Why judge anyone? Why can't beliefs about transgender identity be respected equally?

[GWV5903]

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

There are no fucking facts that show that a man can really be a woman.

Why do you hate science?

Science, if you have XX chromosomes, you are a boy, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.


/thread

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends on their chromosomes

So, when a person with tits, and a vagina wants to use the ladies room, how would you suggest enforcing the NC law that demands that a person must use the bathroom of the "gender of their birth"?

Neither of us have supported that law you fucking idiot.

Now back to my question, why do you avoid it?

Trans species, or mentally ill?

Both...

 

[Czernobog]

There is no fucking difference.

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

I think he means it is no different in the sense they both have mental issues. I man can identify as woman or a tree for that matter, they are nor woman nor a tree.

And yes, we understand the difference between cross dressers and transgender. Point is, they both have mental issues.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

You notice neither he nor Jake want any part of that. Why ? Because they of course know that that guy is mentally ill to think he's a cat.

I assume you have a story, with quotes, from the guy in your picture, where he is claiming to bed a cat? If not, then the guy is neither. He's just someone with really cool makeup.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

well, im out of here for the weekend. later mentally ill liberals who hate science.

 

[Czernobog]

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

There are no fucking facts that show that a man can really be a woman.

Why do you hate science?

Science, if you have XX chromosomes, you are a boy, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.


/thread

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends.. it's a chromosomal thingy Einstein.

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

I think he means it is no different in the sense they both have mental issues. I man can identify as woman or a tree for that matter, they are nor woman nor a tree.

And yes, we understand the difference between cross dressers and transgender. Point is, they both have mental issues.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

Feline Furry. it's a thing. Look it up. Furries don't believe they are the animals they resemble. They believe they embody the qualities of the animals they represent.

See how cool it is to learn shit?

No , that guy believed he was a cat.

Nice try though

See this is what happens when you defend weak positions. You get your ass kicked in.

Please include the story where the person you are picturing claimed that.

Otherwise, please quit lying out of your ass.

 

[Czernobog]

well, im out of here for the weekend. later mentally ill liberals who hate science.

Yeah. That's what I thought. Expected to support your bullshit, you decide it's time to be somewhere else.

Come on back when you want to continue getting your bitch ass handed to you.

 

[Fueri]

That judgement goes both ways.

I don't care what adults do. Wanna chop your junk off? Fine. Doesn't bother me one bit.

When the 'activists' start working on the kids, however, is where I say 'enough'. When that kid is 18 and an actual adult then they can make those decisions. Until then leave them alone.

But that's not enough for some people. Anything that doesn't smell like 100% agreement with a given position for some groups and the judgment is immediately thrown and that position is labeled 'hate' or 'bigoted' in the typical attempt to shut people up. The kicker is that position is a constant sliding line. They get this, then they want the next thing. Anyone doesn't like that is labeled again. Lather, rinse, repeat until we're into full on cuckoo town.

I've had enough of it. Leave the children out of this lunacy. Want to label me for that, go right the fuck ahead....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

There is no fucking difference.

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

There are no fucking facts that show that a man can really be a woman.

Why do you hate science?

Science, if you have XX chromosomes, you are a boy, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.


/thread

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends.. it's a chromosomal thingy Einstein.

There is no fucking difference.

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

I think he means it is no different in the sense they both have mental issues. I man can identify as woman or a tree for that matter, they are nor woman nor a tree.

And yes, we understand the difference between cross dressers and transgender. Point is, they both have mental issues.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

Feline Furry. it's a thing. Look it up. Furries don't believe they are the animals they resemble. They believe they embody the qualities of the animals they represent.

See how cool it is to learn shit?

Yeah, and they alter their bodies to look like that. Seriously twisted shit.. just like chopping your dick off.

 

[Czernobog]

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

There are no fucking facts that show that a man can really be a woman.

Why do you hate science?

Science, if you have XX chromosomes, you are a boy, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.


/thread

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends.. it's a chromosomal thingy Einstein.

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

I think he means it is no different in the sense they both have mental issues. I man can identify as woman or a tree for that matter, they are nor woman nor a tree.

