CDZ Why I support Universal healthcare, and why I don't.

[debbiedowner]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Medicare is God awful.
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill

What was Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies that prevented him from receiving meds for pain?

Cheapness. We went through it with my mom. Is it worse when the person is put into hospice? It shouldn’t be. If you have to give up Medicare to get hospice, that shouldn’t be a downgrade it should be an upgrade. And give them enough morphine that it will kill them. Stop the needless suffering

Most of the time a person who is admitted to hospice you have to give up all other meds except for pain relief. His post wasn't clear he mentioned ER and hospice. So ER denied relief or hospice? IV morphine is not that expensive but then again Medicare approved cost is much lower than what a hospital or hospice would charge. Was it a hospice facility or hospice in home?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Medicare is God awful.
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill

It's very popular. It's not perfect.

WTF does that mean "it is popular"??? Uh... it is the only choice. You realize that right?

 

[Mac1958]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Medicare is God awful.
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill

It's very popular. It's not perfect.

WTF does that mean "it is popular"??? Uh... it is the only choice. You realize that right?

You don't have to like it.

 

[debbiedowner]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Medicare is God awful.
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill

If you ran a business and had to pay $100,000 Give or take $20,000, youd look for ways to save money.

Hospice used to not be so cheap with the morphine. I agree this needs to change.

It is not Hospice care that is the problem, when you are under Home hospice care,,, they are actually extremely helpful, caring and also extremely responsive and bring you what you need right away.... like now. And it is all paid for. Everything.
The problem is you cannot be under Hospice care and receive any other care if that care is defined as life sustaining. But the problem is, as you are dying many times in order to get relief from a symptom you need to get a treatment that happens to also be a life sustaining treatment.
For instance, my father loss the ability to swallow properly, it was difficult for him to drink proper amounts of liquid. So he would get dehydrated. Which brings upon a series of problems when you are seriously ill. Hospice will not cover going into the hospital. Only a nursing home. But he didn't need to go to a nursing home, what he needed was to to a hospital and get IV's and electrolytes/intravenous vitamins to get back to being able to be comfortable. Hospice will not pay for that, and neither will medicare if you are under hospice. So you end up constantly signing on and off, on and off of hospice. Which is a bureaucratic nightmare... back and forth...back and forth. My mother would sit there and cry, seeing her husband suffer while it would take hours to get through the paperwork and people necessary to sign off.
And the ONLY reason it is this way is to save money. And our government designed it that way.

Oh, I see now. When my mother years ago was dying of cancer and had in home hospice they did bring IV's of morphine, but over the years probably have changed their guidelines. This was back in 87.

 

[sealybobo]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Medicare is God awful.
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill

If you ran a business and had to pay $100,000 Give or take $20,000, youd look for ways to save money.

Hospice used to not be so cheap with the morphine. I agree this needs to change.

It is not Hospice care that is the problem, when you are under Home hospice care,,, they are actually extremely helpful, caring and also extremely responsive and bring you what you need right away.... like now. And it is all paid for. Everything.
The problem is you cannot be under Hospice care and receive any other care if that care is defined as life sustaining. But the problem is, as you are dying many times in order to get relief from a symptom you need to get a treatment that happens to also be a life sustaining treatment.
For instance, my father loss the ability to swallow properly, it was difficult for him to drink proper amounts of liquid. So he would get dehydrated. Which brings upon a series of problems when you are seriously ill. Hospice will not cover going into the hospital. Only a nursing home. But he didn't need to go to a nursing home, what he needed was to to a hospital and get IV's and electrolytes/intravenous vitamins to get back to being able to be comfortable. Hospice will not pay for that, and neither will medicare if you are under hospice. So you end up constantly signing on and off, on and off of hospice. Which is a bureaucratic nightmare... back and forth...back and forth. My mother would sit there and cry, seeing her husband suffer while it would take hours to get through the paperwork and people necessary to sign off.
And the ONLY reason it is this way is to save money. And our government designed it that way.

They told us my mom would have died a lot sooner if we didn’t keep feeding her like we did. We basically made everything like baby food. A lot of people just stop feeding them when they stop eating real Hole foods but my dad chopped it up. The right thing to do is stop feeding her because although she was alive, that was no life. Alzheimers. Poor woman. So cute. I miss her.

 

[Flash]

My wife and I spend about 5-6% of our income on health care. That is not much of a burden.

The reason why health care is so expensive for a lot of people is because of all the government regulations and control and the refusal of the filthy government to allow free market competetion plus sapping money out of it for welfare.

