Why Ted Cruz Will NOT Win A Contested Convention

[Avatar4321]

COLORADO GOP DECIDES VOTERS DON'T NEED TO VOTE. WAIT! WHAT?

The plan was to hold caucus meetings to select delegates not pledged to any particular candidate, in order for the Colorado delegation to have more influence. But it didn’t work out that way. When the Convention met on Saturday, Cruz operatives were able to place Cruz delegates into all 34 slots.

And according to Republican delegate hopeful Larry Wayne Lindsey, he was refused credentials because he was a Trump supporter. “I’ve been in line for about 45 mins trying to get into the arena for the caucus. I am a delegate but we’ll see whether or not they have provided my credentials for me. I as threatened if I tried to vote for trump I would be replaced, my vote nullified, and they would replace me with an alternate of their choosing.”

A little later, when he was denied entry to the convention, Lindsey said, “I guess my precinct captain made good on her threats. My name is no longer on the roster as a delegate. I have been removed and replaced. My vote nullified because I voted for Trump. I am unbelievably pissed. I am sick to death with how dishonest and corrupt these people are in Douglas county for the GOP. I’m ashamed to call myself a republican.”

So Cruz maneuvered, and plotted, and got his people named as Colorado delegates.

And there was never a vote among Colorado Republicans.

Instead Cruz won 34 delegates in a system in Colorado that didn’t even bother to ask voters.

A rigged system?

Certainly looks that way.

The party eliminated the primary last August. Interestingly the change was criticized as favoring non-establishment candidates Several other states use a similar process. North Dakota delegates can vote for anyone they like.

I haven't followed Colorado but it does seem that Trump pretty much ignored the state preferring to use his resources in NY. Cruz has been working these delegates for weeks if not months visiting all the district caucus.

I am not upset with the GOP leadership in Colorado for changing from a primary to an appointed system, but they broke their own rules by arbitrarily stripping off the ballot a great many Trump supporters and that is wrong.

You do realize that no matter how many times you repeat this talking point it's still a lie, don't you?

 

[dannyboys]

Cruz won't win a contested convention cuz their won't be one. Trump will reach the required delegates (1237) and then some in June. You can take that to the bank unless he fucks everything up and self destructs. Otherwise count on Trump reaching the magic number in June 2016.

Screen shot it and post in on your wall

And then use it to throw darts at when it doesn't come true.

You forgot all about John Kasich's growing momentum...growing larger the more people see the birth certificate in the OP here..

Dream on pal.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Hey Boss, what was the vote count in Colorado? HINT - consider in your answer that there was NO vote in Colorado. How is that accounted for in
". Trump currently has received 37% of the popular vote nationwide yet holds 45% of the delegates..."?
I know you can see there is something wrong in Colorado.

Yeah, he has 45% of the delegates in the states that held votes, and 37% of the actual votes in those states.

If Colorado follows through on its plan to have a non-binding straw poll, then we can adjust for that if you like, but the fact is still going to remain that Trump has a much larger share of the delegates than he does of the votes, and no one else is whining about being "robbed".

It's long past time for Trump to put on his big-boy Underoos and accept that American politics is a rough-and-tumble, bare-knuckled procedure. Always has been. He should be grateful it's actually more civilized now than in the past.

Ok, I got it. Politics is a rough and tumble, so nobody in Colorado gets to vote. Clear as mud. i live hear man......people don't understand why they have no voice/no vote. it takes experts on local radio stations to explain the convoluted system put in place by party insiders. Reps screwed the pooch here.

Nobody in Colorado got to vote primarily because your state GOP couldn't seem to get its shit together sufficiently to put a primary system in place. And, again, they're not required to. You may or may not think voting is the only acceptable, morally-pure way of deciding anything. You may even be right. The fact remains that they're not actually obligated to go that way.

You need to learn to separate primaries from real, official elections. Your right to vote only extends to governments; it means nothing to private organizations, and never will. If you buy 15 shares of Coca Cola, I guarantee you that you have no voice whatsoever in how the company runs its business or who it hires as its next CEO. All you get is the ability to sell your shares and go buy stock in Pepsi.

exactly it is an organization and they are free to do as they please

so why should they bother with a popular vote in the other 49 states

why not just pick a guy and say this is who we are running

Already explained that a few times, in a few different places. Go find them, because I have no intention of repeating myself ad nauseam.