And yes, we understand the difference between cross dressers and transgender. Point is, they both have mental issues.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

Feline Furry. it's a thing. Look it up. Furries don't believe they are the animals they resemble. They believe they embody the qualities of the animals they represent.

See how cool it is to learn shit?

Yeah, and they alter their bodies to look like that. Seriously twisted shit.. just like chopping your dick off.

In your opinion, but they certainly aren't what you, and "Fucked & Unbalanced" are claiming they are. They don't claim to be anything other than human.

 

[Siete]

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

There are no fucking facts that show that a man can really be a woman.

Why do you hate science?

Science, if you have XX chromosomes, you are a boy, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.


/thread

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends.. it's a chromosomal thingy Einstein.

That has been Jake Starkey's point. You honestly believe there is no difference. Why don't you go get yourself educated a little bit, and then come on back, when you are capable of intelligent input into the conversation.

Although why I bothered including a helpful website link, I have no idea. Obviously you believe what you believe, and do not want to be bothered by a little thing like facts...

I think he means it is no different in the sense they both have mental issues. I man can identify as woman or a tree for that matter, they are nor woman nor a tree.

And yes, we understand the difference between cross dressers and transgender. Point is, they both have mental issues.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

Feline Furry. it's a thing. Look it up. Furries don't believe they are the animals they resemble. They believe they embody the qualities of the animals they represent.

See how cool it is to learn shit?

Yeah, and they alter their bodies to look like that. Seriously twisted shit.. just like chopping your dick off.

men who have sex changes want who?

ittle girls and women they cant fuck because they're missing a dick ?

they want big strong dumbass men like you soggy.

 

[easyt65]

People can be respected, but it has to be mutual. DUDES need to respect REAL women and their right yo safety / privacy and stay out of their bathroom.

 

[easyt65]

There are no fucking facts that show that a man can really be a woman.

Why do you hate science?

Science, if you have XX chromosomes, you are a boy, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.


/thread

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends.. it's a chromosomal thingy Einstein.

I think he means it is no different in the sense they both have mental issues. I man can identify as woman or a tree for that matter, they are nor woman nor a tree.

And yes, we understand the difference between cross dressers and transgender. Point is, they both have mental issues.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

Feline Furry. it's a thing. Look it up. Furries don't believe they are the animals they resemble. They believe they embody the qualities of the animals they represent.

See how cool it is to learn shit?

Yeah, and they alter their bodies to look like that. Seriously twisted shit.. just like chopping your dick off.

In your opinion, but they certainly aren't what you, and "Fucked & Unbalanced" are claiming they are. They don't claim to be anything other than human.

No, men are claiming to be women.

 

[Siete]

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends.. it's a chromosomal thingy Einstein.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

Feline Furry. it's a thing. Look it up. Furries don't believe they are the animals they resemble. They believe they embody the qualities of the animals they represent.

See how cool it is to learn shit?

Yeah, and they alter their bodies to look like that. Seriously twisted shit.. just like chopping your dick off.

In your opinion, but they certainly aren't what you, and "Fucked & Unbalanced" are claiming they are. They don't claim to be anything other than human.

No, men are claiming to be women.

to attract men, not women.

 

[Czernobog]

So, if a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

Depends.. it's a chromosomal thingy Einstein.

Same to you. If a person has tits, and a vagina, they are a...?

If a person has cat like teeth, facial looks and ears, he is a ........????

Feline Furry. it's a thing. Look it up. Furries don't believe they are the animals they resemble. They believe they embody the qualities of the animals they represent.

See how cool it is to learn shit?

Yeah, and they alter their bodies to look like that. Seriously twisted shit.. just like chopping your dick off.

In your opinion, but they certainly aren't what you, and "Fucked & Unbalanced" are claiming they are. They don't claim to be anything other than human.

No, men are claiming to be women.

No, they're not. Women are claiming to be women. Just because they happened to be genetically male at birth, does not change the fact that if she has tits, and a vagina, she is a fucking woman!!!

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[JakeStarkey]

I wrote, "Sorry, that's not how our democratic republic works." If you are setting a false standard for yourself, go ahead.

What you are admitting is that you don't like them. Who cares what you feelz about it?

You are the one who is mentally ill.

IOW you can't back up your claim that I wanted any part of any law against these people.. Got it.