A few years ago my wife had a fracture in her arm and we took her to the emergency room. She spent a couple of hours waiting to be seen and she was given aspirin, a sling and told to go see an orthopedic specialist. Our insurance company was billed over $6,000.

We were way over charged for the services rendered because we were paying for the filthy ass welfare queens and illegals that didn't pay.

Our insurance premiums reflect that welfare component and it is despicable.

How about I pay my health care bills and you pay yours and the goddamn government stay out of trying to control our lives?

 

[Likkmee]

I run a small company with 8 employees. I make enough money to support Bonzi and I comfortably. I haven't worried about paying bills for decades. If I/we want something enough, we buy it. Our retirement is secure because I made it that way. Bonzi doesn't need to work for financial reasons... she only needs to work so we have healthcare insurance. For 2 people in their 50s... decent healthcare insurance is astronomical. Thank you Obamacare for raising insurance costs to the moon for those needing ACTUAL insurance and not just a plastic card that pretends to be insurance so you can donate money to the government.

ACTUAL health insurance that doesn't have ENORMOUS out-of-pocket costs, so high in fact... it is highly unlikely you will ever get a single penny of benefits.
REAL insurance with REAL coverage would cost us about $1600 a month. (I define REAL as one with less than $2000 deductible, otherwise you have something pretending to be healthcare coverage, when in reality it is catastrophic care only - another gift from Obamacare)
Through Bonzi's job it costs us a little over $500/mo. for the premium care that has a deductible of $2500.

So for those reasons I wish we had Universal Care... so we could have coverage without having to have a full time job to get it. Especially when we get to age 60 or so... at that point we have enough liquid assets to quit full time jobs and work when we want. But cannot do so, because health insurance is prohibitively expensive.


Why I DON'T SUPPORT UHC.... because it is the federal government.
And the American federal government is wholly corrupt, inept, wasteful and the needs of the population are a very-very distant 2nd to special interest, globalism and corporatism. As we saw with Obamacare... the government, even when liberals are the ones that did it, gave more thought to protecting Pharma, insurance conglomerates and the $40 Billion medical device industry so so so much more than what people needed.
I simply do not believe the American corrupt system can do the job without fucking us over and over while gifting corporations and special interest.

Sometimes I really do think about becoming an ex-Pat.

I became an ex PatRIOT years ago. The US govt is a piece of shit.Mafia...Nada mas

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Can't even take care of our own vets under what would be considered a universal health care plan and then expect to take care of a whole nation.

The height of folly!

*****SMILE*****

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Medicare is God awful.
When my father passed away with brain cancer 3 years ago this month.... I truly got a glimpse at just how bad medicare is.
At one point, and more than once... he was lying in the emergency room in extreme pain but not getting medication because of Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies between Medicare and Hospice care. It is a fucking, vile evil set up.
I hope you and yours do not have to experience it.
And then after my father passed away, it left his wife... my mother... buried in red tape that you need a lawyer to figure out.
It is impersonal, uncaring and without care about what people are going through.
It shouldn't be called Medicare... it should be called Medifuckyou if you get terminally ill

What was Medicare's archaic and unmerciful policies that prevented him from receiving meds for pain?

Cheapness. We went through it with my mom. Is it worse when the person is put into hospice? It shouldn’t be. If you have to give up Medicare to get hospice, that shouldn’t be a downgrade it should be an upgrade. And give them enough morphine that it will kill them. Stop the needless suffering

Most of the time a person who is admitted to hospice you have to give up all other meds except for pain relief. His post wasn't clear he mentioned ER and hospice. So ER denied relief or hospice? IV morphine is not that expensive but then again Medicare approved cost is much lower than what a hospital or hospice would charge. Was it a hospice facility or hospice in home?

