Why Socialism will never work...

[WildBillKelsoe]

People seem to see some socialist national endeavors as desirable but they don't need the whole nation to go socialistic, only some programs. That may be why so many nations have a mixed economic system, some socialism and some capitalism. It does not have to be all or nothing.

There is no way to have a "mixed economic system" of both socialism and capitalism.... not "free market" capitalism, anyway. Free market economics relies upon individual freedom to purchase and sell according to values determined by supply and demand. Socialism is invasive to that process. Just the presence of socialism in a free market system, kills the free market aspect and the system becomes a socialist-capitalist one. A socialist-capitalist system is what is known a corporatism or "crony capitalism" and is not anything remotely close to free market capitalism. This is an undesirable system.

We have, in this country, systems that have been established which many people mistakenly consider to be "socialistic" ...like Social Security, the military, police and fire services, etc. This is not Socialism. These are examples of constitutionally-enumerated powers our framers built in to our system because they realized there were certain areas where free market capitalism couldn't handle things effectively.

Note... effectively, not efficiently. Often times, these enumerated things handled collectively by the government are not efficient but they are effective. Free market could be more efficient but not as effective because the incentives are all wrong. There is a reason the framers painstakingly outlined the few things that were to be dealt with collectively and left everything else to free market forces through individual and state freedom.

You make a good argument. Many view the free markets handling of the healthcare system as abusive, inefficient, and ineffective to the point where government intervention was needed. During the time of the constitution our infrastructure didn't include many of the elements in our current economy so it is up to our democracy to decide who should be in control of taking care of the health needs of our population. I'd prefer the free market however, they messed up. I fear our banking system and wall street heading down the same path with the financial sector and I can only hope they get their shit together. You can't simply blame liberals or democrats for the increasing size of government... There is cause and effect. If the private sector can build trust and show responsibility then perhaps we can start shrinking government and move back towards a more capitalistic free market system.

Capitalism, left to itself, always eats itself, like democracy. It's also not the answer to every problem facing society.

Capitalism made The United States the greatest country on earth. Socialism has failed, everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

If Socialism is so great, how come you never read about American Progressives hopping an inner tube to from Miami to Fidel?

That's communism.

Communism is socialism, too.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If Socialism is so great, how come you never read about American Progressives hopping an inner tube to from Miami to Fidel?

That's communism.

Communism is socialism, too.

Not when used that way. Capitalism, Mixed Economy, Socialism, then Communism.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

There is no way to have a "mixed economic system" of both socialism and capitalism.... not "free market" capitalism, anyway. Free market economics relies upon individual freedom to purchase and sell according to values determined by supply and demand. Socialism is invasive to that process. Just the presence of socialism in a free market system, kills the free market aspect and the system becomes a socialist-capitalist one. A socialist-capitalist system is what is known a corporatism or "crony capitalism" and is not anything remotely close to free market capitalism. This is an undesirable system.

We have, in this country, systems that have been established which many people mistakenly consider to be "socialistic" ...like Social Security, the military, police and fire services, etc. This is not Socialism. These are examples of constitutionally-enumerated powers our framers built in to our system because they realized there were certain areas where free market capitalism couldn't handle things effectively.

Note... effectively, not efficiently. Often times, these enumerated things handled collectively by the government are not efficient but they are effective. Free market could be more efficient but not as effective because the incentives are all wrong. There is a reason the framers painstakingly outlined the few things that were to be dealt with collectively and left everything else to free market forces through individual and state freedom.

You make a good argument. Many view the free markets handling of the healthcare system as abusive, inefficient, and ineffective to the point where government intervention was needed. During the time of the constitution our infrastructure didn't include many of the elements in our current economy so it is up to our democracy to decide who should be in control of taking care of the health needs of our population. I'd prefer the free market however, they messed up. I fear our banking system and wall street heading down the same path with the financial sector and I can only hope they get their shit together. You can't simply blame liberals or democrats for the increasing size of government... There is cause and effect. If the private sector can build trust and show responsibility then perhaps we can start shrinking government and move back towards a more capitalistic free market system.

Capitalism, left to itself, always eats itself, like democracy. It's also not the answer to every problem facing society.

Capitalism made The United States the greatest country on earth. Socialism has failed, everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Communism, not Socialism.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

People seem to see some socialist national endeavors as desirable but they don't need the whole nation to go socialistic, only some programs. That may be why so many nations have a mixed economic system, some socialism and some capitalism. It does not have to be all or nothing.

