ok, that's precinct 98. That is your voting precinct and you'll vote at the King Community Center on 58th. You know where that is? Now, we're going to print your voter registration/voter ID (with photo). It will take about 15 minutes."

Too many people have fought and died to secure the right to vote for all Americans for us to just piss that away for no legitimate reason.