All Vehicles Matter, Dumbass. Charging stations will be dispersed geographically just like the traditional petroleum addict’s stations, though they will be safer if you smoke and due to security cams. Your battery will be vended and already charged, likely modular, so that even little old ladies can remove and install one module at a time according to their budget and current mileage needs, lest a robot does it for her.View attachment 514030 Rolling Blackouts Possible Friday As Statewide Flex Alert Issuedbad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
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We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.www.bbc.com
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Wyatt earp
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They have plug ins at specific spotsRemember all that screaming and pearl clutching Republicans did over LED lightbulbs?
whatever happened to all that?
seems like a lot of
it wasnt LEDs you idiot. It was the compact fleurescwnt bulbs with the lead that
bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
So....Philadelphia bought electric buses.....for a million dollars a piece....now all of those buses have been pulled......
A million dollars a bus.....and they pulled them from use.....
The stupidity of the green meanies is endless...
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is one of the deep-blue cities that’s been priding itself in leading the charge against climate change for years now. Back in 2016, they decided to establish a position as an early adopter of electric vehicle technology on a large scale to reduce their carbon footprint. The city purchased 25 electric buses from a company called Protera at a staggering price tag of nearly one million dollars apiece and put them into operation. But barely four years later, every one of the buses had been pulled from service and is deemed unusable. What went so horribly wrong to produce such a result? As the Free Beacon reports this week, just about everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.
The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city’s transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles’ chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city’s concerns.
The city paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant.
Same thing happened in Albuquerque, NM.
The program was called ART, (Albuquerque Rapid Transit), and they bought a bunch of electric buses at a very high price, that never worked.
I know someone who drives a school bus. The daily route covers 91 miles. This is in a cold state, so they would have to do the morning route, plug in the bus, or they woudn't be able to do the rest of the route........especially when the bus is used for other things during the day.....in the cold, that would cut how efficient the battery is.....
The dream of electric cars is likely never going to happen.....some real technology will come along and make battery cars unnecessary.....
Ridgerunner
'Ole Wise One'
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ? " .... We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since...
www.usmessageboard.com
Because silly people will buy anything...
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
Yep, when you only get 250 miles on a good day from an electric fill up, that took 1 hour, sure, the electric car is the way to go. But if you have to go from Florida to Arizona, and it takes you 10 fill ups and it is cold outside and the days are short, you have to fill up a few more times and longer because battteries dont do well in cold weather. And all those coal fired power plants need to be churning out the CO2 for the demand of all that electricity during that time because what happened in Texas can happen any where else.bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
What happened in Texas has never happened in Canada, or any other first world country. No country other than the USA has "rolling brown outs". You're the only first world country in the world with an inadequate power grid.
That's what a lack of government owned infrastructure will do for you. Upgrading equipment reduces profits. Less money for the shareholders. At this point, your lack of infrastructure is reducing investment in your economy.
Wyatt earp
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Yep, when you only get 250 miles on a good day from an electric fill up, that took 1 hour, sure, the electric car is the way to go. But if you have to go from Florida to Arizona, and it takes you 10 fill ups and it is cold outside and the days are short, you have to fill up a few more times and longer because battteries dont do well in cold weather. And all those coal fired power plants need to be churning out the CO2 for the demand of all that electricity during that time because what happened in Texas can happen any where else.bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
What happened in Texas has never happened in Canada, or any other first world country. No country other than the USA has "rolling brown outs". You're the only first world country in the world with an inadequate power grid.
That's what a lack of government owned infrastructure will do for you. Upgrading equipment reduces profits. Less money for the shareholders. At this point, your lack of infrastructure is reducing investment in your economy.
Wyatt earp
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LiarYep, when you only get 250 miles on a good day from an electric fill up, that took 1 hour, sure, the electric car is the way to go. But if you have to go from Florida to Arizona, and it takes you 10 fill ups and it is cold outside and the days are short, you have to fill up a few more times and longer because battteries dont do well in cold weather. And all those coal fired power plants need to be churning out the CO2 for the demand of all that electricity during that time because what happened in Texas can happen any where else.bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
What happened in Texas has never happened in Canada, or any other first world country. No country other than the USA has "rolling brown outs". You're the only first world country in the world with an inadequate power grid.