And yes, how mentally ill a person must be for believing they have a right not to have THEIR rights violated by other people.

Meanwhile the guy who grows his hair out , tucks his penis in, puts on a dress and heels and calls himself a girl is sane.

LOL OMG you can't make this shit up, you really can't.

Yup. Any man that thinks he is a girl is off his rocker... as much so as a man who thinks he is a tree.

You cn think as you wish you two, but your feelz is your issue, no one else.

Best practices for you: stay away.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I wrote, "Sorry, that's not how our democratic republic works." If you are setting a false standard for yourself, go ahead.

What you are admitting is that you don't like them. Who cares what you feelz about it?

You are the one who is mentally ill.

IOW you can't back up your claim that I wanted any part of any law against these people.. Got it. And yes, how mentally ill a person must be for believing they have a right not to have THEIR rights violated by other people. Meanwhile the guy who grows his hair out , tucks his penis in, puts on a dress and heels and calls himself a girl is sane. LOL OMG you can't make this shit up, you really can't.

You admit that you were wrong about what I was saying. You don't like trans. OK. Who cares what you feelz?

And again you lie, at NO point did I say I don't like trans. I merely said it was a mental disease. Bipolar people have a mental disease to jake, I don't dislike them , I simply acknowledge that they have a mental disease. I know the concept of honesty is completely foreign to you, but try Jake. Try.

OK, you do like trans, so apparently you are conflicted. Hope it works out,

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your question is immaterial. He may be a made up actor of the John Travolta movie of the war of the worlds type thing.

You fellows have no moral authority on this matter. You have your opinions. That is as far as it goes. But don't turn your back of Soggy.

 

[oreo]

What is wrong with people having conflicting beliefs about transgender identity.
To some people it's internal, and not a choice.
To others it's about external appearance, a behavioral choice.
Why not treat both approaches as creeds, and weigh and respect them equally under law?
Is that really too much to ask?

If Hindus, Muslims and Vegans don't agree on not eating beef, pork or no meat at all;
does this require govt to pass a policy imposing one and excluding another? For matters of beliefs or creeds, what happened to govt generally staying out of conflicts and letting people work it out and decide for themselves how to exercise their beliefs without stepping on each other's boundaries.

Do we see Lutherans suing to force Catholics to open up their communions to everyone to avoid discrimination? The policy of letting institutions work out their own systems works in private; why can't bathroom policies be treated as personal. Sure, where public institutions are involved, nobody should be discriminated against, but that goes both ways; a policy that seeks to CORRECT an issue of discrimination can't impose a different one and be pushed as a solution.

If a couple is the only Vegan at a dinner is there anything wrong with preparing a meal differently for that couple, WITHOUT changing the whole menu for all the other guests so they are all treated the same?

Let's compare some other scenarios, tell me if you see the similarities or not:

When Muslims want to pray at work, they may request a special arrangement with their management to have a quiet place to pray 5 times a day.
Does this mean EVERYONE has to be subject to that? No. it's kept in private.
There is nothing shameful about being different, and doing something in a private
room or corner that nobody else has to ask for and do.

If Christians want to express or share their beliefs in ways that affect others, people have the right to say NO I don't feel comfortable. Don't impose that on me in public, keep it in private. This isn't considered discrimination but courtesy to understand other people may not take it the same way it is meant.

Some people don't get how is it imposing on Christians to ask them to keep their ways to themselves. But some of their belief is based on duty to share with others, and they feel excluded and a sense of loss at being denied what is natural to them as free expression and exercise. to others it is imposing and pushing religion in public.

Here isn't something similar happening? Both sides have beliefs that impact the others.
Neither side is going to get their way without infringing on the sense of security of the others. So that is why Unisex restrooms or neutral / singlestalled facilities seem the best option which don't require EITHER side to change their views or change how they act.

The rest of the debate appears to be emotional attachment and personal meaning this issue has to different people.

Since it isn't scientifically proven what is going on with transgender identity, it's all personal beliefs and faith based. So why not respect those equally and impose none, and exclude none. Allow people freedom to work out their issues they are bringing to the table. And as for the restrooms, it seems unisex restrooms don't cause any conflict, so why not remain neutral? isn't that what govt policy should be ideally, totally neutral?

