Why do republicans say “Americans first” yet they reject any socialist proposal?

[OKTexas]

Neither is demanding people accept lies that go against nature itself.

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I never said anything about demanding people accept lies. That’s you trying to spin your way out of it

Scientific facts are not spin. People are as they are born, no psychobabble or artificial modifications will change that FACT. Stop lying and telling people it can.

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That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

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Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

The fact is that's just nature. Birth defects and mental disorders not withstanding.

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[Slade3200]

I never said anything about demanding people accept lies. That’s you trying to spin your way out of it

Scientific facts are not spin. People are as they are born, no psychobabble or artificial modifications will change that FACT. Stop lying and telling people it can.

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That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

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Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

The fact is that's just nature. Birth defects and mental disorder not withstanding.

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Why not? Aren’t we the ones calling them “defects” and “disorders” if it’s how they were born then why isn’t it just natural? Did you ever think of that?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Neither is demanding people accept lies that go against nature itself.

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I never said anything about demanding people accept lies. That’s you trying to spin your way out of it

Scientific facts are not spin. People are as they are born, no psychobabble or artificial modifications will change that FACT. Stop lying and telling people it can.

.

That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

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Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

So gays and atheist are new?

 

[Slade3200]

I never said anything about demanding people accept lies. That’s you trying to spin your way out of it

Scientific facts are not spin. People are as they are born, no psychobabble or artificial modifications will change that FACT. Stop lying and telling people it can.

.

That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

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Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

So gays and atheist are new?

No, when did I say they were new? What are you talking about?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Scientific facts are not spin. People are as they are born, no psychobabble or artificial modifications will change that FACT. Stop lying and telling people it can.

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That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

.

Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

So gays and atheist are new?

No, when did I say they were new? What are you talking about?

Then why were they not included?

 

[Slade3200]

That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

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Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

So gays and atheist are new?

No, when did I say they were new? What are you talking about?

Then why were they not included?

Because our society and law makers didn’t want to include them. They wanted society to fit into their defined construct. That’s my whole point.

 

[Wyatt earp]

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

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Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

So gays and atheist are new?

No, when did I say they were new? What are you talking about?

Then why were they not included?

Because our society and law makers didn’t want to include them. They wanted society to fit into their defined construct. That’s my whole point.

So context matters?

 

[Slade3200]

Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

So gays and atheist are new?

No, when did I say they were new? What are you talking about?

Then why were they not included?

Because our society and law makers didn’t want to include them. They wanted society to fit into their defined construct. That’s my whole point.

So context matters?

Context always matters but what does that have to do with this conversation?

 

[Wyatt earp]

So gays and atheist are new?

No, when did I say they were new? What are you talking about?

Then why were they not included?

Because our society and law makers didn’t want to include them. They wanted society to fit into their defined construct. That’s my whole point.

So context matters?

Context always matters but what does that have to do with this conversation?

Historical..

 

[Slade3200]

No, when did I say they were new? What are you talking about?

Then why were they not included?

Because our society and law makers didn’t want to include them. They wanted society to fit into their defined construct. That’s my whole point.

So context matters?

Context always matters but what does that have to do with this conversation?

Historical..

And...

 

[OKTexas]

Scientific facts are not spin. People are as they are born, no psychobabble or artificial modifications will change that FACT. Stop lying and telling people it can.

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That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

.

Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

The fact is that's just nature. Birth defects and mental disorder not withstanding.

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Why not? Aren’t we the ones calling them “defects” and “disorders” if it’s how they were born then why isn’t it just natural? Did you ever think of that?

Millions of years of norms say otherwise, once again it's an argument against science and nature.

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[Slade3200]

That doesn’t matter, I am talking bout the social laws and rules that we make up. You can take the view point of freedom and liberty allowing people to live the way they want to live or you can regulate and define the social construct in the way the government wants it to be. On this issue you are taking the latter.

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

.

Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

The fact is that's just nature. Birth defects and mental disorder not withstanding.

.

Why not? Aren’t we the ones calling them “defects” and “disorders” if it’s how they were born then why isn’t it just natural? Did you ever think of that?

Millions of years of norms say otherwise, once again it's an argument against science and nature.