That's what a lack of government owned infrastructure will do for you. Upgrading equipment reduces profits. Less money for the shareholders. At this point, your lack of infrastructure is reducing investment in your economy.
CANADA'S GEOMAGNETIC STORM // MARCH 13, 1989
On March 13, 1989 the entire province of Quebec, Canada suffered an electrical power blackout lasting 12 hours—and it was all thanks to the sun.Sometimes, the sun emits billion-ton clouds of ionized gas, known as a coronal mass ejection (CME). On March 10, 1989, a CME "about the size of 36 Earths" and equivalent to "the energy of thousands of nuclear bombs exploding at the same time" escaped. On the 12th, the gas cloud crashed against Earth's magnetosphere and caused the Northern Lights to be seen as far south as Texas and Cuba.
Because of this celestial event, six million Quebec residents were thrust into darkness when the province's power grid lost power. Schools and businesses were forced to close during the 12 hour blackout, as well as the Montreal Metro and Dorval Airport.
Ridgerunner
'Ole Wise One'
What happened in Texas has never happened in Canada, or any other first world country. No country other than the USA has "rolling brown outs". You're the only first world country in the world with an inadequate power grid.
hmm...
Power shortages could leave you with blank TVs and computers
The National Grid is warning that it may have to reduce the power supplied to homes to prevent total black-outs and the first 'brown-out' could come within ten days.
Mexico suffers another day of rolling blackouts due to storm
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican authorities announced Tuesday that rolling blackouts hit 12 states covering more than one-third of the country, extending the power cuts from northern Mexico into the central part of the nation as hundreds of factories were forced to shut down.
apnews.com
The future of energy experienced a major shift in 2015
Developing countries outspent developed ones on renewable energies in 2015.
www.businessinsider.com
Maybe this is the problem within our grid... Buying cheap electrical power from our neighbors to the north...
The Canadian grid is integrated into the U.S. grid. This integration allows Canada to be a major electrical supplier to the New England states, New York, California, Upper Mid-West, and Pacific North West states. There are over 35 electric tramssion interconnections between the US and Canadian systems.
Canadian Power Grid & Electrical Infrastructure | Common ...
www.generatorsource.com/Articles/Other-Information/Canadian-Power-Grid-Electri…
Remember all that screaming and pearl clutching Republicans did over LED lightbulbs?
whatever happened to all that?
seems like a lot of
it wasnt LEDs you idiot. It was the compact fleurescwnt bulbs with the lead that
bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
So....Philadelphia bought electric buses.....for a million dollars a piece....now all of those buses have been pulled......
A million dollars a bus.....and they pulled them from use.....
The stupidity of the green meanies is endless...
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is one of the deep-blue cities that’s been priding itself in leading the charge against climate change for years now. Back in 2016, they decided to establish a position as an early adopter of electric vehicle technology on a large scale to reduce their carbon footprint. The city purchased 25 electric buses from a company called Protera at a staggering price tag of nearly one million dollars apiece and put them into operation. But barely four years later, every one of the buses had been pulled from service and is deemed unusable. What went so horribly wrong to produce such a result? As the Free Beacon reports this week, just about everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.
The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city’s transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles’ chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city’s concerns.
The city paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant.
Same thing happened in Albuquerque, NM.
The program was called ART, (Albuquerque Rapid Transit), and they bought a bunch of electric buses at a very high price, that never worked.
I know someone who drives a school bus. The daily route covers 91 miles. This is in a cold state, so they would have to do the morning route, plug in the bus, or they woudn't be able to do the rest of the route........especially when the bus is used for other things during the day.....in the cold, that would cut how efficient the battery is.....
The dream of electric cars is likely never going to happen.....some real technology will come along and make battery cars unnecessary.....
There is an electric bus that does the route between Carson city and Reno. Half the time it dies on the road. I have passed that damned thing so many times with the passengers waiting at the side of the highway it's ridiculous.
