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I think it's time you rejoined the other trolls rw, pballs and dc on ignore.
And you remain on ridicule
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I think it's time you rejoined the other trolls rw, pballs and dc on ignore.
You are using guilt by association without any substance for your allegations. Until you can establish that actual federal funds are used by PP to provide abortions there is nothing to discuss. The audited statements of a legal non profit entity clearly show that there is more than sufficient private funding to cover multiple times the number of abortions involved.
I did show it. Gulf Coast states PP had to pay millions back to the federal government, and shut the doors of multiple clinics, because they were caught misappropriating federal funds and falsifying medical records to make it look as though the money was being used for services THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE. Why are you pretending this didn't happen? You haven't even acknowledged it..you keep saying "prove it ever happened". I did prove it. It happened. So where does that leave you?
PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!
Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters
Planned Parenthood said the allegations are without merit and the group was settling "as a practical matter."
"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.
"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."
Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.
It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.
Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.
Being obsessed with the libido of women who use birth control is getting into their bedroom
Um...no it's not...
Not to mention you're still addressing your own strawman and not what he actually said.
Huckabee posed a strawman........I am just holding him to it
Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.
It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.
Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.
If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.
The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.
The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.
Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.
You are using guilt by association without any substance for your allegations. Until you can establish that actual federal funds are used by PP to provide abortions there is nothing to discuss. The audited statements of a legal non profit entity clearly show that there is more than sufficient private funding to cover multiple times the number of abortions involved.
I did show it. Gulf Coast states PP had to pay millions back to the federal government, and shut the doors of multiple clinics, because they were caught misappropriating federal funds and falsifying medical records to make it look as though the money was being used for services THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE. Why are you pretending this didn't happen? You haven't even acknowledged it..you keep saying "prove it ever happened". I did prove it. It happened. So where does that leave you?
PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!
Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters
Planned Parenthood said the allegations are without merit and the group was settling "as a practical matter."
"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.
"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."
Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.
It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.
Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.
If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.
The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.
The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.
Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.
And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.
Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.
If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.
The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.
The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.
Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.
There are two differences between us. First, I'm not an angry little fem who lashes out with negative rep because I don't have the balls to express myself in words. Second, I do believe in the Constitution, which gives the government the right to tax for the general welfare only. That means that everyone benefits, like the police, the military, national parks. There is no Constitutional authority for the Feds to tax to take from one person and give to another. That is unethical, immoral and unconstitutional. It is the latter use of taxes I'm referring to.
Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.
It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.
Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.
If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.
The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.
The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.
Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.
And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.
Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.
If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.
The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.
The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.
Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.
There are two differences between us. First, I'm not an angry little fem who lashes out with negative rep because I don't have the balls to express myself in words. Second, I do believe in the Constitution, which gives the government the right to tax for the general welfare only. That means that everyone benefits, like the police, the military, national parks. There is no Constitutional authority for the Feds to tax to take from one person and give to another. That is unethical, immoral and unconstitutional. It is the latter use of taxes I'm referring to.
I did show it. Gulf Coast states PP had to pay millions back to the federal government, and shut the doors of multiple clinics, because they were caught misappropriating federal funds and falsifying medical records to make it look as though the money was being used for services THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE. Why are you pretending this didn't happen? You haven't even acknowledged it..you keep saying "prove it ever happened". I did prove it. It happened. So where does that leave you?
PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!
Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters
Planned Parenthood said the allegations are without merit and the group was settling "as a practical matter."
"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.
"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."
So you're simply going to sit there and take their word for it? Settling "as a practical matter" is cover for "Oh, I fucked up, here's some hush money."
Any idiiot who talks about legitimate taxation in the public interest as 'confiscation' in the American context is a doofus on the issue, period.
Elect your candidates, then, folks, but don't let folks like Rush and Huckabee talk on your behalf.
The solid majority of women will kicked it up your political butts.
PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!
Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters
So you're simply going to sit there and take their word for it? Settling "as a practical matter" is cover for "Oh, I fucked up, here's some hush money."
Produce some hard evidence that will stand up in court and then you have something. A bunch of partisan allegations by hack politicians on the make doesn't constitute hard evidence.
All politicians lie! That includes the ones who are telling you that PP is committing fraud. If there was even any semblance of substance to those allegations those political hacks would have ridden it into the ground in the desire to take down PP because then they would be heroes and would win in a landslide with the support of people like yourself.
But instead they allowed PP to settle with no admission of doing anything wrong. That means they had squat and they knew it going in. In this nation you can sue anybody over anything. You don't need any actual evidence of any wrongdoing to file a lawsuit. You can simply file a lawsuit with a load of allegations and then the lawyers start making money hand over fist.
It would have cost PP far more to fight that nuisance lawsuit than it took to settle. Happens all the time in this nation and there are unscrupulous lawyers who do it just to make a living. So if you are a proponent of Tort Reform the 1st place to start is to change the law so that the loser pays 100% of the legal costs. That will reduce these kinds of frivolous lawsuits by 90%.
And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.
Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.
If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.
The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.
The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.
Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.
Agreed: Furthermore--birth control pills are a prescription only drug. Insurers are and have been mandated for decades now to pay for them. As is the same for Viagra and all of the male enhancement prescription drugs that are advertised on television.
Now if men want to stop having sex with women--then we probably could get away from the birth control pill topic. But I don't see that happening anytime soon---![]()
Investigators determined that Planned Parenthood "falsified material information in patients' medical records" in order to support fraudulent reimbursement claims, Abbott said. ...
"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.
"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."
Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider operating 13 clinics in Texas which perform abortions...