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“Norms” what are those exactly? Societal constructs created by man? Stuff like slavery, public beheadings, prostitution, and discrimination against women?? Stuff like that?

 

[DustyInfinity]

I have heard that capitalism is a natural development of barter and commerce. The reason that it it works is because it is practical and developed throughout our history. It is an evolved method of people dealing with each other. That is the reason I don't understand the bow ties pushing for collectivism. It is not a naturally evolved system. It is imposed on people with disastrous consequences. It has also been a reliably failed system for people to deal with each other. It always leads to the wealthy elite imposing their will on the serfs. Corruption ensues. We have a system developed throughout history that has lifted more people out of poverty than any other in history, and the bow ties want to scrap it for a top down slave state?

 

[TRFjr]

They do get that right? The most direct way to benefit the lives of Americans is through a socialist policy.

Hey, repubs, what non-socialist policy would help the well being of Americans in general besides tax cuts? Or do you think tax cuts will solve any problem?

easy, socialism is un-American it goes against our principals of freedoms and liberties the foundation this country was built upon

 

[TRFjr]

I have heard that capitalism is a natural development of barter and commerce. The reason that it it works is because it is practical and developed throughout our history. It is an evolved method of people dealing with each other. That is the reason I don't understand the bow ties pushing for collectivism. It is not a naturally evolved system. It is imposed on people with disastrous consequences. It has also been a reliably failed system for people to deal with each other. It always leads to the wealthy elite imposing their will on the serfs. Corruption ensues. We have a system developed throughout history that has lifted more people out of poverty than any other in history, and the bow ties want to scrap it for a top down slave state?

you couldn't be more correct
Capitalism is the default economic system it is what evolves if no other system is forced on society its the system of choice

 

[blackhawk]

The only people socialism truly benefits are those in charge,

 

[OKTexas]

People are free to live the way they want, when they start trying to impose their choices on others and demand acceptance of those choices is where their freedom ends. A society that demands the same is not long for this world, rational people won't put up with it.

.

Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

The fact is that's just nature. Birth defects and mental disorder not withstanding.

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Why not? Aren’t we the ones calling them “defects” and “disorders” if it’s how they were born then why isn’t it just natural? Did you ever think of that?

Millions of years of norms say otherwise, once again it's an argument against science and nature.

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“Norms” what are those exactly? Societal constructs created by man? Stuff like slavery, public beheadings, prostitution, and discrimination against women?? Stuff like that?

No, nature and the perpetuation of the species, the natural need to procreate.

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[Slade3200]

Well that argument can be used for any issue. You imposing your choice on abortion effects mothers. Your choice for immigration effects immigrants, your choice for no gun regulations has costs lives... see how easily that can be flipped around?

Fact is we decided to construct our society by two sexes, straight men and women. We didn’t consider any of the in between. Gay and trans have been excluded as a result. That’s just a fact

The fact is that's just nature. Birth defects and mental disorder not withstanding.

.

Why not? Aren’t we the ones calling them “defects” and “disorders” if it’s how they were born then why isn’t it just natural? Did you ever think of that?

Millions of years of norms say otherwise, once again it's an argument against science and nature.

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“Norms” what are those exactly? Societal constructs created by man? Stuff like slavery, public beheadings, prostitution, and discrimination against women?? Stuff like that?

No, nature and the perpetuation of the species, the natural need to procreate.

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Yeah so? Some people are born sterile, others gay others tans... where does it say that everybody needs to procreate?

 

[LeftofLeft]

They do get that right? The most direct way to benefit the lives of Americans is through a socialist policy.

Hey, repubs, what non-socialist policy would help the well being of Americans in general besides tax cuts? Or do you think tax cuts will solve any problem?

Americans don’t reject any socialist policy. Americans reject socialism. Big difference. We have limited socialist policies in place; one could argue: unemployment, welfare, social security. Americans will consider welfare and entitlement policies. That said, capitalism pays for socialism.

 

[bripat9643]

They do get that right? The most direct way to benefit the lives of Americans is through a socialist policy.

Hey, repubs, what non-socialist policy would help the well being of Americans in general besides tax cuts? Or do you think tax cuts will solve any problem?

Socialism is the way you fuck every productive American up the ass