Hospice in home.
You are correct, when you sign on to receive hospice care, which is wonderful, you are prohibited to receive any sort of life sustaining care. Which on the surface sounds okay. But in many cases, "comfort care" and sustaining care cross paths. Like I said, he would get dehydrated which can and does cause all manner of painful and uncomfortable symptoms. It is absurd that they won't even allow simple IV meds, that are not expensive and work very quickly.
He got sick in late October, and died in January. But got bad-bad in December.
My father died eventually of starvation. Which is what kills a great many people in hospice care. Dad lost the ability to swallow, but was still fairly conscious and aware. I want everyone to think about that. He knew what was going on. He knew he was wasting away. He knew he was going to die, not from the illness, but from the inability to simply receive intravenous vitamins/glucose etc. so he could at least die peacefully.
So we had to choose to kill him.
The day before we put him in the nursing home, he was sitting up and interacting with us. He could sort of speak, not because of mental decline, but because of his brain tumor. He was aware, smiled at us...and could kind of laugh at something funny....to what physical capacity he could still laugh. HE WAS CONCIOUS.
But he could not stay in the hospital. Because medicare won't pay for it.
So we sent him to a nursing home. They basically gave him enough morphine to shut everything down. He never regained consciousness and died in just over 24 hours. Where 24 hours before he was a living, conscious human being. Aware and interacting with his family. But medicare will not pay fot that. But they will gladly pay for the morphine to kill you.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

BTW - what I just described is not an American problem. It is actually worse in many countries.
The old adage, you can judge a society on how they treat the very young and the very old.
We fail the test every single day. As does virtually the entire world.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I run a small company with 8 employees. I make enough money to support Bonzi and I comfortably. I haven't worried about paying bills for decades. If I/we want something enough, we buy it. Our retirement is secure because I made it that way. Bonzi doesn't need to work for financial reasons... she only needs to work so we have healthcare insurance. For 2 people in their 50s... decent healthcare insurance is astronomical. Thank you Obamacare for raising insurance costs to the moon for those needing ACTUAL insurance and not just a plastic card that pretends to be insurance so you can donate money to the government.

ACTUAL health insurance that doesn't have ENORMOUS out-of-pocket costs, so high in fact... it is highly unlikely you will ever get a single penny of benefits.
REAL insurance with REAL coverage would cost us about $1600 a month. (I define REAL as one with less than $2000 deductible, otherwise you have something pretending to be healthcare coverage, when in reality it is catastrophic care only - another gift from Obamacare)
Through Bonzi's job it costs us a little over $500/mo. for the premium care that has a deductible of $2500.

So for those reasons I wish we had Universal Care... so we could have coverage without having to have a full time job to get it. Especially when we get to age 60 or so... at that point we have enough liquid assets to quit full time jobs and work when we want. But cannot do so, because health insurance is prohibitively expensive.


Why I DON'T SUPPORT UHC.... because it is the federal government.
And the American federal government is wholly corrupt, inept, wasteful and the needs of the population are a very-very distant 2nd to special interest, globalism and corporatism. As we saw with Obamacare... the government, even when liberals are the ones that did it, gave more thought to protecting Pharma, insurance conglomerates and the $40 Billion medical device industry so so so much more than what people needed.
I simply do not believe the American corrupt system can do the job without fucking us over and over while gifting corporations and special interest.

Sometimes I really do think about becoming an ex-Pat.

What if someone, who is 18 and doesnt want health insurance, be forced to buy something they "fee" they dont want? Yes, auto insurance is mandated because of the risk of driving a car, but some people who are very healthy dont wish to pay for insurance. Of course actions like this, can have repercussions because if you dont buy the health insurance, you should have to pay out of pocket for any services if you get injured. But alas, the stupid progs, dont see this, but must cover all even if it bankrupts this country.

When the US starts looking like Venezuela, you can be the progs will be out their fire bombing the government....

 

[JoeB131]

Why I DON'T SUPPORT UHC.... because it is the federal government.
And the American federal government is wholly corrupt, inept, wasteful and the needs of the population are a very-very distant 2nd to special interest, globalism and corporatism. As we saw with Obamacare... the government, even when liberals are the ones that did it, gave more thought to protecting Pharma, insurance conglomerates and the $40 Billion medical device industry so so so much more than what people needed.
I simply do not believe the American corrupt system can do the job without fucking us over and over while gifting corporations and special interest.

Hey, did your mail get delivered?
How about the federal highways, they still there?
The military, they kept anyone from invading us.

You complain about the special interests, but those special interests are your fellow Americans.

The medical device industry includes 6500 companies, most of which employ less than 50 people. I worked for one such company in the late 1990's. No one was getting filthy rich off the deal. When the doctor who started the company died, his family sold it to the managers of the company.

The thing with ObamaCare is that it was Romney Care with a fresh coat of paint, and conservatives were just fine with RomneyCare until the Black Guy made it national policy.

The things that could have made O-care less awful would have been a public option and a Medicare buy in, but those were both shot down by conservative democrats in the Senate along with Republicans, and Obama's unwillingness to employ the Nuclear Option.

