Vandalshandle
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I have no problem with the ACLU's legal challenges against government abuse of power when they create unconstitutional laws. There is a legal way to change the constitution, without trampling on it.
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Where have walls or fences anywhere in the world worked?
Take away the freebies, and chronically unemployed Americans will drive them across the border as they scramble to get jobs formerly too hard for Americans to do in an attempt to avoid starvation.Take away the freebies, legalize marijuana, and the problem goes away.
Claymores work, and we have plenty.Walls work all over the world..... ... govt simply doesnt want them too so it puts out garbage excuses like this
Jail the owners, and let the Americans that won't do the jobs the illegals now perform either work or starve.Securing our borders would be easy if the people coming here knew they couldn't get jobs. They get jobs because people hire them knowing they are illegal and work for cheap. Stop that practice and they will stop coming. We won't stop the practice because we are not willing to jail the owners of the business owners who profit from the illegals coming here. It really is that simple.
Workshy Americans on welfare create the problem, don't kid yourself.Estimates of completing the 1,400 miles of border fence that remain fence free range from a low of 23 billion dollars to a high of 49 billion dollars. That does not include things like monitoring, radar, watch towers manpower, drones, etc. All that for a system that may not be efficient. Spend less than a billion accountents, prosecutors and prison cells for the folks who hire illegals and we can save wheel barrels and tractor trailer loads of money. Heck, we could make the program pay for itself with fines levied against the criminals who create the problem.
Soviets fence and mined thousands of miles of border.Where have walls or fences anywhere in the world worked?Walls work all over the world..... ... govt simply doesnt want them too so it puts out garbage excuses like this
They seem to work in most every place that they are manned and properly maintained.
Jail the owners, and let the Americans that won't do the jobs the illegals now perform either work or starve.Securing our borders would be easy if the people coming here knew they couldn't get jobs. They get jobs because people hire them knowing they are illegal and work for cheap. Stop that practice and they will stop coming. We won't stop the practice because we are not willing to jail the owners of the business owners who profit from the illegals coming here. It really is that simple.
Wont work because for every 20 foot fence someone's making 21 foot ladders. Short of mining the border and placing guard towers with shoot to kill orders, fences don't work.
No, illegal aliens wiling to work for less is the problem.Workshy Americans on welfare create the problem, don't kid yourself.Estimates of completing the 1,400 miles of border fence that remain fence free range from a low of 23 billion dollars to a high of 49 billion dollars. That does not include things like monitoring, radar, watch towers manpower, drones, etc. All that for a system that may not be efficient. Spend less than a billion accountents, prosecutors and prison cells for the folks who hire illegals and we can save wheel barrels and tractor trailer loads of money. Heck, we could make the program pay for itself with fines levied against the criminals who create the problem.
Wont work because for every 20 foot fence someone's making 21 foot ladders. Short of mining the border and placing guard towers with shoot to kill orders, fences don't work.
Funny, on the border with San Diego a double layered wall was installed and it cut illegal immigration back to a trickle. The double layered wall on the most porous areas of the border would do the same. Electrify it with a non-lethal zap and it would do the trick. No need for land mines or shoot to kill orders. A good physical barrier would help the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively.
Wont work because for every 20 foot fence someone's making 21 foot ladders. Short of mining the border and placing guard towers with shoot to kill orders, fences don't work.
Funny, on the border with San Diego a double layered wall was installed and it cut illegal immigration back to a trickle. The double layered wall on the most porous areas of the border would do the same. Electrify it with a non-lethal zap and it would do the trick. No need for land mines or shoot to kill orders. A good physical barrier would help the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively.
Better way is to simply create a genuine disincentive to immigrating illegally as with more severe penalties for employers who hire illegals, and things on that end of it. If no one's willing to hire you your reason for coming here evaporates.
Wont work because for every 20 foot fence someone's making 21 foot ladders. Short of mining the border and placing guard towers with shoot to kill orders, fences don't work.
Funny, on the border with San Diego a double layered wall was installed and it cut illegal immigration back to a trickle. The double layered wall on the most porous areas of the border would do the same. Electrify it with a non-lethal zap and it would do the trick. No need for land mines or shoot to kill orders. A good physical barrier would help the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively.
Better way is to simply create a genuine disincentive to immigrating illegally as with more severe penalties for employers who hire illegals, and things on that end of it. If no one's willing to hire you your reason for coming here evaporates.
