Would Another Assault Weapons Ban Be Effective?

Nope.

 
Placing that aside, I'm just gonna repeat what I said in another anti-liberty thread around here...


''Here, several highly trained men with guns were sent by the government and emptied their magazines into a homeless veteran.

If these highly trained men require this much hardware to extinguish what they observed as a threat to their safety by a single individual, then why would government not want our families to have that same opportunity to defend themselves against what they foresee as a threat? Why would government go out of its way to expend so much energy in depriving the electorate of this same opportunity? Hm? Why? Tell me.''





Perhaps the answer to that question lies in what was observed there in that clip.
 
Ninth circuit? lol
Also, there has been more decisions since then that could change things.
Also, if taken to the SC, it would probably be shot down.
Vanchoff v. James would have been the case to watch, but FPC dropped it without explanation.

In his Heller opinion, Scalia said the Second Amendment, "like most rights", is not unlimited.

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.


What the Supremes would have to determine with an AWB is if an AR-15, for example, is a dangerous and unusual weapon.

Like a hand grenade.

Or a machine gun.

Or a tank.

Or a nuke.
 
You should have just said I don't want my narrative to be disrupted by the facts because I think facts are stupid and may disrupt my narrative, so don't insert facts into my narrative.

That would have been the intellectually honest thing to say.
It would be a waste of time.
 
Did the court overrule the last AWB?

Nope!

Except that the 1994 AWB just made makers add thumbhole stocks and take off muzzle brakes.
It did not really ban any firearms except a few not made in the US, like FN FALs.
So we still do not know what the courts would do with a real weapons ban?
Logically there really is no legal basis for any weapons ban at all, but the courts obviously are political instead of being just judicial as they should be.

The reason the courts may rule against an AWB is that there are over 30 million assault weapons owned by US citizens, and it would be illegal to try to take them from them. It would violate the principle of ex post facto.

To get around violating ex post facto laws, what countries like Australia did was first try a "buy back", but when that failed, they just ignored it. Australia now has more rifles in violation of their AWB then they had before it. Only about 10% of banned rifles were bought back or turned in. But no one is being prosecuted either.
 
Let's not get dragged down into a stupid argument of what an "assault weapon" is.
Bullshit. Let’s. The very thing you try to eliminate from the discussion is the crucial part of the discussion.
An assault weapon is whatever Congress decides it is,
We can stop right here. For, if that idiotic mindless self-serving contention were true (which of course it simply isn’t), then Congress could call a cap gun an “assault weapon” and seek to regulate it or ban it.

Your premise is insanely stupid and a non-starter on that basis.

Plus, of course, the entire argument overlooks the 2d Amendment.

Your eventual conclusion (after a lengthy discourse which doesn’t seem connected to the thread topic very closely) is fine. But the question isn’t really whether an “assault weapon ban” has any meaningful impact on gun violence. The real question is whether or not such a proposed legislative “ban” is Constitutionally permissible in the first place.
 
Vanchoff v. James would have been the case to watch, but FPC dropped it without explanation.

In his Heller opinion, Scalia said the Second Amendment, "like most rights", is not unlimited.

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.


What the Supremes would have to determine with an AWB is if an AR-15, for example, is a dangerous and unusual weapon.

Like a hand grenade.
Or a machine gun.
Or a tank.
Or a nuke.

Most of the cannon used in the American Revolution were privately owned.
It is not illegal to own a grenade, machine gun, tank, or even a nuke.
All these things are made by private companies that the government then purchases them from, so they can NEVER be "illegal" for civilians to own and make.
All you can legally do is register them so that there are some safety standards maintained.
 
Since the biggest threat to any individual is actually corrupt government, if we want to make the world a safer place and restrict weapons, what we should do is enforce a ban on the government having any weapons at all.
Only individuals should have any weapons, not governments.
 
Let's not get dragged down into a stupid argument of what an "assault weapon" is. An assault weapon is whatever Congress decides it is, and to argue about how stupid it is they include one kind of gun and not another is a waste of time.

In 1994, Congress passed an AWB: Text of H.R. 4296 (103rd): Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us

The AWB also banned large capacity magazines, though existing large capacity magazines were grandfathered. You could still buy and sell grandfathered magazines.

It is my opinion that the AWB had a negligible impact on the gun homicide rate in America.

The 1994 AWB expired in 2004.