 

[Moonglow]

I run a small company with 8 employees. I make enough money to support Bonzi and I comfortably. I haven't worried about paying bills for decades. If I/we want something enough, we buy it. Our retirement is secure because I made it that way. Bonzi doesn't need to work for financial reasons... she only needs to work so we have healthcare insurance. For 2 people in their 50s... decent healthcare insurance is astronomical. Thank you Obamacare for raising insurance costs to the moon for those needing ACTUAL insurance and not just a plastic card that pretends to be insurance so you can donate money to the government.

ACTUAL health insurance that doesn't have ENORMOUS out-of-pocket costs, so high in fact... it is highly unlikely you will ever get a single penny of benefits.
REAL insurance with REAL coverage would cost us about $1600 a month. (I define REAL as one with less than $2000 deductible, otherwise you have something pretending to be healthcare coverage, when in reality it is catastrophic care only - another gift from Obamacare)
Through Bonzi's job it costs us a little over $500/mo. for the premium care that has a deductible of $2500.

So for those reasons I wish we had Universal Care... so we could have coverage without having to have a full time job to get it. Especially when we get to age 60 or so... at that point we have enough liquid assets to quit full time jobs and work when we want. But cannot do so, because health insurance is prohibitively expensive.


Why I DON'T SUPPORT UHC.... because it is the federal government.
And the American federal government is wholly corrupt, inept, wasteful and the needs of the population are a very-very distant 2nd to special interest, globalism and corporatism. As we saw with Obamacare... the government, even when liberals are the ones that did it, gave more thought to protecting Pharma, insurance conglomerates and the $40 Billion medical device industry so so so much more than what people needed.
I simply do not believe the American corrupt system can do the job without fucking us over and over while gifting corporations and special interest.

Sometimes I really do think about becoming an ex-Pat.

I use the VA and find it just a good of a healthcare system as any private practitioner.

 

[Moonglow]

I run a small company with 8 employees. I make enough money to support Bonzi and I comfortably. I haven't worried about paying bills for decades. If I/we want something enough, we buy it. Our retirement is secure because I made it that way. Bonzi doesn't need to work for financial reasons... she only needs to work so we have healthcare insurance. For 2 people in their 50s... decent healthcare insurance is astronomical. Thank you Obamacare for raising insurance costs to the moon for those needing ACTUAL insurance and not just a plastic card that pretends to be insurance so you can donate money to the government.

ACTUAL health insurance that doesn't have ENORMOUS out-of-pocket costs, so high in fact... it is highly unlikely you will ever get a single penny of benefits.
REAL insurance with REAL coverage would cost us about $1600 a month. (I define REAL as one with less than $2000 deductible, otherwise you have something pretending to be healthcare coverage, when in reality it is catastrophic care only - another gift from Obamacare)
Through Bonzi's job it costs us a little over $500/mo. for the premium care that has a deductible of $2500.

So for those reasons I wish we had Universal Care... so we could have coverage without having to have a full time job to get it. Especially when we get to age 60 or so... at that point we have enough liquid assets to quit full time jobs and work when we want. But cannot do so, because health insurance is prohibitively expensive.


Why I DON'T SUPPORT UHC.... because it is the federal government.
And the American federal government is wholly corrupt, inept, wasteful and the needs of the population are a very-very distant 2nd to special interest, globalism and corporatism. As we saw with Obamacare... the government, even when liberals are the ones that did it, gave more thought to protecting Pharma, insurance conglomerates and the $40 Billion medical device industry so so so much more than what people needed.
I simply do not believe the American corrupt system can do the job without fucking us over and over while gifting corporations and special interest.

Sometimes I really do think about becoming an ex-Pat.

What if someone, who is 18 and doesnt want health insurance, be forced to buy something they "fee" they dont want? Yes, auto insurance is mandated because of the risk of driving a car, but some people who are very healthy dont wish to pay for insurance. Of course actions like this, can have repercussions because if you dont buy the health insurance, you should have to pay out of pocket for any services if you get injured. But alas, the stupid progs, dont see this, but must cover all even if it bankrupts this country.

When the US starts looking like Venezuela, you can be the progs will be out their fire bombing the government....

I hope their days are numbered there...

 

[task0778]

BTW - what I just described is not an American problem. It is actually worse in many countries.
The old adage, you can judge a society on how they treat the very young and the very old.
We fail the test every single day. As does virtually the entire world.

