Why do people hate Liberals?

[Unkotare]

AJ -

You should celebrate the fact that open minded posters will still call 'em as they see 'em and not stick to blinkered party loyalty to think for them.

If conservative posters were more prepared to criticise conservative media, posters and politicians, conservatism would be stronger for it.

Did you honestly not realize what an asshole you'd look like when you posted that?

 

[Saigon]

Did you honestly not realize what an asshole you'd look like when you posted that?

Whereas I thought you looked really cool when you scolded another poster for his English - in a comment containing no less than four language errors.

I'm still entirely comfortable with what I said to AJ - criticising posters for attacking "their" own media sources promotes passive obediance - not free thinking.

 

[Saigon]

Good thread OP. Good try anyways.


Some good conversation was had for the first few pages.


Fing pisses me off you (OP) know more about these stand by talking points than many here.

Thanks Nole!

We did have some really good debate in the first few pages!

 

[Unkotare]

Did you honestly not realize what an asshole you'd look like when you posted that?

Whereas I thought you looked really cool when you scolded another poster for his English - in a comment containing no less than four language errors.

I already corrected you about that. Back to ESL school with you.

 

[Saigon]

Did you honestly not realize what an asshole you'd look like when you posted that?

Whereas I thought you looked really cool when you scolded another poster for his English - in a comment containing no less than four language errors.

I already corrected you about that. Back to ESL school with you.

Is the third-world where you tried, and failed miserably, to learn English, you fucking moron?

And here it is again for you -

1) incorrect use of hyphen
2) incorrect use of commas
3) incorrect use of capital letters
4) incorrect sentence structure - statement/question forms confused

The sentence could perhaps read -

"Where in the Third World did you try and fail miserably to learn English, you fucking moron?"

Again, I'd be more than happy to explain the laws involved for you.

 

[Fordsflylow]

For the businesses and employees that get the 400mil in business revenue and the taxes they pay...yes indeed.

I tend to look at the broad/big picture. You know, like the facts that a relative few rich fucking assholes are trying to BUY this election and are funding only one side - the con side. Which makes it easy to assume that they expect something in return for their investments. What do you think that might be?

what about the rich fucking assholes who fund only the Liberal side?....dont you think they want something in return?......what do you think it might be?.....the trouble with many people here is they think the real rich Democrats are different than the real rich Conservatives.....when push comes to shove...see who they side with....the people or themselves.....rich people will side with other rich people because they have something in common.....its called Money.....

You could have done better than that avoiding answering my question, AND asking one instead. What will the rich fucking asshole get in return for supporting a con with oodles of money? Seeing as you're so good at not answering questions I'll try again but a different question; name a "rich fucking asshole" who funds only the left? I'd bet my bottom dollar if he/she funds the left he/she is not an asshole, as are the numerous rich fucking assholes who do fund only the right AND expect a great deal in return.

The wealthy who fund the left know they are not going to get anything in return which is why corporate money tends to be lopsided toward the right/wrong side. Those who fund the left imo show a concern for those who's voice is drowned out by the money AND try and counter it with money.

 

[Fordsflylow]

Liberals founded this country

What have conservatives done?

how many times are you going to bring this up?...........and how many times are you going to be told Liberal/Conservative in those days may not have meant as much as it seems to today....they both had a common goal.....they wanted to be free of the British.....the Colonist who were against them were here,but were British at heart obviously....

What kind/type of British were they against?

 

[Unkotare]

Whereas I thought you looked really cool when you scolded another poster for his English - in a comment containing no less than four language errors.

I already corrected you about that. Back to ESL school with you.

Is the third-world where you tried, and failed miserably, to learn English, you fucking moron?

And here it is again for you -

1) incorrect use of hyphen
2) incorrect use of commas
3) incorrect use of capital letters
4) incorrect sentence structure - statement/question forms confused

The sentence could perhaps read -

"Where in the Third World did you try and fail miserably to learn English, you fucking moron?"

Again, I'd be more than happy to explain the laws involved for you.

Good luck in the next level of your ESL course, dope.

 

[Fordsflylow]

Actually, and I hate to admit it, I have experienced true hatred from liberals more than I have from conservatives. I am socially very liberal, emphasizing individual rights and freedoms over governments power almost universally, I am pro gay marriage (my daughters godmother and one of my sisters are lesbians), I am pro drug legalization, I am anti death penalty except in very rare instances, I am pro choice etc. etc. etc.

However I am also a scientist and as such I will not hide my contempt for bad science and the cult of AGW is an excellent example of that. Liberals have called for the death and improsnment or commitment to mental institutions for sceptics almost from the begining.

The scurillous things the liberals have said are far worse than anything I've heard from conservatives on issues of a social nature. I will grant you that ultra religious zealots will commit murder of abortion doctors (one of the few things I think the death penalty is appropriate for) but they are of limited nature.