Rigby5
Diamond Member
They worked in Seneca south CarolinaRemember all that screaming and pearl clutching Republicans did over LED lightbulbs?
whatever happened to all that?
seems like a lot of
it wasnt LEDs you idiot. It was the compact fleurescwnt bulbs with the lead that
bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
So....Philadelphia bought electric buses.....for a million dollars a piece....now all of those buses have been pulled......
A million dollars a bus.....and they pulled them from use.....
The stupidity of the green meanies is endless...
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is one of the deep-blue cities that’s been priding itself in leading the charge against climate change for years now. Back in 2016, they decided to establish a position as an early adopter of electric vehicle technology on a large scale to reduce their carbon footprint. The city purchased 25 electric buses from a company called Protera at a staggering price tag of nearly one million dollars apiece and put them into operation. But barely four years later, every one of the buses had been pulled from service and is deemed unusable. What went so horribly wrong to produce such a result? As the Free Beacon reports this week, just about everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.
The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city’s transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles’ chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city’s concerns.
The city paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant.
Same thing happened in Albuquerque, NM.
The program was called ART, (Albuquerque Rapid Transit), and they bought a bunch of electric buses at a very high price, that never worked.
It was getting the chargers to work that seem to be the problem in Albuquerque.
{...
The Albuquerque Rapid Transit bus system has been plagued with problems that include electrical charging, wheelchair access on platforms, mirrors hitting canopies and crashes on the bus routes that run along Central Avenue, a major city corridor.
...
When the city of Albuquerque contracted with Chinese bus manufacturer Build Your Dreams (BYD) in 2016 to buy a fleet of 18 electric buses, officials were hopeful it was a big step in creating a “first-of-its-kind” all-electric bus corridor along a busy nine-mile stretch in the city.
The dream turned into a nightmare.
The problems were evident from the moment the first BYD buses arrived in the Duke City in 2017. The vehicles didn’t meet their promised battery charge, which meant they couldn’t manage a full day’s service. There were numerous durability and safety issues, including doors opening unexpectedly, malfunctioning brakes, faulty electric wiring, exposed wires, and overheating batteries.
On top of everything else, the charging system for the batteries was defective, and some buses simply could not be charged. Officials canceled the project within months, and the city ended up suing BYD.
...}
Rigby5
Diamond Member
badger2
I already suggested modular battery containers and all the makers said no.
The batteries are too big, too heavy, too expensive, so short lived, and have too many proprietary cooling conducting connections.
If you allowed exchanges, then eventually the station would end up with all the defective batteries, costing a fortune.
I already suggested modular battery containers and all the makers said no.
The batteries are too big, too heavy, too expensive, so short lived, and have too many proprietary cooling conducting connections.
If you allowed exchanges, then eventually the station would end up with all the defective batteries, costing a fortune.
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
Remember all that screaming and pearl clutching Republicans did over LED lightbulbs?
whatever happened to all that?
seems like a lot of
it wasnt LEDs you idiot. It was the compact fleurescwnt bulbs with the lead that
bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
So....Philadelphia bought electric buses.....for a million dollars a piece....now all of those buses have been pulled......
A million dollars a bus.....and they pulled them from use.....
The stupidity of the green meanies is endless...
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is one of the deep-blue cities that’s been priding itself in leading the charge against climate change for years now. Back in 2016, they decided to establish a position as an early adopter of electric vehicle technology on a large scale to reduce their carbon footprint. The city purchased 25 electric buses from a company called Protera at a staggering price tag of nearly one million dollars apiece and put them into operation. But barely four years later, every one of the buses had been pulled from service and is deemed unusable. What went so horribly wrong to produce such a result? As the Free Beacon reports this week, just about everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.
The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city’s transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles’ chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city’s concerns.
The city paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant.
Same thing happened in Albuquerque, NM.
The program was called ART, (Albuquerque Rapid Transit), and they bought a bunch of electric buses at a very high price, that never worked.
