Zone1 Why Whites make fun of reperations?

[Mr Natural]

No, you were compensated for your labour.

Not nearly enough.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You have a family housed.

Maybe, and for how long? It's a very short term project that doesn't do much good.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

No doubt you'll deny this as well.

How slavery became America’s first big business​

How slavery became America’s first big business ​

Historian and author Edward E. Baptist explains how slavery helped the US go from a “colonial economy to the second biggest industrial power in the world.”​

Now you’re talking about something else entirely. You’ve been saying the U.S. economy grew because of the cheap labor of slavery. Now you’re talking about the business of slavery itself.

No doubt slavery was a big business and enabled a low overhead cost for cotton and tobacco growers but as I said, the U.S. economy would have prospered anyway, even without slaves.

There are/were many factors that contributed to American prosperity and slavery was only one of them. In addition, the mass influx of immigrants in the 1910s through the 1930s and the continuing influx up to today of those looking for a better life cannot be attributed to slavery when its abolition occurred thirty to forty years before.

America would have prospered anyway despite slavery and the subsequent marginalization of blacks and, more importantly, I would still have had to put in the same time, training and work to get where I am.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So we can pretend it didn't really happen. Fair enough.

edit...Too, we can extend that to say Blacks aren't politically relevant enough to be able to compel reparations.

No,it happened, but it was a very minor event, done for political reasons in the middle of a war.

 

[cnm]

Maybe, and for how long? It's a very short term project that doesn't do much good.

You have no idea of any details apart from your imagination.

 

[cnm]

In addition, the mass influx of immigrants in the 1910s through the 1930s and the continuing influx up to today of those looking for a better life cannot be attributed to slavery when its abolition occurred thirty to forty years before.

You really don't understand the meaning of words, do you? How was the base for a better life established?

 

[cnm]

America would have prospered anyway despite slavery

Lol. Sure. Nothing worth seceeding over, no way, no sirree.

 

[cnm]

No doubt slavery was a big business and enabled a low overhead cost for cotton and tobacco growers but as I said, the U.S. economy would have prospered anyway, even without slaves.

As you plucked that from your arse, you mean.

“In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,” Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. “… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.”​

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

The slave economy of the southern states had ripple effects throughout the entire US economy, with plenty of merchants in New York City, Boston, and elsewhere helping to organize the trade of slave-grown agricultural commodities—and enjoying plenty of riches as a result.

www.forbes.com

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[frigidweirdo]

You have no idea of any details apart from your imagination.

It's pretty much logical.

You want a thing in place where you just start handing out money to people.

What Percentage of Lottery Winners Go Broke?

What Percentage of Lottery Winners Go Broke? Going from nothing to having everything. Statistical data from the National Endowment for Financial Education shows that, believe it or not, 70% of lottery winners go bankrupt and a third even file for bankruptcy. What percentage of lottery winners go...

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"Statistical data from the National Endowment for Financial Education shows that, believe it or not, 70% of lottery winners go bankrupt and a third even file for bankruptcy."

Here's why lottery winners go broke

"If you're not disciplined, you will go broke. I don't care how much money you have."

www.cnbc.com

"Lottery winners are more likely to declare bankruptcy within three to five years than the average American."

You can win a billion and still go bankrupt

A winner has emerged in an enormous US lottery jackpot. But what happens to all that money and the "lucky" ticket holder? Research suggests it’s often not what you’d expect.

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"Economists Guido Imbens and Bruce Sacerdote and statistician Donald Rubin showed in a 2001 paper that people tend to spend unexpected windfalls. Looking at lottery winners approximately 10 years after winning showed they saved just 16 cents of every dollar won."

Why do so many NFL players go bankrupt?

Players in the NFL should never go bankrupt, but they do. And economists are struggling to explain why.

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"However, when the researchers looked at what actually happens, they found that approximately 2 percent of players have filed for bankruptcy within just two years of retirement, and more than 15 percent file within 12 years after retirement."

Why do so many footballers end up broke? FourFourTwo investigates...

It’s the unseen epidemic: the game’s young, rich and famous ending up penniless. Alec Fenn investigates how excess, addiction and divorce is leading former millionaires to financial ruin

www.fourfourtwo.com

"Why do so many footballers end up broke? FourFourTwo investigates..."