There is no way to have a "mixed economic system" of both socialism and capitalism.... not "free market" capitalism, anyway. Free market economics relies upon individual freedom to purchase and sell according to values determined by supply and demand. Socialism is invasive to that process. Just the presence of socialism in a free market system, kills the free market aspect and the system becomes a socialist-capitalist one. A socialist-capitalist system is what is known a corporatism or "crony capitalism" and is not anything remotely close to free market capitalism. This is an undesirable system.

We have, in this country, systems that have been established which many people mistakenly consider to be "socialistic" ...like Social Security, the military, police and fire services, etc. This is not Socialism. These are examples of constitutionally-enumerated powers our framers built in to our system because they realized there were certain areas where free market capitalism couldn't handle things effectively.

Note... effectively, not efficiently. Often times, these enumerated things handled collectively by the government are not efficient but they are effective. Free market could be more efficient but not as effective because the incentives are all wrong. There is a reason the framers painstakingly outlined the few things that were to be dealt with collectively and left everything else to free market forces through individual and state freedom.

And over time we learned that the free market gave us even bigger problems so a Republican president began trying to regulate that free market economy. Now most economics is regulated. Perhaps someday we will find the right combination and will have solved depressions, poverty, safe working condition and so on, but we know free market doesn't work.

How is socialism working in Venezuela?

Crappy but it doesn't have to be.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

You make a good argument. Many view the free markets handling of the healthcare system as abusive, inefficient, and ineffective to the point where government intervention was needed. During the time of the constitution our infrastructure didn't include many of the elements in our current economy so it is up to our democracy to decide who should be in control of taking care of the health needs of our population. I'd prefer the free market however, they messed up. I fear our banking system and wall street heading down the same path with the financial sector and I can only hope they get their shit together. You can't simply blame liberals or democrats for the increasing size of government... There is cause and effect. If the private sector can build trust and show responsibility then perhaps we can start shrinking government and move back towards a more capitalistic free market system.

Capitalism, left to itself, always eats itself, like democracy. It's also not the answer to every problem facing society.

Capitalism made The United States the greatest country on earth. Socialism has failed, everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Communism, not Socialism.

U.S.S.R: Union of Soviet and Socialist Republics.

 

[jasonnfree]

There is no way to have a "mixed economic system" of both socialism and capitalism.... not "free market" capitalism, anyway. Free market economics relies upon individual freedom to purchase and sell according to values determined by supply and demand. Socialism is invasive to that process. Just the presence of socialism in a free market system, kills the free market aspect and the system becomes a socialist-capitalist one. A socialist-capitalist system is what is known a corporatism or "crony capitalism" and is not anything remotely close to free market capitalism. This is an undesirable system.

We have, in this country, systems that have been established which many people mistakenly consider to be "socialistic" ...like Social Security, the military, police and fire services, etc. This is not Socialism. These are examples of constitutionally-enumerated powers our framers built in to our system because they realized there were certain areas where free market capitalism couldn't handle things effectively.

Note... effectively, not efficiently. Often times, these enumerated things handled collectively by the government are not efficient but they are effective. Free market could be more efficient but not as effective because the incentives are all wrong. There is a reason the framers painstakingly outlined the few things that were to be dealt with collectively and left everything else to free market forces through individual and state freedom.

You make a good argument. Many view the free markets handling of the healthcare system as abusive, inefficient, and ineffective to the point where government intervention was needed. During the time of the constitution our infrastructure didn't include many of the elements in our current economy so it is up to our democracy to decide who should be in control of taking care of the health needs of our population. I'd prefer the free market however, they messed up. I fear our banking system and wall street heading down the same path with the financial sector and I can only hope they get their shit together. You can't simply blame liberals or democrats for the increasing size of government... There is cause and effect. If the private sector can build trust and show responsibility then perhaps we can start shrinking government and move back towards a more capitalistic free market system.

Capitalism, left to itself, always eats itself, like democracy. It's also not the answer to every problem facing society.

Capitalism made The United States the greatest country on earth. Socialism has failed, everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Never said it was awesome. Like Regent said, a mixed economy is what most countries have. Show us countries that became great with pure capitalism. (without slavery or abusing workers like I said).