Repeating what

At this point I don't really give a damn

What the GOP does

 

[dannyboys]

The only way Cruz will lose the nomination in a contested convention is if he does not take advantage of the rules concerning delagates!

I suspect Cruz know the rules like the back of his hand and having an actual coalition that supports him in the party gives him an incredible advantage over Trump!!

Either Trump wins on the first round, or Cruz most likely wins on the next round of votes.

Hallelujah! Another armchair expert!
If you believe Cruz has a 'coalition that supports him' you're a fool.
100% of the REPs in Washington would rather have a fucking root canal than give Cruz their support.
You are clearly a 'checker player' pal.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The only way Cruz will lose the nomination in a contested convention is if he does not take advantage of the rules concerning delagates!

I suspect Cruz know the rules like the back of his hand and having an actual coalition that supports him in the party gives him an incredible advantage over Trump!!

Either Trump wins on the first round, or Cruz most likely wins on the next round of votes.

Hallelujah! Another armchair expert!
If you believe Cruz has a 'coalition that supports him' you're a fool.
100% of the REPs in Washington would rather have a fucking root canal than give Cruz their support.
You are clearly a 'checker player' pal.

The progressive establishment of the GOP

Will tolerate Cruz up and until trump

Has been successfully dismembered

 

[Boss]

Boss, I left the Republican Party about 8 years ago for 2 main reasons- I no longer wanted to be associated with the religious right (their dogma was really creeping me out) and the leadership seemed spineless in the defense and advancement of conservative ideas, so I concluded there was no point. Cast my first vote for Ronnie R. and have never picked a Dem over a Rep since. I own guns and hate commies.

Here at ground zero in Colorado, there are a lot of Good conservative people pissed as hell about the shenanigans in the process. Call them whiny morons if you like, tell them they are too stupid to understand the process, say they are illiterate because they don't spend the time you do studying the system..........and then scratch your arrogant head in November wondering how a person like Hillary can become President.

The GOP is getting what it sows, and they have elitist intellectuals like you to carry their water for them. That's sad man.

I personally don't care about your history or story.... it just does not matter one iota to me, to be honest. You can't believe most of what people say online anyway.

Colorado has a process for electing delegates to the national GOP convention. Everyone knew the process, the rules didn't change, the process worked as it was designed to work. Trump failed to win the delegates and Cruz didn't fail. It's as simple as that. You may not like it... the conservatives in Colorado may not like it... that doesn't really matter.

I am not arrogant, I am simply telling you what the process is and how it works, and you're being belligerent and defiant for some reason. I don't know what to tell you to do about that... maybe add more fiber to your diet or have an enema? If you don't understand the process and how it works, go take a Civics class and learn... next time, you'll know... you'll be prepared and you won't come away thinking you were cheated and done wrong.

I'm not an elitist intellectual... I am intellectual and I am fairly elite around here because this place seems to be full of abject morons and fuckgoofs... but politically, I am a constitutional conservative who has supported the constitutional conservative candidate, Ted Cruz, from Day One. I have also said that I would vote for Trump if he won the nomination but as of about a week ago, I changed my mind on that. I will not vote for Mr. Trump under any circumstance now, and you can thank his slimeball tactics and the smart-ass attitudes of his supporters.

 

[Avatar4321]

Again, I will gladly point out to the Trump Whiners who complain about "voice of the people" being ignored.... Trump currently has received 37% of the popular vote nationwide yet holds 45% of the delegates.... So you need to tell Mr. Trump that you support "voice of the people" in this process and he needs to release 8% of his delegates immediately.

Otherwise... Shut your pie hole!

Hey Boss, what was the vote count in Colorado? HINT - consider in your answer that there was NO vote in Colorado. How is that accounted for in
". Trump currently has received 37% of the popular vote nationwide yet holds 45% of the delegates..."?
I know you can see there is something wrong in Colorado.

What the fuck is wrong with you people, did you never study this stuff in high school? Each state has it's own rules for caucuses and primaries. There is not a ballot vote for candidates in Colorado. Previously, they have had "presidential preference" polls but delegates are not bound by those. In 2015, the Republican Party of Colorado decided not to have the preference polls and awarded the delegates through county caucuses.

Fact is, in MOST states, you do not vote directly for a candidate, you vote for their delegates... IF you vote at all. Some states hold caucuses.... some hold primaries. It's how the system works and how it's been working for as long as we've held presidential elections. You act like this is some kind of new unprecedented thing that just happened in Colorado because the GOP didn't want to count the votes or something.

