WikiLeaks to Publish 3700 Israeli Cables

[P F Tinmore]

Over the past year which US policies have the Arabs sampled been most disappointed with?

Palestine/Israel... 61%

"Palestine" doesn't appear on this UN map, boozer...
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


Maybe, it's because "Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948.

Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...

The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

Keep drinking, Jihadi Georgie. Hiccup.

Maybe, it's because "Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948.

Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Article I

With a view to promoting the return to permanent peace in Palestine and in recognition of the importance in this regard of mutual assurances concerning the future military operations of the Parties, the following principles, which shall be fully observed by both Parties during the Armistice, are hereby affirmed:

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

 

[Marc39]

Over the past year which US policies have the Arabs sampled been most disappointed with?

Palestine/Israel... 61%

"Palestine" doesn't appear on this UN map, boozer...
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


Maybe, it's because "Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948.

Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...


Keep drinking, Jihadi Georgie. Hiccup.

Maybe, it's because "Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948.

Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Article I

With a view to promoting the return to permanent peace [SIZE=""]in Palestine[/SIZE] and in recognition of the importance in this regard of mutual assurances concerning the future military operations of the Parties, the following principles, which shall be fully observed by both Parties during the Armistice, are hereby affirmed:

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Eugene Rostow, Legal scholar, Former Dean of the Yale Law School, Under Secretary of State in the Johnson administration, US State Dept Legal Advisor, Drafter of UN Res. 242 pertaining to Israeli land in the West Bank...

The British Mandate recognized the right of the Jewish people to "close settlement" in the whole of the Mandated territory. The Jewish right of settlement in Palestine west of the Jordan river, that is, in Israel, the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, was made unassailable. That right has never been terminated and cannot be terminated except by a recognized peace between Israel and its neighbors. And perhaps not even then, in view of Article 80 of the U.N. Charter, "the Palestine article," which provides that "nothing in the Charter shall be construed ... to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments....

The mandate implicitly denies Arab claims to national political rights in the area in favor of the Jews; the mandated territory was in effect reserved to the Jewish people for their self-determination and political development, in acknowledgment of the historic connection of the Jewish people to the land. Lord Curzon, who was then the British Foreign Minister, made this reading of the mandate explicit. There remains simply the theory that the Arab inhabitants of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have an inherent 'natural law' claim to the area. Neither customary international law nor the United Nations Charter acknowledges that every group of people claiming to be a nation has the right to a state of its own.

Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Palestine" doesn't appear on this UN map, boozer...
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


Maybe, it's because "Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948.

Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...


Keep drinking, Jihadi Georgie. Hiccup.

Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Article I

With a view to promoting the return to permanent peace [SIZE=""]in Palestine[/SIZE] and in recognition of the importance in this regard of mutual assurances concerning the future military operations of the Parties, the following principles, which shall be fully observed by both Parties during the Armistice, are hereby affirmed:

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Eugene Rostow, Legal scholar, Former Dean of the Yale Law School, Under Secretary of State in the Johnson administration, US State Dept Legal Advisor, Drafter of UN Res. 242 pertaining to Israeli land in the West Bank...

The British Mandate recognized the right of the Jewish people to "close settlement" in the whole of the Mandated territory. The Jewish right of settlement in Palestine west of the Jordan river, that is, in Israel, the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, was made unassailable. That right has never been terminated and cannot be terminated except by a recognized peace between Israel and its neighbors. And perhaps not even then, in view of Article 80 of the U.N. Charter, "the Palestine article," which provides that "nothing in the Charter shall be construed ... to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments....

The mandate implicitly denies Arab claims to national political rights in the area in favor of the Jews; the mandated territory was in effect reserved to the Jewish people for their self-determination and political development, in acknowledgment of the historic connection of the Jewish people to the land. Lord Curzon, who was then the British Foreign Minister, made this reading of the mandate explicit. There remains simply the theory that the Arab inhabitants of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have an inherent 'natural law' claim to the area. Neither customary international law nor the United Nations Charter acknowledges that every group of people claiming to be a nation has the right to a state of its own.

Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies

The Jewish Palestinian citizens can live anywhere in Palestine.

OK, what is your point?

 

[Marc39]

Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Article I

With a view to promoting the return to permanent peace [SIZE=""]in Palestine[/SIZE] and in recognition of the importance in this regard of mutual assurances concerning the future military operations of the Parties, the following principles, which shall be fully observed by both Parties during the Armistice, are hereby affirmed:

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Eugene Rostow, Legal scholar, Former Dean of the Yale Law School, Under Secretary of State in the Johnson administration, US State Dept Legal Advisor, Drafter of UN Res. 242 pertaining to Israeli land in the West Bank...

The mandate implicitly denies Arab claims to national political rights in the area in favor of the Jews; the mandated territory was in effect reserved to the Jewish people for their self-determination and political development, in acknowledgment of the historic connection of the Jewish people to the land. Lord Curzon, who was then the British Foreign Minister, made this reading of the mandate explicit. There remains simply the theory that the Arab inhabitants of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have an inherent 'natural law' claim to the area. Neither customary international law nor the United Nations Charter acknowledges that every group of people claiming to be a nation has the right to a state of its own.

Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies

The Jewish Palestinian citizens can live anywhere in Palestine.