The emotional and personal factors involved here are what is really causing the debates to escalate beyond repair. The facts are simple that NOTHING is proven, so it's all faith based on both sides. The sooner we can accept that, and separate our personal stakes and meaning this has to us from the actual policies that are going to work or going to fail, the better we can take steps to avoid failure and to seek what is more effective.

I hope the hoopla and upset calms down, and people rise above the personal issues at stake to work out fair policies that respect all people and restore a sense of normal standards. Thanks for letting me share, and I hope you will also! Yours truly, Emily

It's because the majority are afraid of things that they don't understand. They're normal, so everyone else should be like them. It they're not like them, they're discriminated against, attacked and hated.

In my town, I there was a little boy, who's parents sent him to school in dresses. He wore his hair like a little girl, and he was happy being a little girl. People blamed the parents for not whiping him into shape and thinking like a little boy. Once we learned more, we understood that the parents had tried everything--and nothing worked. So the school allowed this youngster to go & into the girls bathrooms, and there was nothing more made of it.

Will some men take advantage of dressing up like a woman and entering a woman's bathroom? I suspect some crazy will do that, but it won't be the norm.

prev men who dress like women are interested in men, not women and little girls .... these RW's morons must be afraid they'll like it like that.

Then why do they want to pee with women? Seems like they'd be down with the dong show!

Well, what would men think if someone dressed as a woman, looked like a woman walked into a bathroom to pee with them. Gender identity would suggest that a young boy has been dressing like a girl for quite some time, like what happened in Colorado Springs. I doubt anyone knew by looking at him that he was a boy, unless he undressed in front of them.

The point is any man can dress up like a woman, (right now) walk into a woman's bathroom and go into a stall and pee, and no one would notice the difference.

I imagine it happens all of the time, just no one notices it.

 

[DiazedandConfused]

Man, you fools just dont get it. Its not my fault I have the wrong body. I didnt choose this. Besides, a bj is a bj, who cares who you get it from? Dont be mad that I can do it better than your wife. If she was so good you wouldnt be out here anyway.

 

[Contumacious]

What is wrong with people having conflicting beliefs about transgender identity.
To some people it's internal, and not a choice.
To others it's about external appearance, a behavioral choice.
Why not treat both approaches as creeds, and weigh and respect them equally under law?
Is that really too much to ask?

If Hindus, Muslims and Vegans don't agree on not eating beef, pork or no meat at all;
does this require govt to pass a policy imposing one and excluding another? For matters of beliefs or creeds, what happened to govt generally staying out of conflicts and letting people work it out and decide for themselves how to exercise their beliefs without stepping on each other's boundaries.

Do we see Lutherans suing to force Catholics to open up their communions to everyone to avoid discrimination? The policy of letting institutions work out their own systems works in private; why can't bathroom policies be treated as personal. Sure, where public institutions are involved, nobody should be discriminated against, but that goes both ways; a policy that seeks to CORRECT an issue of discrimination can't impose a different one and be pushed as a solution.

If a couple is the only Vegan at a dinner is there anything wrong with preparing a meal differently for that couple, WITHOUT changing the whole menu for all the other guests so they are all treated the same?

Let's compare some other scenarios, tell me if you see the similarities or not:

When Muslims want to pray at work, they may request a special arrangement with their management to have a quiet place to pray 5 times a day.
Does this mean EVERYONE has to be subject to that? No. it's kept in private.
There is nothing shameful about being different, and doing something in a private
room or corner that nobody else has to ask for and do.

If Christians want to express or share their beliefs in ways that affect others, people have the right to say NO I don't feel comfortable. Don't impose that on me in public, keep it in private. This isn't considered discrimination but courtesy to understand other people may not take it the same way it is meant.

Some people don't get how is it imposing on Christians to ask them to keep their ways to themselves. But some of their belief is based on duty to share with others, and they feel excluded and a sense of loss at being denied what is natural to them as free expression and exercise. to others it is imposing and pushing religion in public.

Here isn't something similar happening? Both sides have beliefs that impact the others.
Neither side is going to get their way without infringing on the sense of security of the others. So that is why Unisex restrooms or neutral / singlestalled facilities seem the best option which don't require EITHER side to change their views or change how they act.