If Trump had won the delegates in Colorado, there would have been absolutely nothing said about this. The ONLY REASON it is a story is because TRUMP started claiming outrage over the process... a process he knew full well was going to be as it was for the entirety of this campaign. He failed to secure the delegates through the process laid out by the state party and now he wants to cry foul. You abject MORONS join in the chorus because you're apparently ILLITERATE about how the process works. I learned about this stuff in 8th grade!

So why don't you morons go learn something about how we nominate candidates in America and shut the fuck up with your incessant whining and moaning. I can't help that you're an illiterate. I can't do anything about the rules of the Republican Party of Colorado. They don't ask me what I think, I don't get included in their decisions. Ted Cruz doesn't either. So what the fuck do you expect us to do about that? You think maybe Ted Cruz should refuse to accept Colorado's delegates or something? Maybe he should just resign from the party in protest? Is THAT what you expect to happen?

I totally don't get this! What the hell are you people expecting to happen here? You think if you bitch and moan enough, Colorado might change it's mind and hold a primary or something? I don't think any of this stuff is going to happen and I think you're all going to have to just grow the fuck up and learn to live with this. I don't know what else to tell you but the incessant whining and complaining isn't serving any purpose.

Boss, I left the Republican Party about 8 years ago for 2 main reasons- I no longer wanted to be associated with the religious right (their dogma was really creeping me out) and the leadership seemed spineless in the defense and advancement of conservative ideas, so I concluded there was no point. Cast my first vote for Ronnie R. and have never picked a Dem over a Rep since. I own guns and hate commies.

Here at ground zero in Colorado, there are a lot of Good conservative people pissed as hell about the shenanigans in the process. Call them whiny morons if you like, tell them they are too stupid to understand the process, say they are illiterate because they don't spend the time you do studying the system..........and then scratch your arrogant head in November wondering how a person like Hillary can become President.

The GOP is getting what it sows, and they have elitist intellectuals like you to carry their water for them. That's sad man.

Seems like what there are in Colorado are a bunch of lazy couch monkeys who think "shenanigans" is anything that requires them to actually pay attention, think, and put in a little effort, rather than just waking up one morning, going, "Oh, geez, there's a vote!" and trundling down to a polling place to fill in a bubble on a piece of paper for a name they barely recognize.

There at ground zero in Colorado, you had your chance for your precious vote last month, March 1. That's when their county precincts held caucuses for them to choose their delegates to the next level of meetings. All registered Republicans in the precinct were eligible to vote in those caucuses. There were notices sent out, as well as posted all over the web pages for the county GOPs, and has been for months.

So . . . who did you vote for at YOUR precinct caucus?

He didnt

 

[Avatar4321]

The only way Cruz will lose the nomination in a contested convention is if he does not take advantage of the rules concerning delagates!

I suspect Cruz know the rules like the back of his hand and having an actual coalition that supports him in the party gives him an incredible advantage over Trump!!

Either Trump wins on the first round, or Cruz most likely wins on the next round of votes.

Hallelujah! Another armchair expert!
If you believe Cruz has a 'coalition that supports him' you're a fool.
100% of the REPs in Washington would rather have a fucking root canal than give Cruz their support.
You are clearly a 'checker player' pal.

That may be so but the reps in Washington are not the delegates. The people from the states are. And Cruz has been very good at getting loyal supporters installed as delegates.

 

[Avatar4321]

The only way Cruz will lose the nomination in a contested convention is if he does not take advantage of the rules concerning delagates!

I suspect Cruz know the rules like the back of his hand and having an actual coalition that supports him in the party gives him an incredible advantage over Trump!!

Either Trump wins on the first round, or Cruz most likely wins on the next round of votes.

Hallelujah! Another armchair expert!
If you believe Cruz has a 'coalition that supports him' you're a fool.
100% of the REPs in Washington would rather have a fucking root canal than give Cruz their support.
You are clearly a 'checker player' pal.

The progressive establishment of the GOP

Will tolerate Cruz up and until trump

Has been successfully dismembered

And at that point Cruz will be the nominee

 

[Flopper]

COLORADO GOP DECIDES VOTERS DON'T NEED TO VOTE. WAIT! WHAT?

The plan was to hold caucus meetings to select delegates not pledged to any particular candidate, in order for the Colorado delegation to have more influence. But it didn’t work out that way. When the Convention met on Saturday, Cruz operatives were able to place Cruz delegates into all 34 slots.