I know someone who drives a school bus. The daily route covers 91 miles. This is in a cold state, so they would have to do the morning route, plug in the bus, or they woudn't be able to do the rest of the route........especially when the bus is used for other things during the day.....in the cold, that would cut how efficient the battery is.....
The dream of electric cars is likely never going to happen.....some real technology will come along and make battery cars unnecessary.....
There is an electric bus that does the route between Carson city and Reno. Half the time it dies on the road. I have passed that damned thing so many times with the passengers waiting at the side of the highway it's ridiculous.
That seems completely unlikely. If it were as frequent an occurence you suggest, ridership would die, and the line would be too problematic to continue. Since the bus has been running for 2 years, and there are no reports of problems, I seriously doubt that there are.
My daughter drives a hybrid electric car and has NEVER run out of power.
Remember all that screaming and pearl clutching Republicans did over LED lightbulbs?
whatever happened to all that?
seems like a lot of
it wasnt LEDs you idiot. It was the compact fleurescwnt bulbs with the lead that
bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
So....Philadelphia bought electric buses.....for a million dollars a piece....now all of those buses have been pulled......
A million dollars a bus.....and they pulled them from use.....
The stupidity of the green meanies is endless...
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is one of the deep-blue cities that’s been priding itself in leading the charge against climate change for years now. Back in 2016, they decided to establish a position as an early adopter of electric vehicle technology on a large scale to reduce their carbon footprint. The city purchased 25 electric buses from a company called Protera at a staggering price tag of nearly one million dollars apiece and put them into operation. But barely four years later, every one of the buses had been pulled from service and is deemed unusable. What went so horribly wrong to produce such a result? As the Free Beacon reports this week, just about everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.
The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city’s transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles’ chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city’s concerns.
The city paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant.
Same thing happened in Albuquerque, NM.
The program was called ART, (Albuquerque Rapid Transit), and they bought a bunch of electric buses at a very high price, that never worked.
I know someone who drives a school bus. The daily route covers 91 miles. This is in a cold state, so they would have to do the morning route, plug in the bus, or they woudn't be able to do the rest of the route........especially when the bus is used for other things during the day.....in the cold, that would cut how efficient the battery is.....
The dream of electric cars is likely never going to happen.....some real technology will come along and make battery cars unnecessary.....
There is an electric bus that does the route between Carson city and Reno. Half the time it dies on the road. I have passed that damned thing so many times with the passengers waiting at the side of the highway it's ridiculous.
That seems completely unlikely. If it were as frequent an occurence you suggest, ridership would die, and the line would be too problematic to continue. Since the bus has been running for 2 years, and there are no reports of problems, I seriously doubt that there are.
My daughter drives a hybrid electric car and has NEVER run out of power.
Oh, it's a fact. The buses aren't hybrids, if they were they would be fine. But no, the city demanded EV's at 900,000 each.
They will never come close to paying for themselves. There was a nurse who worked at one of my doctors offices, and said at least twice a week she was forced to take Uber home.
Rigby5
Diamond Member
{... LA Times
By PAIGE ST. JOHNSTAFF WRITER
MAY 20, 2018 6 AM PT
When Chinese battery maker BYD Ltd. approached Southern California officials in 2008 touting ambitious plans to build electric cars, local politicians jumped at the promise of thousands of jobs and cleaner air.
In the nine years since, agencies have awarded BYD grants, subsidies and public contracts worth more than $330 million for its battery-powered buses, forklifts and trucks. The company is positioned to be a prime supplier of electric buses to the nation’s second-largest system, as Los Angeles’ Metro sets a 12-year deadline to abandon fossil fuels.
But largely unbeknownst to the public, BYD’s electric buses are contending with a record of poor performance and mechanical problems.
A Times investigation found its buses stalled on hills, required service calls much more frequently than older buses and had unpredictable driving ranges below advertised distances, which were impaired by the heat, the cold or the way drivers braked.
...}
www.latimes.com
Stalls, stops and breakdowns: Problems plague push for electric buses
By PAIGE ST. JOHNSTAFF WRITER
MAY 20, 2018 6 AM PT
When Chinese battery maker BYD Ltd. approached Southern California officials in 2008 touting ambitious plans to build electric cars, local politicians jumped at the promise of thousands of jobs and cleaner air.
