Why does the NRA shill "defense gun use" when there are only 500 cases of self defense a year...

[Wildman]

That's a godamn lie

NO !!

you are the one posting lies you fucking lying demorat scumbag.

 

[Wildman]

a person that won't defend himself or his family must have an awfully low self image

"a person"

someone like houseplant ?

 

[Theowl32]

All liberal heroes folks (let us be clear. Liberals, are left wing commies. Not true liberals. They are all wolves in sheeps clothing shouting from their fake laughable moral platitudes). Yes, Hitler too.

Start a thread about Israel, and you will see how much the left wing socialists have in common with Hitler.

Eternal shame will be upon every last left winger. We can all take joy in that.

 

[mudwhistle]

Not a good idea at all Joe. Very bad idea

Blood from who? Again, we don't give a shit Joe

Fuck em

Dead is a better result than further innocent victims in the years to come had a courageous act by a citizen and the brave act of an LEO had not been warranted

Good times

Obama should, say, 'If I had a family of boyz' like those two, he would be getting two social security checks a month

You see, you prove my point.

You guys just want to shoot the darkies. But most of you don't have the balls.

I fail to see how you come to that conclusion from my OP

-Geaux

Joe usually pulls things out of his ass. His ass must be the size of Nebraska to hold all the crap he pulls out of it and posts here.
Just as an aside, review the case of Martin and Zimmerman. Zimmerman had many opportunities to shoot Martin (and I would have shot him a whole lot earlier) yet he held off until he had absolutely no choice whatsoever. Makes a liar of Joe.

His ass is the size of Alaska......his asshole is the size of Nebraska.

 

[Misty]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray


Meanwhile, 30,000 innocent people minding their own business are shot a year with guns. Key Gun Violence Statistics Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence


So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them by police officers or not involving guns at all, justify the ownership of guns for self defense, at the cost of 30,000 innocent lives a year?

If someone knows you have a gun for self defense they are far less likely to fuck with you unless of course a democrat finds out then they want to take it away.

 

[2aguy]

You're a fucking liar.

Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary, depending on the study's population, criteria, time-period studied, and other factors. Higher end estimates by Kleck and Gertz show between 1 to 2.5 million DGUs in the United States each year.[1]:64–65[2][3] Low end estimates cited by Hemenway show approximately 55,000-80,000 such uses each year.[4][5] Middle estimates have estimated approximately 1 million DGU incidents in the United States

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Using the "F" word doesn't enhance your argument. Wicki only gives generic information Look up the CDC stats commissioned by Barry Hussein.

I wasn't trying to enhance my argument, I was showing an appropriate level of respect to the PMH sock. Also if you actually read the wiki article they say where the numbers came from and gave high, mid and low ends of the estimates, 55,000 being the lowest and 2.5 million being the highest.

Try again, NRA shill

According to the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, there are only 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them done by cops

Google CDC gun defense statistics.I was off by about 2 million. The CDC estimates that the use of firearms by Americans for defense might go as high as 3 million per year.

That's a godamn lie

The actual research.....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[M14 Shooter]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all
There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year

Thank you for further illustrating that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[tinydancer]

The reason I didn't have to shoot two men is that they heard the over and under on the Marlin going up.

Anyone who knows guns knows this sound.

Guns save lives. More beads are drawn and prevent violence from escalating.

More arguments are ended swiftly and without a brawl because a gun comes out. And someone goes...

not on my watch.

Well that's the south. Chicago not so much.

 

[tinydancer]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all
There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year

Thank you for further illustrating that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Odd don't you think this argument that 500 non dead because of gun defense isn't worthy?

The party of "one life matters" represented by 500 lives saved aren't enough?

Strange. But then they really are fucked up after all.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I am very, very skeptical of your 500-cases-per-year stat. I don't believe it, and I know I've seen other research that gives a much higher number. Plus, one must include the many times when a would-be robber/attacker is scared off by thinking the intended victim has a gun or seeing the intended victim with a gun.

 

[g5000]

Google CDC gun defense statistics.I was off by about 2 million. The CDC estimates that the use of firearms by Americans for defense might go as high as 3 million per year.

Do you have something against linking to the relevant CDC cite which supports your claim?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Man, slow news day for Paintsniffer. So, a thread predicting the end of all children in Texas due to guns and another stating guns are irrelevant.

Somebody take this whackjob to get his meds.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I am very, very skeptical of your 500-cases-per-year stat. I don't believe it, and I know I've seen other research that gives a much higher number. Plus, one must include the many times when a would-be robber/attacker is scared off by thinking the intended victim has a gun or seeing the intended victim with a gun.

The FBI UCR reports an average of 230 cases of justifiable homicide by a civilian with a firearm, per year, 2009-2013.
FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 15
As the vast majority of defensive gun uses do not involve the discharge of the firearm, the number of justifiable homicides means nothing.

 

[g5000]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls

That link does not work.

 

[g5000]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

This is a bald faced lie. All of the justifiable homicides in your link were by cops.

These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray

You made up those bullet points. I found the table to which you were trying to link.

Guess what? It is a table of justifiable homicide BY POLICE.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with self-defense by civilians.

FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 14

Look at the text in your own link: "justfiable_homicide_by_weapon_law_enforcement"

Dipshit.

 

[g5000]

Try again, NRA shill

According to the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, there are only 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them done by cops

Wrong. Dead wrong.

 

[2aguy]

I am very, very skeptical of your 500-cases-per-year stat. I don't believe it, and I know I've seen other research that gives a much higher number. Plus, one must include the many times when a would-be robber/attacker is scared off by thinking the intended victim has a gun or seeing the intended victim with a gun.

It is a lot more. He just got beat to crap on his other thread and he posts this to irritate the pro 2nd amendment people here......the studies show the number as no less than 760,000 and on average civilians use guns about 2 million times a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives.

 

[2aguy]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

This is a bald faced lie. All of the justifiable homicides in your link were by cops.

These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray

You made up those bullet points. I found the table to which you were trying to link.

Guess what? It is a table of justifiable homicide BY POLICE.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with self-defense by civilians.

FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 14

Look at the text in your own link: "justfiable_homicide_by_weapon_law_enforcement"

Dipshit.

Never, ever trust a gun grabber, the truth and reality do not support what they believe so they will lie and try to use emotion to win the argument....

 

[2aguy]

Google CDC gun defense statistics.I was off by about 2 million. The CDC estimates that the use of firearms by Americans for defense might go as high as 3 million per year.

Do you have something against linking to the relevant CDC cite which supports your claim?

The study was actually commissioned by obama and the CDC spent 10 million dollars looking at all the gun research to date...back in 2013......slate.com had a write up on the findings......

 

[bripat9643]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray


Meanwhile, 30,000 innocent people minding their own business are shot a year with guns. Key Gun Violence Statistics Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence


So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them by police officers or not involving guns at all, justify the ownership of guns for self defense, at the cost of 30,000 innocent lives a year?

Your link is broken. It appears the FBI realized it was posting bullshit.