And according to Republican delegate hopeful Larry Wayne Lindsey, he was refused credentials because he was a Trump supporter. “I’ve been in line for about 45 mins trying to get into the arena for the caucus. I am a delegate but we’ll see whether or not they have provided my credentials for me. I as threatened if I tried to vote for trump I would be replaced, my vote nullified, and they would replace me with an alternate of their choosing.”

A little later, when he was denied entry to the convention, Lindsey said, “I guess my precinct captain made good on her threats. My name is no longer on the roster as a delegate. I have been removed and replaced. My vote nullified because I voted for Trump. I am unbelievably pissed. I am sick to death with how dishonest and corrupt these people are in Douglas county for the GOP. I’m ashamed to call myself a republican.”

So Cruz maneuvered, and plotted, and got his people named as Colorado delegates.

And there was never a vote among Colorado Republicans.

Instead Cruz won 34 delegates in a system in Colorado that didn’t even bother to ask voters.

A rigged system?

Certainly looks that way.

No, it's just a system, one that Cruz took the time to understand and work with, and Trump decided he could bypass with his usual dog-and-pony show. Trump failed, and Cruz didn't.

Right Cecilie, but can you please explain the republican nomination system in Colorado?

Forgive me, I am a Colorado native, and I never took the civics class required to understand the Republican nomination process here. But If you live here, you will know I am not alone. The local talk shows have taken to bringing on experts to explain it. Thank God! Here is what I think I've learned-

There is no voting
You may or may not be able to voice an opinion, but only for 10 seconds.
There is no voting
People you don't know will do all the important stuff.
There is no voting
You'll will find out who you want as nominee when they tell you.
Oh and there is no voting

I don't live in Colorado. I frankly had to sit down and figure out the basics myself when this whole thing broke over the weekend, and I think the Colorado GOP is a giant clusterfuck at the moment.

As far as I can determine, Colorado had a caucus system that was very vulnerable to fringe candidates who otherwise got nowhere in the primary and were quite likely not even still in the race by convention time, which basically left Colorado disenfranchised at the convention, at least on the first ballot. There was a push to replace it with a primary, but the party got caught up in a quagmire of factional squabbling. They had looked at having a binding straw poll, but rejected it. I believe they are still planning to have a straw poll that is not binding, but after this kerfuffle, they may decide not to.

Back in August, the Colorado GOP announced that they wouldn't be holding a primary or a caucus, but would instead have a convention of delegates, with - apparently - a bunch of confusing procedures. Not having been there, I can't even begin to explain the vast majority of those. But they were all made publicly available, and certainly provided to the individual campaigns. We do know from statements by Trump campaign strategists that he did get those rules and procedures, and decided that the system would not favor him, and so decided to basically blow the state off.

Colorado will send 37 delegates to the GOP convention. Of those, 13 delegates were actually assigned at the convention over the weekend, chosen by the votes of the delegates to the state convention. Another 21 were awarded by Congressional district in votes held in those districts throughout the week, also delegate votes, one assumes. Ted Cruz had already picked up six of those by the time Trump's campaign even got around to putting staff into the area. The last three Colorado delegates are so-called "super delegates", who go to the national convention with the ability to vote however they like.

For the record, there ended up being something like 619 or so candidates running for the 13 delegate slots at the convention. About 30% or so of those running were Cruz supporters. Only 7 percent were Trump supporters, and the rest were running as uncommitted. So without actually going and putting in the legwork, Trump didn't have a hope in Hell of taking home any of those delegate slots, no matter what else happened.

Now, at the convention, the candidates for the delegate slots are all assigned a number, and they appear on the ballot only by number, one assumes because 619 candidates would take up a lot of space. The party issued a program listing all the candidate names and numbers, but without any indication of who they were supporting. Apparently, the program was badly printed and the list stopped at #589 or thereabouts, requiring them to provide an amendment to post the rest of the names. One of the bitches by the Trump people is that "not everyone got that information", but since they put the correction up on two big-ass screens over the main stage and everyone else seemed to manage to figure it out, one wonders what the Trump people were doing with their time instead.

Various factions at the convention put together a favored slate of candidates according to whom they were supporting, and passed out printed guides as to who was on those slates. Trump's people put out printed sheets that contained numerous errors, such as mislabeling people with the wrong number. They issued corrections, which themselves were full of errors.

In addition to their fuck-up with the programs, the Colorado GOP also managed to include a typo in the ballot itself. One delegate number was left off, and in its place the previous delegate number was listed twice. Like I said, the Colorado GOP appears to have all the organizational skills of a middle school campaign for student body president.