In the nine years since, agencies have awarded BYD grants, subsidies and public contracts worth more than $330 million for its battery-powered buses, forklifts and trucks. The company is positioned to be a prime supplier of electric buses to the nation’s second-largest system, as Los Angeles’ Metro sets a 12-year deadline to abandon fossil fuels.
But largely unbeknownst to the public, BYD’s electric buses are contending with a record of poor performance and mechanical problems.
A Times investigation found its buses stalled on hills, required service calls much more frequently than older buses and had unpredictable driving ranges below advertised distances, which were impaired by the heat, the cold or the way drivers braked.
...}
Stalls, stops and breakdowns: Problems plague push for electric buses
When Chinese battery maker BYD Ltd. approached Southern California officials in 2008 touting ambitious plans to build electric cars, local politicians jumped at the promise of thousands of jobs and cleaner air.
www.latimes.com
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View attachment 514044Yep, when you only get 250 miles on a good day from an electric fill up, that took 1 hour, sure, the electric car is the way to go. But if you have to go from Florida to Arizona, and it takes you 10 fill ups and it is cold outside and the days are short, you have to fill up a few more times and longer because battteries dont do well in cold weather. And all those coal fired power plants need to be churning out the CO2 for the demand of all that electricity during that time because what happened in Texas can happen any where else.bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
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We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
What happened in Texas has never happened in Canada, or any other first world country. No country other than the USA has "rolling brown outs". You're the only first world country in the world with an inadequate power grid.
That's what a lack of government owned infrastructure will do for you. Upgrading equipment reduces profits. Less money for the shareholders. At this point, your lack of infrastructure is reducing investment in your economy.
Looks like Texas has the size which Germany once had before the USA reduced it to rubble.
Oh by the way. In my own calculations e-cars do not reduce any CO2 emissions in Germany (not so in France or Norway) . Short: To make e-cars costs about 2 time of the emissions of the production of a motor car. And the amount of electric energy will grow in Germany - and this means additional CO2 emissions. The main problem in Germany is to bring solar energy from the summer months into the winter months.
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HenryBHough
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Some people have to learn the hard way.
I encourage them to go electric now and to purchase hair shirts for their families to help keep them warming winter when sitting an hour at a frigid charging point hoping for enough juice to get to grandma's.
Provided the grid hasn't shut town or the local areas browned out or in a rotating blackout because so man who abandoned their fossil fueled home heating for clear electricity.
Do it now when you're young and more physically able to cope.
I encourage them to go electric now and to purchase hair shirts for their families to help keep them warming winter when sitting an hour at a frigid charging point hoping for enough juice to get to grandma's.
Provided the grid hasn't shut town or the local areas browned out or in a rotating blackout because so man who abandoned their fossil fueled home heating for clear electricity.
Do it now when you're young and more physically able to cope.
Yep, when you only get 250 miles on a good day from an electric fill up, that took 1 hour, sure, the electric car is the way to go. But if you have to go from Florida to Arizona, and it takes you 10 fill ups and it is cold outside and the days are short, you have to fill up a few more times and longer because battteries dont do well in cold weather. And all those coal fired power plants need to be churning out the CO2 for the demand of all that electricity during that time because what happened in Texas can happen any where else.bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
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We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
Battery Technology: A New Era Emerging | Energy Industry ...
https://energyindustryreview.com › Analysis
31 Mar 2021 — The inception of the idea about a battery charged-electric vehicle is indeed ... compact, light and far more efficient nickel/metal (NiMH) accumulators. ... A brave new world is upon us, with many pioneers leading the way of developments. ... Northvolt is developing a blueprint for next-generation Lithium-ion ...
Lithium mining is less ecologically friendly than coal mining. Then you still need petroleum to make all the plastics in electric cars.