Hmmm, ultra religious, that describes the AGW cultists as well. Maybe there's a connection?

So you work for Exxon? lol You don't believe the planet is warming? I'll go with objective scientists.

This is exactly waht Im talking about in my last post............this kind of viewpoint is radical fringe. These bozo's talk about "the consensus science" all the time as it relates to global warming. But the bomb throwers have failed and the whole effort has slid directly backwards in the last 3 or 4 yeras. Nobody gives a flying fuck about the science. Cap and Trade is now a relic from a former era. Solar and wind still account for less than 5% of our energy production and at BEST, will reach 10% by the mid 2030's. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet........even Merkel in Germany is going back to coal!!!For the next two decades, the threads in the ENVIRONMENT section are going to say the exact same things and those k00ks will still be losing in decisive fashion.


Liberals are taking the big old telephone pole up the ungreased poop shoot in environmental policy.........the best they can hope to do is throw up court challenges just to fuck up the process. But nobody is talking about "global warming" on Capitol Hill..........the whole phrase is radioactive up there. Even assholes like John Kerry never utter it anymore. And dang..........the president never even referenced the environment or climate change in this years SOTU address.

"Nobody" gives a shit about science? I'd believe that con's, particularly evangelical christian con's, don't give a shit about science. Hell read any of their text books and it is clear as the day is long they have no need for it.

What or who made you an expert of Germany's energy policy? This ought to be good! Seems to me I read somewhere that Germany has among the most solar energy per capita than all industrialized countries.

 

[Freewill]

Now Mathew, you really think that the economic theories that resulted in the First Great Republican Depression were not destructive? And that the deconstruction of the regulations that were put into place because of that Depression, leading up to October, 2008, and a very near brush with the Second Great Republican Depression, were not destuctive?

Considering that the destruction of the economy occurred after the democrats took control of Congress and ignored Bush, yes the liberal idea of economics has proved to be a giant fail. Obama had 3 1/2 years to do what he said and again fail. Of course he has a good excuse. He did not and does not have the experience to know what he should do and the liberals he put in as Czar obviously don't know what they are doing, or have you been living on some other planet for 3 1/2 years of economic disaster? And don't try and feed us the "it would have been worse" BS. When Obama was running for office we told you that he didn't have the experience. When he was plunging our children into 4 trillion in debt we told you it wouldn't work. We were right it has not and we are stuck in the malaise of the longest weakest recovery in history. Obama had a chance to have one of the greatest economic come backs but he did not, a complete fail.

 

[Saigon]

Freewill -

Are you really giving the Bush adminstration a pass for eight years of failed economic policies?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Freewill -

Are you really giving the Bush adminstration a pass for eight years of failed economic policies?

I blame it on Filmore.

 

[Fordsflylow]

Actually, and I hate to admit it, I have experienced true hatred from liberals more than I have from conservatives. I am socially very liberal, emphasizing individual rights and freedoms over governments power almost universally, I am pro gay marriage (my daughters godmother and one of my sisters are lesbians), I am pro drug legalization, I am anti death penalty except in very rare instances, I am pro choice etc. etc. etc.

However I am also a scientist and as such I will not hide my contempt for bad science and the cult of AGW is an excellent example of that. Liberals have called for the death and improsnment or commitment to mental institutions for sceptics almost from the begining.

The scurillous things the liberals have said are far worse than anything I've heard from conservatives on issues of a social nature. I will grant you that ultra religious zealots will commit murder of abortion doctors (one of the few things I think the death penalty is appropriate for) but they are of limited nature.

Hmmm, ultra religious, that describes the AGW cultists as well. Maybe there's a connection?

So you work for Exxon? lol You don't believe the planet is warming? I'll go with objective scientists.

Nope, my first job was with Dames and Moore, you wouldn't know who they were as they were the worlds first environmental geology company. You know folks who actually try and fix the damage man has done to the planet, unlike you folks who just want to tax people to pollute more.

And as far as objective scientists go, when you can show me one of those "objective" scientists who isn't dependent on government largesse for the AGW "research" they do, you let me know.

One thing is perfectly clear to me when it comes to the con's. They put money above all, even human life. Therefore their starting point is warped which leads to warped solutions(?).

This is a bit off track but ponder this; if this country could/would just focus on the massive WASTE and inefficiency we could save so much of our home (Earth) and money. You know lead by example!

The US only gets around 30% efficiency rate from it's power grid, from generation to the consumer. Which means 60% of a unit of energy is pissed away. In comparison, Japan wastes 10% with 90% efficiency rate. That's just one segment! Virtually every segment of US society wastes beyond belief which is why we as a nation (5% of worlds population) wastes 30% of the worlds resources. Time to wake up to the fact that this economy is UNSUSTAINABLE.