Trump simply screwed up and is not about to admit it. Being an outsider he didn't and probably still doesn't understand how the delegate selection process actually works. Each of the states Republican Committees make up their own rules, changes them at will, interpret them and enforces them. They have always bent the rules and ignored them and this is news to Trump.

As an outsider in government, we can expect exactly the same behavior from Trump when he learns political deal making is nothing like business.

In Trump's current tirade about how unfairly he's being treated, change establishment and GOP to congress and the courts and you'll have a preview of Trump's weekly press conferences as president.

 

[Avatar4321]

COLORADO GOP DECIDES VOTERS DON'T NEED TO VOTE. WAIT! WHAT?

The plan was to hold caucus meetings to select delegates not pledged to any particular candidate, in order for the Colorado delegation to have more influence. But it didn’t work out that way. When the Convention met on Saturday, Cruz operatives were able to place Cruz delegates into all 34 slots.

And according to Republican delegate hopeful Larry Wayne Lindsey, he was refused credentials because he was a Trump supporter. “I’ve been in line for about 45 mins trying to get into the arena for the caucus. I am a delegate but we’ll see whether or not they have provided my credentials for me. I as threatened if I tried to vote for trump I would be replaced, my vote nullified, and they would replace me with an alternate of their choosing.”

A little later, when he was denied entry to the convention, Lindsey said, “I guess my precinct captain made good on her threats. My name is no longer on the roster as a delegate. I have been removed and replaced. My vote nullified because I voted for Trump. I am unbelievably pissed. I am sick to death with how dishonest and corrupt these people are in Douglas county for the GOP. I’m ashamed to call myself a republican.”

So Cruz maneuvered, and plotted, and got his people named as Colorado delegates.

And there was never a vote among Colorado Republicans.

Instead Cruz won 34 delegates in a system in Colorado that didn’t even bother to ask voters.

A rigged system?

Certainly looks that way.

No, it's just a system, one that Cruz took the time to understand and work with, and Trump decided he could bypass with his usual dog-and-pony show. Trump failed, and Cruz didn't.

Right Cecilie, but can you please explain the republican nomination system in Colorado?

Forgive me, I am a Colorado native, and I never took the civics class required to understand the Republican nomination process here. But If you live here, you will know I am not alone. The local talk shows have taken to bringing on experts to explain it. Thank God! Here is what I think I've learned-

There is no voting
You may or may not be able to voice an opinion, but only for 10 seconds.
There is no voting
People you don't know will do all the important stuff.
There is no voting
You'll will find out who you want as nominee when they tell you.
Oh and there is no voting

I don't live in Colorado. I frankly had to sit down and figure out the basics myself when this whole thing broke over the weekend, and I think the Colorado GOP is a giant clusterfuck at the moment.

As far as I can determine, Colorado had a caucus system that was very vulnerable to fringe candidates who otherwise got nowhere in the primary and were quite likely not even still in the race by convention time, which basically left Colorado disenfranchised at the convention, at least on the first ballot. There was a push to replace it with a primary, but the party got caught up in a quagmire of factional squabbling. They had looked at having a binding straw poll, but rejected it. I believe they are still planning to have a straw poll that is not binding, but after this kerfuffle, they may decide not to.

Back in August, the Colorado GOP announced that they wouldn't be holding a primary or a caucus, but would instead have a convention of delegates, with - apparently - a bunch of confusing procedures. Not having been there, I can't even begin to explain the vast majority of those. But they were all made publicly available, and certainly provided to the individual campaigns. We do know from statements by Trump campaign strategists that he did get those rules and procedures, and decided that the system would not favor him, and so decided to basically blow the state off.

Colorado will send 37 delegates to the GOP convention. Of those, 13 delegates were actually assigned at the convention over the weekend, chosen by the votes of the delegates to the state convention. Another 21 were awarded by Congressional district in votes held in those districts throughout the week, also delegate votes, one assumes. Ted Cruz had already picked up six of those by the time Trump's campaign even got around to putting staff into the area. The last three Colorado delegates are so-called "super delegates", who go to the national convention with the ability to vote however they like.

For the record, there ended up being something like 619 or so candidates running for the 13 delegate slots at the convention. About 30% or so of those running were Cruz supporters. Only 7 percent were Trump supporters, and the rest were running as uncommitted. So without actually going and putting in the legwork, Trump didn't have a hope in Hell of taking home any of those delegate slots, no matter what else happened.

