Why wouldn't an LGBT festival patronize an LGBT business for T-shirts?

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Court Says Religious Freedom Gives T-Shirt Company The Right To Discriminate Against LGBT Group ThinkProgress

The case in question dates back to 2012, when Hands On Originals and its owner, Blaine Adamson, refused to produce T-shirts for the the Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO), which coordinates the Lexington Pride Festival. GLSO filed a complaint, and the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission ruled that Hands On Originals (HOO) violated the city’s nondiscrimination order, which protects sexual orientation.

But Kentucky Circuit Court Judge James Ishmael overturned the Commission’s ruling, arguing that it impeded HOO’s freedoms of speech and religion. In terms of speech, Ishmael reasoned that the decision not to print was not because of the sexual orientation of GLSO or its members, but because the Pride Festival advocates “sexual activity outside of a marriage between one man and one woman.” In other words, that message, though inherent to the identity of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, overrides the right of those people to be protected from discrimination.

Moreover, Ishmael ruled that the Commission’s ruling violates HOO’s protections under Kentucky’s “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” (RFRA), passed in 2013. The law, a simpler version of the more controversial bills introduced recently in Indiana, Arkansas, and other states, states that “government shall not substantially burden a person’s freedom of religion” except under limited circumstances. As Ishmael noted, Kentucky’s definition of “person” includes corporate bodies and other companies, so HOO was entitled to assert a claim under RFRA. “The Commission’s Order substantially burdens HOO’s and its owners’ free exercise of religion,” he wrote, “wherein the government (Commission) punished HOO and its owners by its order for exercising their sincerely held religious beliefs.” Because the shop would have been forced to “print shirts that convey messages contrary to their faith,” the Order “inflicts a substantial burden on their free exercise of religion.”

Ishmael was not convinced that preventing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation constituted a “compelling government interest.” This was, in part, because GLSO was able to get shirts printed elsewhere, thus their rights were not infringed.
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Is this ridiculous or what?

Couldn't this whole lawsuit be prevented by patronizing gay-friendly businesses who ought to be supported if that is what the message is about!

If this is just part of the learning curve, to leave a legal footprint in courts and legislatures until these issues are finally settled, I look forward to the happy ending to this process but don't approve of the costs in the meantime. At least civil lawsuits are better than physical protests and violent confrontations.

If this is the civilized version of fighting out wars of ideologies, I guess it's better than physical combat?
 
The T-Shirt company cannot discriminate against gay people. But it can choose not to write any pro-gay messages on their shirts. If gay people are upset about that then tough shit.
 
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Poor ruling but that's how the process works.
Why do you think it was a poor ruling? Free speech is protected. This was not a case of discrimination.
I disagree. There was no valid reason not to do what they do, print shirts.

Free Speech is standing on your soapbox on the corner, not refusing to do your job.
You're ridiculous.
Not at all. Business is business, neither faith nor church. There is no free speech at work. If you wish to speak your mind, do it on your time and not my dime.
 
Poor ruling but that's how the process works.
Why do you think it was a poor ruling? Free speech is protected. This was not a case of discrimination.
I disagree. There was no valid reason not to do what they do, print shirts.

Free Speech is standing on your soapbox on the corner, not refusing to do your job.

So PaintMyHouse if a videographer is asked to film pornography,
they have no right to decline the business?

They have to shoot whatever sex or violent message you ask them to film
as long as they pay you?

Does a recording artist have to record any song someone asks them to sing?
Does an actor have to play any role someone wants to hire them to play?

Where does this end?

Does a lawyer have any right to remove themselves off a case if they no longer wish to serve a client?

Free Speech Lawsuit By Student Forced to Cheer Rapist Found Not Frivolous Fractals

If you mean that once you accept to work at a business and the business asks you
to do some things, then yes, you can get fired for not wanting to do what they hire you to do.

But here, even this case of a cheerleader who is normally required to cheer as part of the duties assigned by the school, was permitted to sue when it came to being forced to cheer her assailant.

Common sense and civility does have a place in law.