Instead of we American's bitching about China sending us their poisonous trinkets and such we should quit demanding/consuming them. Simple really!!

 

[OODA_Loop]

[This is a bit off track but ponder this; if this country could/would just focus on the massive WASTE and inefficiency we could save so much of our home (Earth) and money. You know lead by example!

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times" - Barack Obama

 

[Fordsflylow]

Only tinfoil total dupes believe Obama is communist. Cold War dinosaur morons. The rest of the world sees a pragmatic centrist.

In what way is he centrist? I see him give loads of money to those who have given him money but his policies are very collectivist. I see nothing centrist about him.

Lets compare what just one con, Bush, did with a full majority in Congress for 6 years? What did he and his cohort cheney do that was so grand in comparison?

 

[Billo_Really]

10 Differences between Conservatives And Liberals

Conservatives and liberals approach almost every issue with completely different philosophies, underlying assumptions, and methods. That's why it's so hard to find genuine compromise between conservatism and liberalism -- because not only are liberals almost always wrong, their solutions almost always make things worse.

With that in mind, let me take a few moments to explain some of the key differences between liberals and conservative to you.

Bonus) Conservatives believe that judges should act like umpires instead of legislating from the bench. That means that judges should determine whether laws are permissible under the Constitution and settle debates about the meaning of laws, not impose their will based on their ideological leanings. Liberals view judges as a backdoor method of getting unpopular left-leaning legislation passed. They don't want umpires, they want political partisans in black robes who will side with them first and then come up with a rationale to explain it.

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10 Differences between Conservatives And Liberals - John Hawkins - [page]

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Talk about delusional, you fuckers live in an alternate universe that has no basis in reality. The things you say, are not grounded to anything on this planet. Did it ever occur to you, that when you broadstroke an entire group of people and act as though they were one entity with one thought process and one goal, that there's something wrong with you and your ability to reason?

Or maybe you're just a pussy who doesn't have the balls to be honest?

Allow me to clear a few things up...

10) Conservatives believe that individual Americans have a right to defend themselves and their families with guns and that right cannot be taken away by any method short of a Constitutional Amendment, which conservatives would oppose. Liberals believe by taking arms away from law abiding citizens, they can prevent criminals, who aren't going to abide by gun control laws, from using guns in the commission of crimes.

I'm a liberal and never in my entire life has the thought of taking someone's gun away crossed my mind. I would like to see you cite specific examples of where this is occurring.

9) Conservatives believe that we should live in a color blind society where every individual is judged on the content of his character and the merits of his actions. On the other hand, liberals believe that it's ok to discriminate based on race as long as it primarily benefits minority groups.

Is that why your media leaders sing, "Barack, the magic negro" and say, "he's got a deep seated hatred for white people" or want to bring back Jim Crow laws for elections? Is that why they hold up racist signs at rallys?

8) Conservatives are capitalists and believe that entrepreneurs who amass great wealth through their own efforts are good for the country and shouldn't be punished for being successful. Liberals are socialists who view successful business owners as people who cheated the system somehow or got lucky. That's why they don't respect high achievers and see them as little more than piggy banks for their programs.

Tell me what did a hedge fund manager do that is worth $39,000 per hour? What accomplishment (or contribution) to this society did he make to deserve a payoff like that? How is society better off when they take our tax dollars and give it to executives for bonuses, instead of putting American's back to work?

7) Conservatives believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child and since we believe that infanticide is wrong, we oppose abortion. Most liberals, despite what they'll tell you, believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child, but they prefer killing the baby to inconveniencing the mother.

That's a fetus! But once that fetus is in this world, you think nothing of executing him/her for possession of drugs. Even if that person has an IQ of 61. You value life my ass!

6) Conservatives believe in confronting and defeating enemies of the United States before they can harm American citizens. Liberals believe in using law enforcement measures to deal with terrorism, which means that they feel we should allow terrorists to train, plan, and actually attempt to kill Americans before we try to arrest them -- as if you can just send the police around to pick up a terrorist mastermind hiding in Iran or the wilds of Pakistan.

That's right you mother-fucker! This is a country based on the rule of law. And when you don't respect the law, you are harming our citizens more than any terrorist. And you're making us all less safe when you make up reasons to attack sovereign nations.

BTW, we also fund, train, plan and actually attempt to kill people in other nations, as well. I'll give you one example, School of the America's. WTF do you think we teach there?

5) Conservatives, but not necessarily Republicans (which is unfortunate), believe it's vitally important to the future of the country to reduce the size of government, keep taxes low, balance the budget, and get this country out of debt. Liberals, and Democrats for that matter, believe in big government, high taxes, and they have never met a new spending program they didn't like, whether we will have to go into debt to pay for it or not.

