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Nope. They need public funds in order to be in existence. Soup for EVERYONE!!
I co-own a business and the only public funds I've ever needed was gained by selling my products to the public.
Doesn't law enforcement protect your business? The fire department?
No the police doesn't protect my business but regardless, those services are paid for through MY taxes.
don't the police don't
Bullshit again. Unless your tax bill pays for the entire police force....you are employing the taxes of others. Gay people and black people and Muslim people. You need to serve them. It's how shit works.
That may be how shit works in your world, but not in mine.
Are these vendors officiating at the ceremony? Are they to bring a gift to the reception? Do these vendors give away the bride?He says DJs, photographers and caterers don't participate in weddings. They don't? That's news to me.
As it turns out, these vendors are merely plying their trade. There is no requirement for wedding vendors to approve of the weddings they serve. The vendors do not place a merchantile imperamator to the weddings they service.
Are you saying a business owner shouldn't be able to pick his clients?
Not if he's open to the public and not if the customer is compliant with the law or basic expectations of behavior.
I pick my and choose who I sell to. Have been doing so for over twenty years and haven't had a complaint yet.
Based on what criteria?
I co-own a business and the only public funds I've ever needed was gained by selling my products to the public.
Doesn't law enforcement protect your business? The fire department?
No the police doesn't protect my business but regardless, those services are paid for through MY taxes.
don't the police don't
Bullshit again. Unless your tax bill pays for the entire police force....you are employing the taxes of others. Gay people and black people and Muslim people. You need to serve them. It's how shit works.
That may be how shit works in your world, but not in mine.
Sorry, dummy. You and. I live in the same world. If you refuse to do business with someone who is gay....I'll bet you give them a reason that has nothing to do with the fact that they are gay. That's because you are a coward and don't want to face the music.
Go ahead.....tell me I'm wrong. Liar.
Are these vendors officiating at the ceremony? Are they to bring a gift to the reception? Do these vendors give away the bride?
As it turns out, these vendors are merely plying their trade. There is no requirement for wedding vendors to approve of the weddings they serve. The vendors do not place a merchantile imperamator to the weddings they service.
Are you saying a business owner shouldn't be able to pick his clients?
Not if he's open to the public and not if the customer is compliant with the law or basic expectations of behavior.
I pick my and choose who I sell to. Have been doing so for over twenty years and haven't had a complaint yet.
Based on what criteria?
Several actually. If a person comes in to buy twenty guns and he has cold hard cash, I won't sell. If a person comes in with saggy pants, I won't sell, if a person comes in and something seems to be a little off about him, I won't sell. It's basically a judgment call, based on actions, appearance, mannerisms and small talk concerning the purpose for the firearm.
You sell guns, Lonestar? Is that your business?
He looked Black ? thug is a racist dog whistle term.....for BlackWhat civil rights are being violated? If I refuse to sell you a firearm because you look like a thug, have I violated your right?
Apparently the right to bear arms isn't a right to bear arms according to this cracker.
You have every right to bear arms, but I'm not under any obligation to sell to you.
Doesn't law enforcement protect your business? The fire department?
No the police doesn't protect my business but regardless, those services are paid for through MY taxes.
don't the police don't
Bullshit again. Unless your tax bill pays for the entire police force....you are employing the taxes of others. Gay people and black people and Muslim people. You need to serve them. It's how shit works.
That may be how shit works in your world, but not in mine.
Sorry, dummy. You and. I live in the same world. If you refuse to do business with someone who is gay....I'll bet you give them a reason that has nothing to do with the fact that they are gay. That's because you are a coward and don't want to face the music.
Go ahead.....tell me I'm wrong. Liar.
I don't ask for sexual preferences when someone comes in to make a purchase. That's between them and God.
Never in any human experience has two wrongs equaled a right.In the case of wedding vendors; bakers, DJs, photographers, caterers and etc., they do not 'participate' in the wedding. They are not invited guests. They do not officiate durning the service. Their merchandise imperamator is not required to legitimize or confirm the actual marriage. Could you imagine your marriage hanging on the approval of the person who bakes your wedding cake?"No Gays Allowed" is too simple..
I realize this approach won't be popular, but let's take a moment to "think things through".
What are these people going to do, hang a "NO GAYS ALLOWED" sign on their window? Classy. That would make it easy for people to take a photo of it, and before you know it, everyone on the planet knows about it. Then it won't be just the gay population that doesn't go in there, it would be a large segment of the population, those of us who don't like such simple-minded bigotry. Any restaurant that tried that would see a significant drop in business, and no restaurant can afford that for long. Bye bye!