If you look up the case of William Penn, even though the local laws were clear, and he was unquestionably guilty of violating laws that declared his preaching illegal,
the JURY in his case refused to convict him, and voted by conscience to NULLIFY the law
in support of Constitutional laws of religious freedom they felt the law violated.

People have that authority to consent or dissent to laws. We don't have to act as automatons
following judges blindly like the church structure of letting priests and popes dictate for us.
 
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Poor ruling but that's how the process works.
Why do you think it was a poor ruling? Free speech is protected. This was not a case of discrimination.
I disagree. There was no valid reason not to do what they do, print shirts.

Free Speech is standing on your soapbox on the corner, not refusing to do your job.
You're ridiculous.
Not at all. Business is business, neither faith nor church. There is no free speech at work. If you wish to speak your mind, do it on your time and not my dime.
Well the law disagrees. So that sucks for you. Good thing you don't get to write or judge laws. :thup:
 
Poor ruling but that's how the process works.
Why do you think it was a poor ruling? Free speech is protected. This was not a case of discrimination.
I disagree. There was no valid reason not to do what they do, print shirts.

Free Speech is standing on your soapbox on the corner, not refusing to do your job.

So PaintMyHouse if a videographer is asked to film pornography,
they have no right to decline the business?

They have to shoot whatever sex or violent message you ask them to film
as long as they pay you?

Does a recording artist have to record any song someone asks them to sing?
Does an actor have to play any role someone wants to hire them to play?

Where does this end?

Does a lawyer have any right to remove themselves off a case if they no longer wish to serve a client?
Must you be so verbose? Don't be.

And what you do for a living is almost never an act of faith, so do your fucking job and shut up about it.
 
Poor ruling but that's how the process works.
Why do you think it was a poor ruling? Free speech is protected. This was not a case of discrimination.
I disagree. There was no valid reason not to do what they do, print shirts.

Free Speech is standing on your soapbox on the corner, not refusing to do your job.
You're ridiculous.
Not at all. Business is business, neither faith nor church. There is no free speech at work. If you wish to speak your mind, do it on your time and not my dime.
Well the law disagrees. So that sucks for you. Good thing you don't get to write or judge laws. :thup:
In most cases I win, as I will in this one, eventually. I am unconcerned, just making comment.
 
If there is a L/G/Whatever Tee Shirt outfit within a thousand miles why does this group not give its business to support one of it's own?
 
VICTORY!

Yet another spark of decency on the judiciary. An attack upon the innocent has been turned back and decisively.

"A Christian printer who was previously found guilty of discrimination for refusing to print T-shirts for a gay pride parade won big Monday after a court ruled that he can decline to print messages that run in opposition to his religious views.

The Fayette County Circuit Court’s ruling overturned a previous decision by the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission, finding that Blaine Adamson, owner of Lexington printing company Hands On Originals, was within his rights when he declined to make shirts for the Lexington Pride Parade, according to a release from Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal firm.

The court found that Adamson did not violate the law in citing his religious convictions as the reason for the refusal, and that his decision was based on his personal freedom not to be forced or coerced to print messages that contradict his views.


“The court rightly recognized that the law protects Blaine’s decision not to print shirts with messages that conflict with his beliefs, and that no sufficient reason exists for the government to coerce Blaine to act against his conscience in this way,” Alliance Defending Freedom attorney Jim Campbell said in a statement.

He added, “In short, [Hands On Originals'] declination to print the shirts was based upon the message of [Gay and Lesbian Services Organization of Lexington] and the Pride Festival and not on the sexual orientation of its representatives or members.”

As TheBlaze previously reported, Adamson’s case began when he refused service to the Gay and Lesbian Services Organization of Lexington and the organization subsequently filed a complaint against Hands on Originals in March 2012, alleging that he had discriminated based on sexual orientation. ..."

Christian Printer Punished by the Gov t for Refusing to Print Gay Pride T-Shirts Just Scored a Major Victory TheBlaze.com



 
Why should it need to? A T-shirt is a T-shirt in this case.

Need to?

No need - but it seems rather foolish to pay good money to somebody you don't like when there's somebody you love so close to hand. Amazing that the urge to grandstand overcomes any thought of supporting a business of your own convictions.