The reality is that a sudden influx of money, causes people to act badly. A lot of the people who'd get this money, would simply spend it all without thinking.
If you put in place a policy that actually gave them jobs, gave them the education they need to get jobs, gave them some kind of security for them to make mistakes in their life, and then still be able to get their life back on track... rather than doing something WE KNOW IS GOING TO FAIL.

 

[el midgetron]

Africa first. Slavery continued well into the 20th century in some African countries. If any country should dole out reparations it should start with the most recent to abolish.

 

[DudleySmith]

braham Lincoln's chief goal in the American Civil War was to preserve the Union.

You forgot to add 'and tax the shit out of Southerners to pay for corporate welfare programs that only benefited northern economic interests and protectionism for northern manufacturers, and free land and subsidies for big railroads."

 

[Mac-7]

That is the most normal thing, didnt Germany pay reperations to Jews and the Allies as well? If they commited genocide, slavery etc. they should pay reperations no? Why is that funny?

Mind your own business Mortimer

 

[DudleySmith]

The reason Lincoln needed to maintain a Union was because southern states seceded to hold on to the institution of slavery.

No way. They had already won all the battles over slavery, and Chief Justice Taney was still in control of the Supreme Court. Slavery was in no danger. Lincoln himself said he wasn't starting a war over slavery. He wanted massive tariffs and huge giveaways to railroads and bankers, is all; he was a big fan of the old Whig 'American system'.

Roger B. Taney - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The North had almost as many slave states as the south did. lol

 

[AZrailwhale]

No way. They had already won all the battles over slavery, and Chief Justice Taney was still in control of the Supreme Court. Slavery was in no danger. Lincoln himself said he wasn't starting a war over slavery. He wanted massive tariffs and huge giveaways to railroads and bankers, is all; he was a big fan of the old Whig 'American system'.

Roger B. Taney - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The North had almost as many slave states as the south did. lol

No, the South had lost the ultimate battle when it lost control of the federal government to the free states. The slave states had worn out their soil and the government had made it clear that there would never be another slave state admitted to the Union. The slave states were stuck with a lot of very expensive slaves who farmed soil that got less productive every time a crop was planted. With the fixed costs of slaves, plantation owners couldn’t afford to let fields lie fallow, or plant them in nitrogen fixing crops to renew the soil. The only solution was to move south; turning Mexico into new slave states which was impossible while the slave states were part of the Union.

 

[ninja007]

im2 pretending to be offended by white racism.. yet he is not even black lol lol lool lolololol

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You really don't understand the meaning of words, do you?

What words are you referring to?

How was the base for a better life established?

Technological and industrial innovation, hard work, a can-do attitude, new opportunities, plentiful resources, rising demand of American exports, etc., etc..

Things really took off in the late forties and fifties which was eighty years after the abolition of slavery.

Slavery was heinous enough by itself without ascribing guilt based on unnamed and unspecified sins to all future generations of white people. As I said, it is ignorant and lazy and is a cheap tool for virtue signallers.

I had nothing to do with slavery nor did I have anything to do with the marginalization of blacks. Because of this, I am not in favor of being punished by having my tax dollars used for a program that will have no useful or practical effect. Believe me, if reparations comes to pass, it will accomplish nothing.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Lol. Sure. Nothing worth seceeding over, no way, no sirree.

Irrelevant.

 

[DudleySmith]

No, the South had lost the ultimate battle when it lost control of the federal government to the free states. The slave states had worn out their soil and the government had made it clear that there would never be another slave state admitted to the Union. The slave states were stuck with a lot of very expensive slaves who farmed soil that got less productive every time a crop was planted. With the fixed costs of slaves, plantation owners couldn’t afford to let fields lie fallow, or plant them in nitrogen fixing crops to renew the soil. The only solution was to move south; turning Mexico into new slave states which was impossible while the slave states were part of the Union.

The spread of slavery was stopped by geography, and everybody knew it, and knew it by 1845. The Cotton Kingdom had reached it's natural boundaries with the admission of Texas, and even there it never got past the far eastern part of the state. Cotton is still being grown in the South, so I don't know where you get your info. It's easy enough to follow the secession crisis, and slavery wasn't the cause, north or south. It was a universally known fact it wasn't about slavery.The only member of Lincoln's Cabinet who was an abolitionist was Seward, and he opposed the war.