I agree but it needs to go further than that. All benefits to illegal aliens need to be removed and birthright citizenship needs to change. They can come here now and give birth on our soil and collect all kinds of welfare benefits through them. Work a few odd jobs under the table and they can survive with both.
Wont work because for every 20 foot fence someone's making 21 foot ladders. Short of mining the border and placing guard towers with shoot to kill orders, fences don't work.
Funny, on the border with San Diego a double layered wall was installed and it cut illegal immigration back to a trickle. The double layered wall on the most porous areas of the border would do the same. Electrify it with a non-lethal zap and it would do the trick. No need for land mines or shoot to kill orders. A good physical barrier would help the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively.
Better way is to simply create a genuine disincentive to immigrating illegally as with more severe penalties for employers who hire illegals, and things on that end of it. If no one's willing to hire you your reason for coming here evaporates.
I agree but it needs to go further than that. All benefits to illegal aliens need to be removed and birthright citizenship needs to change. They can come here now and give birth on our soil and collect all kinds of welfare benefits through them. Work a few odd jobs under the table and they can survive with both.
If that's all they're doing I could give a shit. That makes non-citizenship a mere technicality. American labor benefits from illegal immigrant labor. Until that changes, nothing done to fight illegal immigration can work because the benefit outweighs the risk. Eliminate the benefit and suddenly the risk outweighs the benefit. But going after illegal immigrant rights absent going after business is simply persecuting honest workers living within the law but for how they got here. And in a very hypocritical way. We accept the labor help from illegals, yet punish them for being illegals. That's unfair and not a good way of doing things for a country that claims it's a glboal force for good.
Soviets fence and mined thousands of miles of border.Where have walls or fences anywhere in the world worked?Walls work all over the world..... ... govt simply doesnt want them too so it puts out garbage excuses like this
They seem to work in most every place that they are manned and properly maintained.
Worked pretty well.
Wont work because for every 20 foot fence someone's making 21 foot ladders. Short of mining the border and placing guard towers with shoot to kill orders, fences don't work.
Funny, on the border with San Diego a double layered wall was installed and it cut illegal immigration back to a trickle. The double layered wall on the most porous areas of the border would do the same. Electrify it with a non-lethal zap and it would do the trick. No need for land mines or shoot to kill orders. A good physical barrier would help the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively.
Wont work because for every 20 foot fence someone's making 21 foot ladders. Short of mining the border and placing guard towers with shoot to kill orders, fences don't work.
Funny, on the border with San Diego a double layered wall was installed and it cut illegal immigration back to a trickle. The double layered wall on the most porous areas of the border would do the same. Electrify it with a non-lethal zap and it would do the trick. No need for land mines or shoot to kill orders. A good physical barrier would help the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively.
Better way is to simply create a genuine disincentive to immigrating illegally as with more severe penalties for employers who hire illegals, and things on that end of it. If no one's willing to hire you your reason for coming here evaporates.
I agree but it needs to go further than that. All benefits to illegal aliens need to be removed and birthright citizenship needs to change. They can come here now and give birth on our soil and collect all kinds of welfare benefits through them. Work a few odd jobs under the table and they can survive with both.
If that's all they're doing I could give a shit. That makes non-citizenship a mere technicality. American labor benefits from illegal immigrant labor. Until that changes, nothing done to fight illegal immigration can work because the benefit outweighs the risk. Eliminate the benefit and suddenly the risk outweighs the benefit. But going after illegal immigrant rights absent going after business is simply persecuting honest workers living within the law but for how they got here. And in a very hypocritical way. We accept the labor help from illegals, yet punish them for being illegals. That's unfair and not a good way of doing things for a country that claims it's a glboal force for good.
How does the American laborer benefit from illegal alien labor? You're not making any sense here. Who is suggesting that we only go after the illegal aliens without going after the employers also? Hint... no one! Honest workers? They are either working with a fake or stolen ID or working under the table and not paying income taxes. Their first dishonest act was crossing our border illegally in the first place. Who is this "we" you are referring to? Most Americans do not employ them all they get is an increase in their taxes supporting their social costs. Not to mention the loss of jobs and reduced wages. I guess you don't care about the unfairness to the American worker/taxpayer. You care only for these immigration lawbreakers. Why do you love these foreigners more than your fellow law abiding citizens? Every country in the world has immigration laws and for good reasons. How is it unfair to enforce them?
Better way is to simply create a genuine disincentive to immigrating illegally as with more severe penalties for employers who hire illegals, and things on that end of it. If no one's willing to hire you your reason for coming here evaporates.