Reduce the size of government my ass! Is that why you people created the Dept of Homeland Security (an entire new Cabinet post)? How much did that run us? How much did that reduce government? As far as getting this country out of debt, do I need to remind you, we gave you a budget surplus and what did you do with it? You created about $4.5 trillion in debt that this country is still dealing with.

And another thing, I do not believe in high taxes. I also don't believe people in the top 1% income bracket should be paying 10% less than I do for their capital gains and stocks. If I gotta pay 25% in taxes, then they gotta pay 25% as well. I don't believe in corporate welfare!

4) Conservatives believe that government, by its very nature, tends to be inefficient, incompetent, wasteful, and power hungry. That's why we believe that the government that governs least, governs best. Liberals think that the solution to every problem is another government program. Even when those new programs create new problems, often worse than the ones that were being fixed in the first place, the solution is always....you guessed it, another government program.

You outta know something about government being wasteful with our tax dollars. You spent a trillion US dollars in someone else's fuckin' country to fight this bullshit GWOT and we American's got absolutely nothing in return for that investment. GO FUCK YOURSELF!

3) Conservatives are patriotic, believe that America is a great nation, and are primarily interested in looking out for the good of the country. That's why we believe in "American exceptionalism" and "America first." Liberals are internationalists who are more concerned about what Europeans think of us and staying in the good graces of the corrupt bureaucrats who control the UN than looking out for the best interests of this nation.

There is nothing patriotic about being irresponsible and thinking your above the law. And when you constantly blame others for the things that you, yourself do, you're not doing anything for the good of the country. Truth and justice, is the American way. But when you constantly lie about shit and politicize our justice dept, that is NOT the American way.

2) Conservatives, most of them anyway, believe in God and think that the Constitution has been twisted by liberal judges to illegitimately try to purge Christianity from the public square. We also believe, most of us anyway, that this country has been successful in large part because it is a good, Christian nation and if our country ever turns away from the Lord, it will cease to prosper. Liberals, most of them anyway, are hostile to Christianity. That's why, whether you're talking about a school play at Christmas time, a judge putting the Ten Commandments on the wall of his court, or a store employee saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," liberals are dedicated to driving reminders of Christianity from polite society.

A core American value is the separation of church and state. The founding fathers saw exactly what could happen in Europe when you combine those two entities and they deliberately set this nation up so that couldn't happen. You bitch about the threat of Sharia Law, yet you try to do the exact same thing using another religion to do it with.

I'm a liberal and I'm a Catholic. And I'm gonna tell you, many of you on the right don't have a clue as to what Christianity is all about. You're just bullshit Christian's acting like you know Christ in order to further a political agenda. And I'll prove it right now!

Many of you fuckers support the Iraq war. Well, answer this question if you value the Ten Commandments:'

"How would Jesus of bombed Fallujah?"​

1) Conservatives believe in pursuing policies because they're pragmatic and because they work. Liberals believe in pursuing policies because they're "nice" and make them feel good. Whether the policies they're advocating actually work or not is of secondary importance to them.

Policies that are "pragmatic and work"?

Like the war on drugs? Or the war on crime? Or the war on terror? Or the war on women? Or the war on our 1st amendment rights?

I'll make you a deal, I'll fight for your 2nd amendment rights, if you fight for my 1st amendment rights.

 

[Fordsflylow]

There is a difference between people and the right wingnut Christian Taliban you are so obviously fond of.

So true!

 

[OODA_Loop]

Lets compare what just one con, Bush, did with a full majority in Congress for 6 years? What did he and his cohort cheney do that was so grand in comparison?

My life was better and more enriched. Which is why I am voting for Romeny this time.

 

[Fordsflylow]

I am officially sick of all liberals

Yeah, I'm gonna rant. Get over it. Eat the bullets of my word-gun. Prepare to be stereotyped!

These label-happy liberals have me on my last nerve. They go around shaming anyone that even slightly aligns with republicans like it's some sort of religious crusade. Like if you're even slightly republican, it automatically makes you a closed-minded lunatic. Then they turn around and say "If we just look to the almighty government, it can save us!" It's garbage and most liberals half-know it, but their too busy railing against the Right to admit it.

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Daily Kos: I am officially sick of all liberals

So repubs have never had govt help?
You sound like nothing but a hater, anything else new?
Are you using soft bullets?

Can't speak for all republicans or conservatives, as for me, I never had to depend on the government to take care of me.

Care to share some more? Lets hear it!

 

[Freewill]

Freewill -

Are you really giving the Bush adminstration a pass for eight years of failed economic policies?

I am not absolving anyone who was involved from blame. So are you giving Obama and the democrats after 3 1/2 years of doing exactly what they wanted with control of the Senate and WH and 3 years before that control of Congress NO blame?

Now, if you want to have a discussion on what caused the stock market crash which caused or was the result of the housing bubble burst then name the BUSH policy that you think caused the situation.