So you're an anti-gay bigot? Cool. Thanks for letting me know. Put up a big sign so that I'll know, and then I'll also know never to go in there and to tell a few friends about it.
Yeah, pass that law.
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If these bigoted merchants were intellectually honest their signs should read: "Due to our devotion to Jesus Christ who taught 'Love one another as you would be loved' and 'Judge not lest ye be judged', we refuse to serve American citizens who are homosexuals".
Or we could see it as it actually is. Everybody who comes into the store to buy products or a service the merchant has for sale is provided those products and/or service. That has never been an issue in any of these cases.
But if the merchant has for sale wedding cakes for Christian weddings, does it follow that the mechant HAS to also carry wedding cakes for NAMBLA or white supremacists or the Westboro Baptists or any other group engaged in activities or promoting docrine that the Christian cannot condone or support? Or create any other product for such groups that the store does not routinely have for sale? Most especially if the Christian is forced to go to the customer's premises and be seen and participate in an activity the Christian finds offensive or cannot condone? Must a Christian accept everybody and everything in order to practice his/her Christian faith?
Things are never as simple as we sometimes would want them to be.
They are, in fact, merchants who operate public businesses, that is to say businesses open to the public.
Any refusal to provide their normal services is tantamount to discrimination.
What is to stop such merchants from expanding such discrimination to inter racial couples? As it is legal for inter racial couples to wed, and as it is not a crime to merely be an inter racial couple, discriminating against them is patently illegal and morally wrong.
It is not illegal to merely be a homosexual. A majority of states recognize marriage equality. Why should homosexuals suffer under the bigoted discrimination of merchants who clearly have not thoroughly read their Bibles?
Nosmo, I didn't say a word about gays in the post you are responding to here. And you flat out ignored the examples I gave. I want you to focus on those examples and tell me that people should be required to provide services to such people no matter how wrong, evil, or unacceptable they may be.
When you are forced to provide services off premises, you have to go to your customer's premises. Your delivery van is outside for all the world to see and conclude you are giving consent and approval to the activity sometimes much to the glee and delight of people who would gladly use that to smear you. You think the Westboro Baptists would be adverse to photographing a van that belong to gay bakers or florists that was sitting in their parking lot and having a ball with that photograph?
And the fact that the people are there on the premises of that which most offends them is absolutely giving consent that the activity is okay.
The gay baker should not have to provide services for a group like the Westboro Baptists.
And the Christian should not have to provide services for a gay wedding if they cannot condone that as a matter of faith.
It is not a matter of discrimination. It is a matter of liberty and the right to not participate in that which offends us.
Are you saying a business owner shouldn't be able to pick his clients?
Not if he's open to the public and not if the customer is compliant with the law or basic expectations of behavior.
I pick my and choose who I sell to. Have been doing so for over twenty years and haven't had a complaint yet.
Based on what criteria?
Several actually. If a person comes in to buy twenty guns and he has cold hard cash, I won't sell. If a person comes in with saggy pants, I won't sell, if a person comes in and something seems to be a little off about him, I won't sell. It's basically a judgment call, based on actions, appearance, mannerisms and small talk concerning the purpose for the firearm.
That's different, dummy. Are you going to act stupid now? You know that's not what we are talking about.
Try honesty. Otherwise....why bother?
No the police doesn't protect my business but regardless, those services are paid for through MY taxes.
don't the police don't
Bullshit again. Unless your tax bill pays for the entire police force....you are employing the taxes of others. Gay people and black people and Muslim people. You need to serve them. It's how shit works.
That may be how shit works in your world, but not in mine.
Sorry, dummy. You and. I live in the same world. If you refuse to do business with someone who is gay....I'll bet you give them a reason that has nothing to do with the fact that they are gay. That's because you are a coward and don't want to face the music.
Go ahead.....tell me I'm wrong. Liar.
I don't ask for sexual preferences when someone comes in to make a purchase. That's between them and God.
Still acting stupid? Elton John comes in and wants to buy three dozen AR-15's for his anniversary party. Cash above market value. You going to sell to him?
Yet the persecution of the religious majority is a staple of the religion of radical liberalism and radical atheist, but that's ok because it's your side doing it, right?