OK, what is your point?

Historian Bernard Lewis...

For Arabs, the term Palestine was unacceptable...For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant but not abhorrent in the same way as it was to Jews. The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

The name Palestine had never been used by Jews, for whom the normal name of the country, from the time of the Exodus to the present day, was Eretz Israel.

The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Middle-East-Bernard-Lewis/dp/0684832801/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1293714758&sr=8-4]Amazon.com: The Middle East (9780684832807): Bernard Lewis: Books[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Article I

With a view to promoting the return to permanent peace in Palestine and in recognition of the importance in this regard of mutual assurances concerning the future military operations of the Parties, the following principles, which shall be fully observed by both Parties during the Armistice, are hereby affirmed:

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Actual text of the armistice agreement presented by Yale and you dispute it.

 

[Marc39]

Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Article I

With a view to promoting the return to permanent peace in Palestine and in recognition of the importance in this regard of mutual assurances concerning the future military operations of the Parties, the following principles, which shall be fully observed by both Parties during the Armistice, are hereby affirmed:

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Actual text of the armistice agreement presented by Yale and you dispute it.

Historian Bernard Lewis...

Official Roman usage of the name Palestine to designate the area of the former Jewish kingdom seems to date from after the Jewish risings and their suppression. The Emperor Hadrian made a determined attempt to stamp out the embers not only of the revolt but of Jewish nationhood and statehood.

It would seem that the name Judaea was abolished at the same time as Jerusalem and the country renamed Palestina or Syria-Palestina with the same intention to obliterate its historic Jewish identity.

With the British conquest in 1917-1918 and the subsequent of a mandated territory in the conquered areas, Palestine became the official name of a definite territory for the first time since the early Middle Ages

The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Middle-East-Bernard-Lewis/dp/0684832801/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1293714758&sr=8-4]Amazon.com: The Middle East (9780684832807): Bernard Lewis: Books[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ol' Bernie need to brush up on his history

 

[Marc39]

Ol' Bernie need to brush up on his history

Time Magazine...

No contemporary writer has done more to inform Western perceptions of Islam than Bernard Lewis. His seminal 1950 work, The Arabs in History, still holds up as one of the definitive accounts of the Arab world.

Q&A: Bernard Lewis on Islam's Crisis - TIME

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ol' Bernie need to brush up on his history

Time Magazine...

No contemporary writer has done more to inform Western perceptions of Islam than Bernard Lewis. His seminal 1950 work, The Arabs in History, still holds up as one of the definitive accounts of the Arab world.

Q&A: Bernard Lewis on Islam's Crisis - TIME

So why did Bernie say that Palestine was abolished in 1948 when the UN sponsored armistice agreement of 1949 say it still exists?

 

[Marc39]

Ol' Bernie need to brush up on his history

Time Magazine...

No contemporary writer has done more to inform Western perceptions of Islam than Bernard Lewis. His seminal 1950 work, The Arabs in History, still holds up as one of the definitive accounts of the Arab world.

Q&A: Bernard Lewis on Islam's Crisis - TIME

So why did Bernie say that Palestine was abolished in 1948 when the UN sponsored armistice agreement of 1949 say it still exists?

So, why doesn't Palestine exist in the UN's own map?
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


Because, Palestine ceased to exist in 1948 with Israeli statehood.

Now, even you know.

 

[georgephillip]

"The designations employed and the presentation of material on this map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries."

Your link

 

[P F Tinmore]

Time Magazine...

Q&A: Bernard Lewis on Islam's Crisis - TIME

So why did Bernie say that Palestine was abolished in 1948 when the UN sponsored armistice agreement of 1949 say it still exists?

So, why doesn't Palestine exist in the UN's own map?
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


Because, Palestine ceased to exist in 1948 with Israeli statehood.

Now, even you know.

From your link:
The designations employed and the presentation of material on this
map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the
part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal
status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or
concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.

 

[georgephillip]

How many Arab children have you personally killed for money?

How many have your children killed for money?

What do you call those who kill children for money?

I call them slaves to their books.

 

[georgephillip]

I wish for war to be taxed into extinction.

If that destroys the current incarnations of the Jewish State of Israel and the USA, it's a small price to pay.

"shall we put an end to the human race; or shall mankind renounce war?"

What do you say?

 

[Ropey]

You wish Israel dead George.

Yet, there it is. Sucks to be you it would seem. You look to the future and wish. I look at the present and work towards the future.

We will see when we both get there.

Speaking only for myself, I think my obsession with Israel and Jews...

Obsession is an illness George​

 

[georgephillip]

I'm not killing children because Moses told me it was right.

You and yours???

 

[docmauser1]

I'm not killing children because Moses told me it was right.

Of course! Just cheerleading muhammad's commands to go out and murder infidels and plunder their property.

 

[docmauser1]

"The designations employed and the presentation of material on this map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries."

Typical UN drivelspeak, of course. Even more so, since Bunky Moonface took charge of the drivel mill. So, what?

 

[georgephillip]

So get a life.

drivel.

 

[docmauser1]

So get a life.

That was a cooly midschool idiotic, of course.

drivel.

That was an honest signature to the initial post I'm replying to. Thanks.