Hate does do strange things, though, as you have so often shown us.
 
Why should it need to? A T-shirt is a T-shirt in this case.

Need to?

No need - but it seems rather foolish to pay good money to somebody you don't like when there's somebody you love so close to hand. Amazing that the urge to grandstand overcomes any thought of supporting a business of your own convictions.

Hate does do strange things, though, as you have so often shown us.
Hatred is what evil is deserving of...
 
I loved the fact that these women stood up for Blaine. Kudos! Cheers!
They get "it".

"This is the very issue that was also raised last year by Kathy Trautvetter and Diane DiGeloromo, a lesbian couple who own and operate BMP T-shirts, a New Jersey-based printing company.

Trautvetter told TheBlaze that she and DiGeloromo — who spoke with TheBlaze.com and appeared onThe Glenn Beck Program — launched their part-time business back in 2003 when they began doing graphic design and visual arts work for gay pride events.

Despite disagreeing on the finer details surrounding homosexuality, they support Adamson’s right to defend his Christian views and his business.

“The idea is that when you own your own business, it’s your own art and creation — it’s very personal … it takes a long time to build a business,” Trautvetter said.

“When someone wants to force you to go against it — that’s what stuck me right in the heart. I really felt for Blaine.”

Bravo!

Christian Printer Punished by the Gov t for Refusing to Print Gay Pride T-Shirts Just Scored a Major Victory TheBlaze.com
 
Free Speech is standing on your soapbox on the corner, not refusing to do your job.

So PaintMyHouse if a videographer is asked to film pornography,
they have no right to decline the business?

They have to shoot whatever sex or violent message you ask them to film
as long as they pay you?

Does a recording artist have to record any song someone asks them to sing?
Does an actor have to play any role someone wants to hire them to play?

Where does this end?

Does a lawyer have any right to remove themselves off a case if they no longer wish to serve a client?[/QUOTE]
Must you be so verbose? Don't be.

And what you do for a living is almost never an act of faith, so do your fucking job and shut up about it.[/QUOTE]

Can you answer the questions PaintMyHouse


So PaintMyHouse even if no faith is involved:

1. if a videographer is asked to film pornography,
they have no right to decline the business?

They have to shoot whatever sex or violent message you ask them to film
as long as they pay you to do the job?

2. Does a recording artist have to record any song someone asks them to sing?
Does an actor have to play any role someone wants to hire them to play?

3. Does a lawyer have any right to remove themselves off a case if they no longer wish to serve a client?

And bonus question:
4. if prostitution is legal as in Nevada, and someone is a sex worker,
is that person required to service someone of the same gender
or do they have the right to accept or refuse business from any clients who ask them?
 
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Poor ruling but that's how the process works.
Why do you think it was a poor ruling? Free speech is protected. This was not a case of discrimination.
I disagree. There was no valid reason not to do what they do, print shirts.

Free Speech is standing on your soapbox on the corner, not refusing to do your job.

So PaintMyHouse if a videographer is asked to film pornography,
they have no right to decline the business?

They have to shoot whatever sex or violent message you ask them to film
as long as they pay you?

Does a recording artist have to record any song someone asks them to sing?
Does an actor have to play any role someone wants to hire them to play?

Where does this end?

Does a lawyer have any right to remove themselves off a case if they no longer wish to serve a client?
Must you be so verbose? Don't be.

And what you do for a living is almost never an act of faith, so do your fucking job and shut up about it.

Can you answer the questions PaintMyHouse


So PaintMyHouse
1. if a videographer is asked to film pornography,
they have no right to decline the business?

They have to shoot whatever sex or violent message you ask them to film
as long as they pay you?

2. Does a recording artist have to record any song someone asks them to sing?
Does an actor have to play any role someone wants to hire them to play?

3. Does a lawyer have any right to remove themselves off a case if they no longer wish to serve a client?
Let's simplify, do I have the right to refuse to sell gas to a ******, a Jew, a ****, a Wetback, a Whop, a Chink, a Faggot? Yes, or no?
 

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