In order to fulfill your beliefs we would have to bring back the right of businesses to refuse to serve anyone they didn't like.
Actually I have no problem with that, if they refuse too many they won't be in business will they? But the owner would determine his own fate, not the state.
Whites only businesses didn't go broke in the South did they?
Remind me, what century was that in again?
The 20th idiot. You either believe businesses should be able to be whites only or you don't.
Which is it ? Youi do or don't?
You sell guns, Lonestar? Is that your business?
Yes I co-own a gun store.
I think you should buy the cake and flowers and tell the proprietor that is none of your damn business what I need the cake for besides eating. Because it is not any of their business, their job ends when you purchase the cake or flowers.I
I really do not understand how selling items to people affects someone's christians beliefs, yet they will sell flowers, cakes to someone on his 2,3,4 marraige. Which according to their own scripture is an abomination and adulterous using their own scriptureCome on Republicans
I know you love to pander to your gay hating base. But are you ever going to learn?
Indiana Governor Mike Pence is ready to sign into law a bill allowing businesses to refuse service to gays for "religious reasons" . All this ten days before the NCAA Final Four comes to Indianapolis. So what was once an opportunity to show the country what a great location his state is for major events, now becomes a poster child for "We hate gays".
See how many Final Fours come back to Indianapolis. Superbowl? Forget it Mike
But at least you got to score points with your gay hating base
Republicans just can't help themselves.
Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com
don't the police don't
Bullshit again. Unless your tax bill pays for the entire police force....you are employing the taxes of others. Gay people and black people and Muslim people. You need to serve them. It's how shit works.
That may be how shit works in your world, but not in mine.
Sorry, dummy. You and. I live in the same world. If you refuse to do business with someone who is gay....I'll bet you give them a reason that has nothing to do with the fact that they are gay. That's because you are a coward and don't want to face the music.
Go ahead.....tell me I'm wrong. Liar.
I don't ask for sexual preferences when someone comes in to make a purchase. That's between them and God.
Still acting stupid? Elton John comes in and wants to buy three dozen AR-15's for his anniversary party. Cash above market value. You going to sell to him?
I wouldn't sell anyone that many guns at one time.
You sell guns, Lonestar? Is that your business?
Yes I co-own a gun store.
How about that. Have you ever sold a gun to a person that you knew was gay?
If you're a licensed gun dealer, please, by all means prove to us that you have the legal right to refuse to sell a gun to an otherwise qualified black person.
So no fag haters that are democrats? Would you have a link to some statistics that back up your apparent claim that democrat fag haters were just kidding and/or being pragmatic, but now their true love of fags is coming out... where the republicans are mostly still fag haters that are hoping the issue disappears? Or is this just some bullshit you are pulling out of your ass?Nice projection there. So when the democrats changed their mind and began voting for gay marriage it was only because they were loosing votes and credibility? Or did the democrats vote against gay marriage in the past because otherwise they would loose votes and credibility?I honestly believe most Republicans have seen the light on gay rights
We're not speaking of Republicans, we're speaking of Americans; which is to say those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that define America... OKA: Natural Principles.
Admit it....you have lost
Gay Marriage will be the law of the land by June
An no, Americans do not support you
Most Republicans have given up on the issue and just wish it would go away. It makes them lose votes and credibility with younger voters
I think most democrats looked at things like DADT and civil unions as a middle ground where the homosexual issue would settle and go away
It did not work out that way and thankfully so
Republicans realize this is a losing issue for them in 2016 and would like it to just go away. The Supreme Court deciding for them keeps them from having to state a position either way
But there is the radical Fag Haters who just can't drop it
Not if he's open to the public and not if the customer is compliant with the law or basic expectations of behavior.
I pick my and choose who I sell to. Have been doing so for over twenty years and haven't had a complaint yet.
Based on what criteria?
Several actually. If a person comes in to buy twenty guns and he has cold hard cash, I won't sell. If a person comes in with saggy pants, I won't sell, if a person comes in and something seems to be a little off about him, I won't sell. It's basically a judgment call, based on actions, appearance, mannerisms and small talk concerning the purpose for the firearm.
That's different, dummy. Are you going to act stupid now? You know that's not what we are talking about.
Try honesty. Otherwise....why bother?
I've been honest this whole time. I'm saying a private business should be able to pick and choose there client base using whatever criteria that suits them. After all this is supposed to be a free country. A person should be free to refuse service and you are free to find another vendor.