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

People seem to see some socialist national endeavors as desirable but they don't need the whole nation to go socialistic, only some programs. That may be why so many nations have a mixed economic system, some socialism and some capitalism. It does not have to be all or nothing.

There is no way to have a "mixed economic system" of both socialism and capitalism.... not "free market" capitalism, anyway. Free market economics relies upon individual freedom to purchase and sell according to values determined by supply and demand. Socialism is invasive to that process. Just the presence of socialism in a free market system, kills the free market aspect and the system becomes a socialist-capitalist one. A socialist-capitalist system is what is known a corporatism or "crony capitalism" and is not anything remotely close to free market capitalism. This is an undesirable system.

We have, in this country, systems that have been established which many people mistakenly consider to be "socialistic" ...like Social Security, the military, police and fire services, etc. This is not Socialism. These are examples of constitutionally-enumerated powers our framers built in to our system because they realized there were certain areas where free market capitalism couldn't handle things effectively.

Note... effectively, not efficiently. Often times, these enumerated things handled collectively by the government are not efficient but they are effective. Free market could be more efficient but not as effective because the incentives are all wrong. There is a reason the framers painstakingly outlined the few things that were to be dealt with collectively and left everything else to free market forces through individual and state freedom.

And over time we learned that the free market gave us even bigger problems so a Republican president began trying to regulate that free market economy. Now most economics is regulated. Perhaps someday we will find the right combination and will have solved depressions, poverty, safe working condition and so on, but we know free market doesn't work.

How is socialism working in Venezuela?

Crappy but it doesn't have to be.

It never hasn't been. A hundred years of failure and all of a sudden you think you know how to make it work?

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

You make a good argument. Many view the free markets handling of the healthcare system as abusive, inefficient, and ineffective to the point where government intervention was needed. During the time of the constitution our infrastructure didn't include many of the elements in our current economy so it is up to our democracy to decide who should be in control of taking care of the health needs of our population. I'd prefer the free market however, they messed up. I fear our banking system and wall street heading down the same path with the financial sector and I can only hope they get their shit together. You can't simply blame liberals or democrats for the increasing size of government... There is cause and effect. If the private sector can build trust and show responsibility then perhaps we can start shrinking government and move back towards a more capitalistic free market system.

Capitalism, left to itself, always eats itself, like democracy. It's also not the answer to every problem facing society.

Capitalism made The United States the greatest country on earth. Socialism has failed, everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Never said it was awesome. Like Regent said, a mixed economy is what most countries have. Show us countries that became great with pure capitalism. (without slavery or abusing workers like I said).

I never said capitalism was perfect, either, but it has a better record than Socialism.

 

[jasonnfree]

People seem to see some socialist national endeavors as desirable but they don't need the whole nation to go socialistic, only some programs. That may be why so many nations have a mixed economic system, some socialism and some capitalism. It does not have to be all or nothing.

There is no way to have a "mixed economic system" of both socialism and capitalism.... not "free market" capitalism, anyway. Free market economics relies upon individual freedom to purchase and sell according to values determined by supply and demand. Socialism is invasive to that process. Just the presence of socialism in a free market system, kills the free market aspect and the system becomes a socialist-capitalist one. A socialist-capitalist system is what is known a corporatism or "crony capitalism" and is not anything remotely close to free market capitalism. This is an undesirable system.

We have, in this country, systems that have been established which many people mistakenly consider to be "socialistic" ...like Social Security, the military, police and fire services, etc. This is not Socialism. These are examples of constitutionally-enumerated powers our framers built in to our system because they realized there were certain areas where free market capitalism couldn't handle things effectively.

Note... effectively, not efficiently. Often times, these enumerated things handled collectively by the government are not efficient but they are effective. Free market could be more efficient but not as effective because the incentives are all wrong. There is a reason the framers painstakingly outlined the few things that were to be dealt with collectively and left everything else to free market forces through individual and state freedom.

And over time we learned that the free market gave us even bigger problems so a Republican president began trying to regulate that free market economy. Now most economics is regulated. Perhaps someday we will find the right combination and will have solved depressions, poverty, safe working condition and so on, but we know free market doesn't work.

How is socialism working in Venezuela?

Crappy but it doesn't have to be.

It never hasn't been. A hundred years of failure and all of a sudden you think you know how to make it work?

Venezuela wasn't socialist until Chavez.

 

[jasonnfree]

Capitalism, left to itself, always eats itself, like democracy. It's also not the answer to every problem facing society.