"But what am I to do in the meantime with those men at Montgomery [meaning the Confederate constitutional convention]? Am I to let them go on... [a]nd open Charleston, etc., as ports of entry, with their ten-percent tariff. What, then, would become of my tariff?" ~ Lincoln to Colonel John B. Baldwin, deputized by the Virginian Commissioners to determine whether Lincoln would use force, April 4, 1861.

"Union means so many millions a year lost to the South; secession means the loss of the same millions to the North. The love of money is the root of this as of many other evils....The quarrel between the North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel".... Charles Dickens in a London periodical in December 1861

"The contest is really for empire on the side of the North and for independence on that of the South....". ..... London Times of 7 Nov 1861

"Slavery is not the cause of the rebellion ....Slavery is the pretext on which the leaders of the rebellion rely, 'to fire the Southern Heart' and through which the greatest degree of unanimity can be produced....Mr. Calhoun, after finding that the South could not be brought into sufficient unanimity by a clamor about the tariff, selected slavery as the better subject for agitation"..... North American Review (Boston October 1862)

"They [the South] know that it is their import trade that draws from the people's pockets sixty or seventy millions of dollars per annum, in the shape of duties, to be expended mainly in the North, and in the protection and encouragement of Northern interests....These are the reasons why these people [the North] do not wish the South to secede from the Union." ..... New Orleans Daily Crescent 21 January 1861

"In one single blow our foreign commerce must be reduced to less than one-half what it now is. Our coastwise trade would pass into other hands. One-half of our shipping would lie idle at our wharves. We should lose our trade with the South, with all of its immense profits. Our manufactories would be in utter ruins. Let the South adopt the free-trade system, or that of a tariff for revenue, and these results would likely follow." .... Chicago Daily Times December 1860

"At once shut down every Southern port, destroy its commerce and bring utter ruin on the Confederate States." ..... NY Times 22 March 1861

"the mask has been thrown off and it is apparent that the people of the principal seceding states are now for commercial independence. They dream that the centres of traffic can be changed from Northern to Southern ports....by a revenue system verging on free trade...." .... Boston Transcript 18 March 1861

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"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it should fail ; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. "
Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to Gustavus Fox, May 1, 1861

"The affair at Fort Sumter, it seems to us, has been planned as a means by which the war feeling at the North should be intensified, and the administration thus receive popular support for its policy.... If the armament which lay outside the harbor, while the fort was being battered to pieces [the US ship The Harriet Lane, and seven other reinforcement ships], had been designed for the relief of Major Anderson, it certainly would have made a show of fulfilling its mission. But it seems plain to us that no such design was had. The administration, virtually, to use a homely illustration, stood at Sumter like a boy with a chip on his shoulder, daring his antagonist to knock it off. The Carolinians have knocked off the chip. War is inaugurated, and the design of the administration accomplished." ~ The Buffalo Daily Courier, April 16, 1861.

"We have no doubt, and all the circumstances prove, that it was a cunningly devised scheme, contrived with all due attention to scenic display and intended to arouse, and, if possible, exasperate the northern people against the South.... We venture to say a more gigantic conspiracy against the principles of human liberty and freedom has never been concocted. Who but a fiend could have thought of sacrificing the gallant Major Anderson and his little band in order to carry out a political game? Yet there he was compelled to stand for thirty-six hours amid a torrent of fire and shell, while the fleet sent to assist him, coolly looked at his flag of distress and moved not to his assistance! Why did they not? Perhaps the archives in Washington will yet tell the tale of this strange proceeding.... Pause then, and consider before you endorse these mad men who are now, under pretense of preserving the Union, doing the very thing that must forever divide it." ~ The New York Evening Day-Book, April 17, 1861.

10 years after Kansas-Nebraska, the Census found a whopping 9 slaves in the entire territory. So much for the myth of slavery flooding into the new states. See also Daniel Webster's battles over the Wilmot PRoviso and why he didn't care about the slavery issue in New Mexico and the West in general. See also Walther Prescott Webb's The Great Plains for an even more detailed study of the limits of the Cotton Kingdom.

 

[cnm]

You forgot to add 'and tax the shit out of Southerners to pay for corporate welfare programs that only benefited northern economic interests and protectionism for northern manufacturers, and free land and subsidies for big railroads."

I could tell you are from a slave state.

 

[DudleySmith]

I could tell you are from a slave state.

You mean you could tell I know more history than you do.