Now, at the convention, the candidates for the delegate slots are all assigned a number, and they appear on the ballot only by number, one assumes because 619 candidates would take up a lot of space. The party issued a program listing all the candidate names and numbers, but without any indication of who they were supporting. Apparently, the program was badly printed and the list stopped at #589 or thereabouts, requiring them to provide an amendment to post the rest of the names. One of the bitches by the Trump people is that "not everyone got that information", but since they put the correction up on two big-ass screens over the main stage and everyone else seemed to manage to figure it out, one wonders what the Trump people were doing with their time instead.

Various factions at the convention put together a favored slate of candidates according to whom they were supporting, and passed out printed guides as to who was on those slates. Trump's people put out printed sheets that contained numerous errors, such as mislabeling people with the wrong number. They issued corrections, which themselves were full of errors.

In addition to their fuck-up with the programs, the Colorado GOP also managed to include a typo in the ballot itself. One delegate number was left off, and in its place the previous delegate number was listed twice. Like I said, the Colorado GOP appears to have all the organizational skills of a middle school campaign for student body president.

Trump simply screwed up and is not about to admit it. Being an outsider he didn't and probably still doesn't understand how the delegate selection process actually works. Each of the states Republican Committees make up their own rules, changes them at will, interpret them and enforces them. They have always bent the rules and ignored them and this is news to Trump.

As an outsider in government, we can expect exactly the same behavior from Trump when he learns political deal making is nothing like business.

In Trump's current tirade about how unfairly he's being treated, change establishment and GOP to congress and the courts and you'll have a preview of Trump's weekly press conferences as president.

I can't accept that. He blasted Santorum back in 2012 for the exact same thing.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Again, I will gladly point out to the Trump Whiners who complain about "voice of the people" being ignored.... Trump currently has received 37% of the popular vote nationwide yet holds 45% of the delegates.... So you need to tell Mr. Trump that you support "voice of the people" in this process and he needs to release 8% of his delegates immediately.

Otherwise... Shut your pie hole!

Hey Boss, what was the vote count in Colorado? HINT - consider in your answer that there was NO vote in Colorado. How is that accounted for in
". Trump currently has received 37% of the popular vote nationwide yet holds 45% of the delegates..."?
I know you can see there is something wrong in Colorado.

What the fuck is wrong with you people, did you never study this stuff in high school? Each state has it's own rules for caucuses and primaries. There is not a ballot vote for candidates in Colorado. Previously, they have had "presidential preference" polls but delegates are not bound by those. In 2015, the Republican Party of Colorado decided not to have the preference polls and awarded the delegates through county caucuses.

Fact is, in MOST states, you do not vote directly for a candidate, you vote for their delegates... IF you vote at all. Some states hold caucuses.... some hold primaries. It's how the system works and how it's been working for as long as we've held presidential elections. You act like this is some kind of new unprecedented thing that just happened in Colorado because the GOP didn't want to count the votes or something.

If Trump had won the delegates in Colorado, there would have been absolutely nothing said about this. The ONLY REASON it is a story is because TRUMP started claiming outrage over the process... a process he knew full well was going to be as it was for the entirety of this campaign. He failed to secure the delegates through the process laid out by the state party and now he wants to cry foul. You abject MORONS join in the chorus because you're apparently ILLITERATE about how the process works. I learned about this stuff in 8th grade!

So why don't you morons go learn something about how we nominate candidates in America and shut the fuck up with your incessant whining and moaning. I can't help that you're an illiterate. I can't do anything about the rules of the Republican Party of Colorado. They don't ask me what I think, I don't get included in their decisions. Ted Cruz doesn't either. So what the fuck do you expect us to do about that? You think maybe Ted Cruz should refuse to accept Colorado's delegates or something? Maybe he should just resign from the party in protest? Is THAT what you expect to happen?

I totally don't get this! What the hell are you people expecting to happen here? You think if you bitch and moan enough, Colorado might change it's mind and hold a primary or something? I don't think any of this stuff is going to happen and I think you're all going to have to just grow the fuck up and learn to live with this. I don't know what else to tell you but the incessant whining and complaining isn't serving any purpose.

Boss, I left the Republican Party about 8 years ago for 2 main reasons- I no longer wanted to be associated with the religious right (their dogma was really creeping me out) and the leadership seemed spineless in the defense and advancement of conservative ideas, so I concluded there was no point. Cast my first vote for Ronnie R. and have never picked a Dem over a Rep since. I own guns and hate commies.