Capitalism made The United States the greatest country on earth. Socialism has failed, everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Never said it was awesome. Like Regent said, a mixed economy is what most countries have. Show us countries that became great with pure capitalism. (without slavery or abusing workers like I said).

I never said capitalism was perfect, either, but it has a better record than Socialism.

Name one country that's pure capitalistic. All our republican and libertarian politicians have health care courtesy of the taxpayers. Does this mean republican politicians including Ron Paul are socialists?

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Capitalism made The United States the greatest country on earth. Socialism has failed, everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Never said it was awesome. Like Regent said, a mixed economy is what most countries have. Show us countries that became great with pure capitalism. (without slavery or abusing workers like I said).

I never said capitalism was perfect, either, but it has a better record than Socialism.

Name one country that's pure capitalistic.

I never said there are any.

Name one socialist country that hasnt, or isn't falling in it's ass.

 

[Slade3200]

Capitalism and slavery you should say. And back then workers were tossed aside if they were hurt on the job. The capitalists would just hire another low pay laborer. Jay Gould bragged that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half. Capitalism was great back then if you were a capitalist.

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Never said it was awesome. Like Regent said, a mixed economy is what most countries have. Show us countries that became great with pure capitalism. (without slavery or abusing workers like I said).

I never said capitalism was perfect, either, but it has a better record than Socialism.

Name one country that's pure capitalistic.

I never said there are any.

Name one socialist country that hasnt, or isn't falling on it's ass.

I'll name one... The U.S.A

 

[jasonnfree]

How awesome was socialism in The Soviet Union?

Never said it was awesome. Like Regent said, a mixed economy is what most countries have. Show us countries that became great with pure capitalism. (without slavery or abusing workers like I said).

I never said capitalism was perfect, either, but it has a better record than Socialism.

Name one country that's pure capitalistic.

I never said there are any.

Name one socialist country that hasnt, or isn't falling on it's ass.

I'll name one... The U.S.A

How is USA socialist?

 

[Political Junky]

Those countries u listed rank highest in happiest places to live .

Of course they are, lol. The United States capitalist dogs protect you, and you fleece everyone else so you can sit home and smoke bong!

Wait till they have to pay for our protection, and lets see how they like investing money in THEIR OWN NATIONAL SECURITY as their taxes go from 60%, to 85%!

Oh we are suckers when it comes to the military . We are Also a socialist country . Have been for at Least 100 yrs.

And Quickly becoming Fascist. Nancy Reagan expressed concern several years ago at how far Right the republicans were moving.

 

[Slade3200]

Never said it was awesome. Like Regent said, a mixed economy is what most countries have. Show us countries that became great with pure capitalism. (without slavery or abusing workers like I said).

I never said capitalism was perfect, either, but it has a better record than Socialism.

Name one country that's pure capitalistic.

I never said there are any.

Name one socialist country that hasnt, or isn't falling on it's ass.

I'll name one... The U.S.A

How is USA socialist?

It's not, I just wanted to hear WildBillNutJob say that... All the rightnutz keep claiming that we are.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

I never said capitalism was perfect, either, but it has a better record than Socialism.

Name one country that's pure capitalistic.

I never said there are any.

Name one socialist country that hasnt, or isn't falling on it's ass.

I'll name one... The U.S.A

How is USA socialist?

It's not, I just wanted to hear WildBillNutJob say that... All the rightnutz keep claiming that we are.

Why the sudden impulse to lie?

 

[Slade3200]

Name one country that's pure capitalistic.

I never said there are any.

Name one socialist country that hasnt, or isn't falling on it's ass.

I'll name one... The U.S.A

How is USA socialist?

It's not, I just wanted to hear WildBillNutJob say that... All the rightnutz keep claiming that we are.

Why the sudden impulse to lie?

I'm a liberal, i guess its just in my nature.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

I never said there are any.

Name one socialist country that hasnt, or isn't falling on it's ass.

I'll name one... The U.S.A

How is USA socialist?

It's not, I just wanted to hear WildBillNutJob say that... All the rightnutz keep claiming that we are.

Why the sudden impulse to lie?

I'm a liberal, i guess its just in my nature.

I already knew that.

 

[bripat9643]

If socialism won't work because it's not perfect,

can't you say, by that standard, that capitalism doesn't work?

Capitalism is self correcting.

I wish. If it was it wouldn't need regulation.

It doesn't.