Why does the NRA shill "defense gun use" when there are only 500 cases of self defense a year...

[Theowl32]

Only 500 cases of self defense a year? Only?

Good God, I fucking hate liberals.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray


Meanwhile, 30,000 innocent people minding their own business are shot a year with guns. Key Gun Violence Statistics Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence


So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them by police officers or not involving guns at all, justify the ownership of guns for self defense, at the cost of 30,000 innocent lives a year?

that 30 000 includes suicides so your conclusions are bogus

and how many times was a gun used in self defense and not fired at anyone?

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe you missed a couple of decimal points. The CDC estimates that firearms are used for self defense from 500,000 to a million times per year in the U.S.

The FBI says that there are only 201 cases of justifiable homicide with civilians using guns.

so the problem with the CDC (which just repeated what other reports said, the CDC is actually legally BANNED from studying gun violence themselves) estimates is that they are vague. They range anywhere from 65,000 DGU's to 3 million DGU's.

So what the gun nuts would have you believe is that there are 65,000 cases a year when gun owners have to pull their guns, but 99.7% of the time, they don't shoot anyone.

Given the way gun nuts salivate over all the people they want to shoot, and well over 99% of the time they don't? Really and truly?

 

[JoeB131]

that 30 000 includes suicides so your conclusions are bogus

and how many times was a gun used in self defense and not fired at anyone?

Given the way you gun nuts talk about how you just can't wait to shoot the darkies, that seems pretty unlikely.

 

[Geaux4it]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray


Meanwhile, 30,000 innocent people minding their own business are shot a year with guns. Key Gun Violence Statistics Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence


So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them by police officers or not involving guns at all, justify the ownership of guns for self defense, at the cost of 30,000 innocent lives a year?

Who cares?

Water is wet.

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Again self defense with a firearm does not equal chalk on the streets.

The best use of a gun is not having to use it

-geaux

 

[JoeB131]

Again self defense with a firearm does not equal chalk on the streets.

The best use of a gun is not having to use it

-geaux

Best use of a gun is for civilians not to have them.

Again, I find it hard to believe that 99.7% of the time, you guys don't shoot. Just listening to the blood lust over mike Brown and Trayvon Martin, I find that hard to buy.

 

[Geaux4it]

Again self defense with a firearm does not equal chalk on the streets.

The best use of a gun is not having to use it

-geaux

Best use of a gun is for civilians not to have them.

Again, I find it hard to believe that 99.7% of the time, you guys don't shoot. Just listening to the blood lust over mike Brown and Trayvon Martin, I find that hard to buy.

Not a good idea at all Joe. Very bad idea

Blood from who? Again, we don't give a shit Joe

Fuck em

Dead is a better result than further innocent victims in the years to come had a courageous act by a citizen and the brave act of an LEO had not been warranted

Good times

Obama should, say, 'If I had a family of boyz' like those two, he would be getting two social security checks a month

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

Not a good idea at all Joe. Very bad idea

Blood from who? Again, we don't give a shit Joe

Fuck em

Dead is a better result than further innocent victims in the years to come had a courageous act by a citizen and the brave act of an LEO had not been warranted

Good times

Obama should, say, 'If I had a family of boyz' like those two, he would be getting two social security checks a month

You see, you prove my point.

You guys just want to shoot the darkies. But most of you don't have the balls.

 

[Geaux4it]

Not a good idea at all Joe. Very bad idea

Blood from who? Again, we don't give a shit Joe

Fuck em

Dead is a better result than further innocent victims in the years to come had a courageous act by a citizen and the brave act of an LEO had not been warranted

Good times

Obama should, say, 'If I had a family of boyz' like those two, he would be getting two social security checks a month

You see, you prove my point.

You guys just want to shoot the darkies. But most of you don't have the balls.

I fail to see how you come to that conclusion from my OP

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, Owl, why do you keep repeating that FALSE quote from LBJ in your sig-line

Sleeping with The Devil Highly Dubious LBJ Quote What It Says About Those Who Eagerly Believe It

 

[JoeB131]

I fail to see how you come to that conclusion from my OP

I fail to see how anyone can conclude anything else reading your posts.

 

[Geaux4it]

I fail to see how you come to that conclusion from my OP

I fail to see how anyone can conclude anything else reading your posts.[/QUOTE

We're talking about you here Joe.

Lay down socialism for just a minute here and focus

Dead thugs are BETTER than emotionally scarred law abiding citizens who have been victims of crime

-Geaux

 

[mudwhistle]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray


Meanwhile, 30,000 innocent people minding their own business are shot a year with guns. Key Gun Violence Statistics Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence


So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them by police officers or not involving guns at all, justify the ownership of guns for self defense, at the cost of 30,000 innocent lives a year?