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Wyatt earp
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Then you have the child labor in cobalt...Yep, when you only get 250 miles on a good day from an electric fill up, that took 1 hour, sure, the electric car is the way to go. But if you have to go from Florida to Arizona, and it takes you 10 fill ups and it is cold outside and the days are short, you have to fill up a few more times and longer because battteries dont do well in cold weather. And all those coal fired power plants need to be churning out the CO2 for the demand of all that electricity during that time because what happened in Texas can happen any where else.bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
Battery Technology: A New Era Emerging | Energy Industry ...
https://energyindustryreview.com › Analysis
31 Mar 2021 — The inception of the idea about a battery charged-electric vehicle is indeed ... compact, light and far more efficient nickel/metal (NiMH) accumulators. ... A brave new world is upon us, with many pioneers leading the way of developments. ... Northvolt is developing a blueprint for next-generation Lithium-ion ...
Lithium mining is less ecologically friendly than coal mining. Then you still need petroleum to make all the plastics in electric cars.
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All those huge auto companies seem to disagree with you. I'm sure your research and development evaluations are much superior to theirs. As soon as they hear you don't think it is a good idea, and see your research, there is no doubt they will change their minds.Yep, when you only get 250 miles on a good day from an electric fill up, that took 1 hour, sure, the electric car is the way to go. But if you have to go from Florida to Arizona, and it takes you 10 fill ups and it is cold outside and the days are short, you have to fill up a few more times and longer because battteries dont do well in cold weather. And all those coal fired power plants need to be churning out the CO2 for the demand of all that electricity during that time because what happened in Texas can happen any where else.bad bad news for all authoritarian gas-stations like KSA, Muscovy, Venezuela , what will happened to them once oil (so no crazy jets full of cash landing on the roof of the Putin´s dacha) becomes what is coal today ?
"
....
We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first production line started turning back in 1913.
And it is likely to happen much more quickly than you imagine.
Many industry observers believe we have already passed the tipping point where sales of electric vehicles (EVs) will very rapidly overwhelm petrol and diesel cars....
Jaguar plans to sell only electric cars from 2025, Volvo from 2030 and last week the British sportscar company Lotus said it would follow suit, selling only electric models from 2028.
General Motors says it will make only electric vehicles by 2035, Ford says all vehicles sold in Europe will be electric by 2030 and VW says 70% of its sales will be electric by 2030."
Why electric cars will take over sooner than you think
The BBC's Justin Rowlatt explains why we are accelerating towards an electric car future.
New study explains why nearly 20 percent of electric car owners return to gas
Some EV owners are not satisfied.
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bripat9643
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The batteries in Teslas are guaranteed for 300,000 miles.They dont. Or at least not as much as ICEs. Taking into account the lifespan of the average car, while EVs start out at a deficit they make up for the materials used in batteries. Ive already posted a link to this.Yeah, what can 1 then then 3 degrees difference in temperature make? Certaunly not drought and severe weather patterns or iceless poles. Nothing to worry about. Im sure west of the Mississippi they will find water somewhere.
Except that EVs speed up global warming.
Batteries are lithium and that is very dirty and expensive to mine.
Not to mention heavy and hard to recharge.
EV batteries last less than 10 years and cost close to $10,000.
EVs have nothing on ICE.
There are ICE engines getting 70 mpg, and you can run ICE on bio fuel that removes more carbon from the air than it creates.
Wyatt earp
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Woa need a linkThe batteries in Teslas are guaranteed for 300,000 miles.They dont. Or at least not as much as ICEs. Taking into account the lifespan of the average car, while EVs start out at a deficit they make up for the materials used in batteries. Ive already posted a link to this.Yeah, what can 1 then then 3 degrees difference in temperature make? Certaunly not drought and severe weather patterns or iceless poles. Nothing to worry about. Im sure west of the Mississippi they will find water somewhere.
Except that EVs speed up global warming.
Batteries are lithium and that is very dirty and expensive to mine.
Not to mention heavy and hard to recharge.
EV batteries last less than 10 years and cost close to $10,000.
EVs have nothing on ICE.
There are ICE engines getting 70 mpg, and you can run ICE on bio fuel that removes more carbon from the air than it creates.
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