Here at ground zero in Colorado, there are a lot of Good conservative people pissed as hell about the shenanigans in the process. Call them whiny morons if you like, tell them they are too stupid to understand the process, say they are illiterate because they don't spend the time you do studying the system..........and then scratch your arrogant head in November wondering how a person like Hillary can become President.

The GOP is getting what it sows, and they have elitist intellectuals like you to carry their water for them. That's sad man.

Seems like what there are in Colorado are a bunch of lazy couch monkeys who think "shenanigans" is anything that requires them to actually pay attention, think, and put in a little effort, rather than just waking up one morning, going, "Oh, geez, there's a vote!" and trundling down to a polling place to fill in a bubble on a piece of paper for a name they barely recognize.

There at ground zero in Colorado, you had your chance for your precious vote last month, March 1. That's when their county precincts held caucuses for them to choose their delegates to the next level of meetings. All registered Republicans in the precinct were eligible to vote in those caucuses. There were notices sent out, as well as posted all over the web pages for the county GOPs, and has been for months.

So . . . who did you vote for at YOUR precinct caucus?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Cruz has already won countless challenges to that. If that's what you're strategy is relying on, you better have a plan B

Cruz hasn't won any challenges against him. The cases have been denied for various reasons, late filing, no standing. failure to serve, etc. Only a candidate will be able to pursue based on standing, or Congress can flat out deny him if he is elected.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I believe the courts recently put that challenge in file 13.

One court has ruled that Cruz is eligible.

Sure there will be other challenges. I am surprised that Trump hasn't really pushed harder on the issue- after all Trump is a huge Birther and has used the issue to remind Americans that Cruz was not born in the United States- which appeals to Trumps base.

It wasn't a court that said he was eligible, it was the states committee allowing him to be on the ballot in that state.

 

[sarahgop]

The requirement of a person running for President of the United States is that s/he be a natural born citizen. Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz is a natural born citizen of Alberta, Canada.

And if you think a Cruz nomination will not be challenged at the 11th hour by the left and their pocket liberal-majority on the USSC, eager to see one of their own take the empty Seat there for life to get a lock on their liberal majority for the next generation, you need to have your head examined.

http://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-canadian-citizen-415430 A growing number of constitutional law scholars are arguing that Ted Cruz’s birth in Canada makes him ineligible to become U.S. president...An increasing number of high-profile constitutional law professors, including one of Cruz's own professors from Harvard Law School, have in recent days argued publicly that Cruz's birth disqualifies him.... English common law was "unequivocal" on the subject, McManamon says: "Natural-born subjects had to be born in English territory."

Ultimately the USSC *sudden Decision* probably late this Summer or in September will be that what matters is the INTENT of the original law. The intent of course is to insure that because of the potential for foreign influence, the Office of POTUS must be completely scrubbed of potential for contamination. Other things that will be pondered as to this intent is also the requirement that a person reside continually within the US for a number of years just prior to running, in addition to being natural born.

For you see, the 14th Amendment means that even though it's "nice little ole' Canada" today, "born to a mommy born in the US"...tomorrow it can also legally be a Russian boy born to a Russian mother by a US-born serviceman on shore leave. And you cannot discriminate based on gender or country of origin, don't forget.

So, for the GOP to nominate (or to continue the charade further) with Ted Cruz would be political suicide. It's true that one of the two remaining "not Trump" candidates should leave the race so the other can legitimately finish off Trump. So let it be the one who isn't eligible to run anyway...

Cruz wont win a contested convention because everyone knows he is the one candidate that hillary can get 350+ electoral votes against

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Obama produced a Hawaiian birth certificate. Now whether or not it's authentic is up for grabs. But Cruz ACTUALLY PRODUCED A CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE...and does not denounce it! He can't singularly change the US Laws set up to protect our national security from the very earliest days simply because he wants what he wants..

And what U.S. law would that be?

What U.S. law says that a person born in Canada cannot be President?

I say this as someone who think Cruz is not qualified to be President.

The bone of contention is the meaning of the phrase "natural born" in the U.S. Constitution (that's the U.S. Law you're looking for), some Constitutional Scholars contend that it means born on U.S. soil based on the English Common Law meaning of the phrase, there is also the 1790 Naturalization Act which specifies that children born to at least one United States parent (even outside U.S. soil) are U.S. Citizens, however since they are only U.S. citizens because of this 1790 Act (an act of congress) that would make them NATURALIZED (by an act of congress) as opposed to NATURAL BORN (by an act of nature).