Speaking of cold-blooded murder.......


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[Correll]

Maybe you missed a couple of decimal points. The CDC estimates that firearms are used for self defense from 500,000 to a million times per year in the U.S.

The FBI says that there are only 201 cases of justifiable homicide with civilians using guns.

so the problem with the CDC (which just repeated what other reports said, the CDC is actually legally BANNED from studying gun violence themselves) estimates is that they are vague. They range anywhere from 65,000 DGU's to 3 million DGU's.

So what the gun nuts would have you believe is that there are 65,000 cases a year when gun owners have to pull their guns, but 99.7% of the time, they don't shoot anyone.

Given the way gun nuts salivate over all the people they want to shoot, and well over 99% of the time they don't? Really and truly?

Two of my buddies, both conservative white gun nuts were approached by groups of young black men during the Rodney King riots and had to pull a gun to defend themselves.

Neither fired.

Your assumption that people who like guns and/or have complaints about crime or black crime want to "shoot darkies" shows nothing but your inability to understand how someone can disagree with you without being a bad person.

It is a sign of your narrow mind and lack of empathy.

 

[Skull Pilot]

that 30 000 includes suicides so your conclusions are bogus

and how many times was a gun used in self defense and not fired at anyone?

Given the way you gun nuts talk about how you just can't wait to shoot the darkies, that seems pretty unlikely.

Please support your assertions that I have ever talked about wanting to shoot "darkies"

You fucking moron.

 

[tinydancer]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray


Meanwhile, 30,000 innocent people minding their own business are shot a year with guns. Key Gun Violence Statistics Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence


So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them by police officers or not involving guns at all, justify the ownership of guns for self defense, at the cost of 30,000 innocent lives a year?

You're a fucking liar.

Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary, depending on the study's population, criteria, time-period studied, and other factors. Higher end estimates by Kleck and Gertz show between 1 to 2.5 million DGUs in the United States each year.[1]:64–65[2][3] Low end estimates cited by Hemenway show approximately 55,000-80,000 such uses each year.[4][5] Middle estimates have estimated approximately 1 million DGU incidents in the United States

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Using the "F" word doesn't enhance your argument. Wicki only gives generic information Look up the CDC stats commissioned by Barry Hussein.

I wasn't trying to enhance my argument, I was showing an appropriate level of respect to the PMH sock. Also if you actually read the wiki article they say where the numbers came from and gave high, mid and low ends of the estimates, 55,000 being the lowest and 2.5 million being the highest.

Try again, NRA shill

According to the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, there are only 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them done by cops

What a loon you are. When I drew a bead on two men who were fixing to take out my husband I sure as hell didn't think to myself....

"gee tinydancer. when this is over I should report this to the FBI"



Who the hell is going to report themselves for pointing a loaded weapon on someone with the full intention of pulling that trigger if you had to?

 

[LOki]

And most of them are by cops, or don;t involve guns at all

There are only about 500 cases of self defense in the United States a year



http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


These 500 self defense cases include:


* Those involving police officers, which makes up the vast majority of cases


* people whose lives were not in danger, but who simply killed somebody trying to take their purse of TV sets


* Cold blooded murders justified under "stand your ground" laws, such as the murders of Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown


*Cases NOT involving guns, but instead where self defense was carried out with a baseball bat or pepper spray


Meanwhile, 30,000 innocent people minding their own business are shot a year with guns. Key Gun Violence Statistics Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence


So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year, most of them by police officers or not involving guns at all, justify the ownership of guns for self defense, at the cost of 30,000 innocent lives a year?

These tables ONLY count justifiable homicides, they exclude ALL OTHER defensive gun uses.

If gun control advocates did not have invalid arguments backed up by faulty data, they'd have no arguments and no data.

 

[The Rabbi]

Not a good idea at all Joe. Very bad idea

Blood from who? Again, we don't give a shit Joe

Fuck em

Dead is a better result than further innocent victims in the years to come had a courageous act by a citizen and the brave act of an LEO had not been warranted

Good times

Obama should, say, 'If I had a family of boyz' like those two, he would be getting two social security checks a month

You see, you prove my point.

You guys just want to shoot the darkies. But most of you don't have the balls.

I fail to see how you come to that conclusion from my OP

-Geaux

Joe usually pulls things out of his ass. His ass must be the size of Nebraska to hold all the crap he pulls out of it and posts here.
Just as an aside, review the case of Martin and Zimmerman. Zimmerman had many opportunities to shoot Martin (and I would have shot him a whole lot earlier) yet he held off until he had absolutely no choice whatsoever. Makes a liar of Joe.

 

[Wildman]

So let me ask you this: how does 500 cases of self defense a year,

"if it saves only one life..."
isn't that something you fucking libs have been saying all these years about banning guns.