Do you think that has changed much since the dawn of humanity? Consider: in the past couple of hundred years, we have considerably increased lifespans and decreased considerably the mortality rate for the young, true? Medical care has advanced one hell of a lot, and it has done so primarily in the United States in terms of innovation. Look how fast we have developed vaccines for the Coronavirus; amazing stuff.

The problem is that now we want it all. Free, quality health care for all whether you have bothered to take precautions to preserve your own health or not. No responsibility, let the gov't take care of me even if I do harmful drugs, drink like a fish, smoke like a chimney, eat what I want and as much as I want, and sit on my ass and do nothing. No worries, somebody else can pay for it, even if it is our children and those who follow us. Quite a legacy to leave them, no?

 

[Erinwltr]

catastrophic care only

Whats wrong with that?

you pay for the little stuff while insurance protects you from losing all you assets from a serious illness

Great if you have no health conditions. But what if you do? ..... sucks to be you.
I have two conditions that require approx. $15,000/yr in costs. I do NOT want to have to pay $7500 a year or more, and shouldn't have to.
Our nation has the wealth to prevent people from having to do that.

Interesting. So does my brother. Once the Covid coverage is lifted for Medicaid insurance, he will be in the same boat as you. About 7K a year for health insurance.

Who pays?

 

[Erinwltr]

My wife and I spend about 5-6% of our income on health care. That is not much of a burden.

The reason why health care is so expensive for a lot of people is because of all the government regulations and control and the refusal of the filthy government to allow free market competetion plus sapping money out of it for welfare.

A few years ago my wife had a fracture in her arm and we took her to the emergency room. She spent a couple of hours waiting to be seen and she was given aspirin, a sling and told to go see an orthopedic specialist. Our insurance company was billed over $6,000.

We were way over charged for the services rendered because we were paying for the filthy ass welfare queens and illegals that didn't pay.

Our insurance premiums reflect that welfare component and it is despicable.

How about I pay my health care bills and you pay yours and the goddamn government stay out of trying to control our lives?

"we were paying for the filthy ass welfare queens and illegals that didn't pay."

Okay Trumpy. Prove that.

 

[Pete7469]

We already have UHC, and we've had it for decades.

That's not to say that if you're homeless and crawl into a hospital with stage 4 pancreatic cancer that they're going to even try and keep you alive, but if you go into an ER in any major city on any given night you will be amazed at how many homeless people are laid up on gurneys in the hallways sleeping off over doses. You will see illegal aliens' with the sniffles, wounds from gang violence, and miscarriages. No one in this country is denied HC.

Period.

Now that's not to say that if you're broke, you're going to have the top of the line treatment regardless of your affliction. Show me ONE..

JUST FUCKING ONE shit hole euroweenie commie country that cures terminal illness for all of it's proles. For fuck's sake you can't even get simple operations in these shit holes unless you're rich and well connected. Sometimes you're lucky if you can get a cast on a broken bone in a reasonable amount of time. UHC is a fool's errand. There will NEVER BE a system where everyone gets equal access to the state of the art top tier treatment, and if you turn the industry over to government, you can forget about innovation and upgrades to the system.


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[Mac-7]

NOT want to have to pay $7500 a year or more, and shouldn't have to.

Why not?

if your health is not worth $15,000 a year to you why should it be worth that much to the taxpayers?

 

[Flash]

My wife and I spend about 5-6% of our income on health care. That is not much of a burden.

The reason why health care is so expensive for a lot of people is because of all the government regulations and control and the refusal of the filthy government to allow free market competetion plus sapping money out of it for welfare.

A few years ago my wife had a fracture in her arm and we took her to the emergency room. She spent a couple of hours waiting to be seen and she was given aspirin, a sling and told to go see an orthopedic specialist. Our insurance company was billed over $6,000.

We were way over charged for the services rendered because we were paying for the filthy ass welfare queens and illegals that didn't pay.

Our insurance premiums reflect that welfare component and it is despicable.

How about I pay my health care bills and you pay yours and the goddamn government stay out of trying to control our lives?

"we were paying for the filthy ass welfare queens and illegals that didn't pay."

Okay Trumpy. Prove that.

You are really that stupid, aren't you? Typical uneducated Moon Bat.

Hospital emergency rooms are prevented by law from refusing to treat anyone because of the inability to pay. That is why the goddamn Illegals and other worthless shitheads use is as their primary care and the paying customers foot the bill. Despicable, isn't it?

$5,000 for a sling, aspirin and referral to a specialist. Even a low IQ idiot like you should know that is way overboard.

We were paying for the filthy ass welfare queens that didn't pay that day.