IMHO It's a rather prickly legal distinction but the OP has a point, there's a valid potential challenge to Cruz's eligibility if SCOTUS were to decide to take it up and a Cruz nomination does carry a risk that SCOTUS will do so and rule against him.

The 1790 required both parents to be US Citizens, not "at least one".

 

[MarcATL]

Which means they are totally full of crap. If you have evidence that destroys someone's candidacy you don't bluff them into withdrawing

This exists:

This also exists: (note the date of execution as 2014, near bottom)

Now: digest reality.

LoL!

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[Syriusly]

Cruz has already won countless challenges to that. If that's what you're strategy is relying on, you better have a plan B

Cruz hasn't won any challenges against him. The cases have been denied for various reasons, late filing, no standing. failure to serve, etc. Only a candidate will be able to pursue based on standing, or Congress can flat out deny him if he is elected.

Ted Cruz is an American and can appear on N.J. primary ballot, judge says
TRENTON - Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz is a "natural-born citizen" under the U.S. Constitution and therefore can run in the June 7 New Jersey primary, a state administrative law judge said Tuesday. "The more persuasive legal analysis is that such a child, born of a citizen-father, citizen-mother, or both, is indeed a 'natural born citizen' within the contemplation of the Constitution," Administrative Law Judge Jeff Masin wrote.

Seems like a win to me.

Cruz is eligible- just not qualified.

 

[Syriusly]

Obama produced a Hawaiian birth certificate. Now whether or not it's authentic is up for grabs. But Cruz ACTUALLY PRODUCED A CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE...and does not denounce it! He can't singularly change the US Laws set up to protect our national security from the very earliest days simply because he wants what he wants..

And what U.S. law would that be?

What U.S. law says that a person born in Canada cannot be President?

I say this as someone who think Cruz is not qualified to be President.

The bone of contention is the meaning of the phrase "natural born" in the U.S. Constitution (that's the U.S. Law you're looking for), some Constitutional Scholars contend that it means born on U.S. soil based on the English Common Law meaning of the phrase, there is also the 1790 Naturalization Act which specifies that children born to at least one United States parent (even outside U.S. soil) are U.S. Citizens, however since they are only U.S. citizens because of this 1790 Act (an act of congress) that would make them NATURALIZED (by an act of congress) as opposed to NATURAL BORN (by an act of nature).

IMHO It's a rather prickly legal distinction but the OP has a point, there's a valid potential challenge to Cruz's eligibility if SCOTUS were to decide to take it up and a Cruz nomination does carry a risk that SCOTUS will do so and rule against him.

The 1790 required both parents to be US Citizens, not "at least one".

Nope- no such requirement.

Of course the Act of 1790 was superceded by the Act of 1795, and that was also superceded.

But certainly the men who wrote the Act of 1790 knew what the Constitution meant by 'natural born citizen'- and had no objection to the idea that a child born overseas to citizens of the United States was a natural born citizen.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Cruz has already won countless challenges to that. If that's what you're strategy is relying on, you better have a plan B

Cruz hasn't won any challenges against him. The cases have been denied for various reasons, late filing, no standing. failure to serve, etc. Only a candidate will be able to pursue based on standing, or Congress can flat out deny him if he is elected.

Ted Cruz is an American and can appear on N.J. primary ballot, judge says
TRENTON - Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz is a "natural-born citizen" under the U.S. Constitution and therefore can run in the June 7 New Jersey primary, a state administrative law judge said Tuesday. "The more persuasive legal analysis is that such a child, born of a citizen-father, citizen-mother, or both, is indeed a 'natural born citizen' within the contemplation of the Constitution," Administrative Law Judge Jeff Masin wrote.

Seems like a win to me.

Cruz is eligible- just not qualified.

All the administrative law judge did was state that Cruz was allowed to be on the state ballot, his opinion that Cruz is a "natural-born citizen" is just his opinion. He goes on to state:

Masin wrote in a 26-page decision that the issue of whether a child born outside the U.S. to an American citizen is eligible to be president "can never be entirely free of doubt, at least barring a definitive ruling" of the U.S. Supreme Court.​

Again, all it did was qualify Cruz on the States ballot.

You should follow the links and read the full story instead of misleading snippets.
Ted Cruz is an American and can appear on N.J. primary ballot, judge says