The rest of the debate appears to be emotional attachment and personal meaning this issue has to different people.

Since it isn't scientifically proven what is going on with transgender identity, it's all personal beliefs and faith based. So why not respect those equally and impose none, and exclude none. Allow people freedom to work out their issues they are bringing to the table. And as for the restrooms, it seems unisex restrooms don't cause any conflict, so why not remain neutral? isn't that what govt policy should be ideally, totally neutral?

The emotional and personal factors involved here are what is really causing the debates to escalate beyond repair. The facts are simple that NOTHING is proven, so it's all faith based on both sides. The sooner we can accept that, and separate our personal stakes and meaning this has to us from the actual policies that are going to work or going to fail, the better we can take steps to avoid failure and to seek what is more effective.

I hope the hoopla and upset calms down, and people rise above the personal issues at stake to work out fair policies that respect all people and restore a sense of normal standards. Thanks for letting me share, and I hope you will also! Yours truly, Emily

All the comparisonsare moot. over and over when this issue is put to the people the govrenment tries to inflict it on it fails and fails badly. check out the numbers on it. the demographics of it all is amazing because you will have bible thumping Baptist types agreeing with gay people on the topic. that and the transgender/ crossdressing group is such a minority they only matter to a legacy building presidant.

Dear Crixus in matters of faith, shouldn't the govt not be involved at all in taking
one side's faith based beliefs over another's? No matter what the % are.

If only 1% of the population is Bahai, that faith should be equally protected
as the other majority who identify as something else.

What is wrong with making the argument that it is the BELIEF about
orientation and gender that should not be discriminated against, so this covers
both sides that believe it is natural/not a choice or believe it is a choice of behavior
whether someone chooses to act out and express homosexual or transgender "lifestyle."

What is wrong with making the argument that people should be
protected from CONFLICT between the beliefs that causes them to discriminate against each other. If a business and a patron have such conflicting beliefs, they don't agree how to resolve them consenually, why can't they BOTH be BANNED from conducting business together in order to SAVE legal expenses
and court expenses to the public. Why make one side/belief wrong and say the other is right?
Either both sides agree to mediation and consensus in order to exercise the right to do business together.
Or if they cannot agree, they both lose that right and neither side is more or less to blame for their mutual conflict.

Wouldn't either of those approaches be more NEUTRAL and All inclusive, not discriminating on the content of one's beliefs, but protecting any conflicting belief from imposing on another.

It's not a matter of faith at all. If that's what I implied, apologies. What I'm saying is looking at the numbers that vote these things down, they are so huge that they represent the religious, non religious, liberal a d non, black white, gay streight. l see it this way, keep the social engineering out of the schools for starters.Then, if cross dressers want to go in public and must have their own place to potty, they can go to places with three restrooms. But they deserve no consideration from me or anyone else who thinks they are just weird.

Social engineering must kept out of schooling by ABOLISHING government "education"

.

Dear Contumacious
Would you agree with mandatory public education that
required citizens to understand Constitutional law and pass tests?
To train in conflict resolution to prevent criminal violence
and lawsuits over beliefs and discrimination by creed (ie both sides:
neither harassing Christians or gays for their beliefs about gender and orientation)?

What about laws that could require citizens, upon turning legal age,
to sign agreements assuming equal responsible for upholding not violating laws, even signing
agreements to pay for any damages, costs or debts, either to crime victims
or to taxpayers, caused by criminal convictions if they break the laws (including
costs of prosecution and incarceration). What if each citizen was required to know
the procedure and costs, and accept financial responsibility, in order to exercise
rights and privileges as a taxpaying citizen with legal protections?

Wouldn't such required legal/civic education be a step in the right direction to stop abuses
by both citizens and govt that otherwise violate the rights of others and cost taxpayers money?

The ONLY thing that I support is the free Constitutional Republic guaranteed by the Constitution (1787). Education is a matter between the child and his parents.

I do not want the state involved inculcating fascism, socialism and state supremacy. In a private setting it is up to the schools to decide how it is going to deal with transgender issues.. I do not want the POTUS harassing the states because he/she consider transgenderism to be a civil right.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those of us who know you, Contumacious, are well aware of why you want weak governments.