I imagine any future AWB will have a longer list of "assault weapons", and will police large capacity magazines more thoroughly.

Now let's get down to the meat and potatoes of why this is an exercise in futility.

First and foremost, 99 percent of all gun homicides do not involve an assault weapon.

Assault weapon shootings make splashy headlines. Lots of blood and sadness.

The press tries to connect every mass shooting to assault weapons. Every time there is a mass shooting involving an assault weapon, the following days are filled with headlines screaming about how many mass shootings per week we are suffering, with the unspoken but deliberate implication these mass shootings all involve assault weapons.

The fact is, the vast majority of mass shootings do NOT involve an assault weapons ban.


Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 151 different handguns being used in 103 incidents between 1982 and November 2022. These figures are calculated from a total of 137 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 75 percent of mass shootings.


Here is the definition of a mass shooting: Mass shooting | Definition, Statistics, Weapons, & Locations

mass shooting, also called active shooter incident, as defined by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), an event in which one or more individuals are “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of a firearm.” The FBI has not set a minimum number of casualties to qualify an event as a mass shooting, but U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”


It is my opinion an Assault Weapons Ban is theater for the rubes which has little to no effect on the gun violence problem in the United States.

Fire away!
An assault weapon is whatever Congress decides it is,

No
 
It is not illegal to own a grenade, machine gun, tank, or even a nuke.
Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act ("NFA"), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess "destructive devices," which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There's no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law's provisions—non-military people may not possess them.
 
Nobody on the left talks about it but the argument centers on confiscation. Forced confiscation of firearms from law abiding citizens (ironically) at the point of a gun is the ultimate goal. If democrats can figure out how to do it and not violate a couple of Amendments in the Bill of Rights you might be on a train headed for a concentration camp sometime in the near future.
 
Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act ("NFA"), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess "destructive devices," which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There's no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law's provisions—non-military people may not possess them.

There are plenty of exceptions to that. You can go to a range here in Texas and drive a tank, shoot the main gun, throw live grenades, fire machine guns, including a mini-gun, and launch mortars and other artillery.

 
Nobody on the left talks about it but the argument centers on confiscation. Forced confiscation of firearms from law abiding citizens (ironically) at the point of a gun is the ultimate goal. If democrats can figure out how to do it and not violate a couple of Amendments in the Bill of Rights you might be on a train headed for a concentration camp sometime in the near future.
I was just talking about this with a contractor from the UK. The subject of the mandatory confiscation in Australia came up. I told him that could not happen here because of our Second Amendment.

I also asked him if he had heard of all the Molon Labe people we have running around. :lol:
 
Let's not get dragged down into a stupid argument of what an "assault weapon" is. An assault weapon is whatever Congress decides it is, and to argue about how stupid it is they include one kind of gun and not another is a waste of time.

In 1994, Congress passed an AWB: Text of H.R. 4296 (103rd): Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us

The AWB also banned large capacity magazines, though existing large capacity magazines were grandfathered. You could still buy and sell grandfathered magazines.

It is my opinion that the AWB had a negligible impact on the gun homicide rate in America.

The 1994 AWB expired in 2004.

I imagine any future AWB will have a longer list of "assault weapons", and will police large capacity magazines more thoroughly.

Now let's get down to the meat and potatoes of why this is an exercise in futility.

First and foremost, 99 percent of all gun homicides do not involve an assault weapon.

Assault weapon shootings make splashy headlines. Lots of blood and sadness.

The press tries to connect every mass shooting to assault weapons. Every time there is a mass shooting involving an assault weapon, the following days are filled with headlines screaming about how many mass shootings per week we are suffering, with the unspoken but deliberate implication these mass shootings all involve assault weapons.

The fact is, the vast majority of mass shootings do NOT involve an assault weapons ban.


Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 151 different handguns being used in 103 incidents between 1982 and November 2022. These figures are calculated from a total of 137 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 75 percent of mass shootings.


Here is the definition of a mass shooting: Mass shooting | Definition, Statistics, Weapons, & Locations

mass shooting, also called active shooter incident, as defined by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), an event in which one or more individuals are “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of a firearm.” The FBI has not set a minimum number of casualties to qualify an event as a mass shooting, but U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”


It is my opinion an Assault Weapons Ban is theater for the rubes which has little to no effect on the gun violence problem in the United States.

Fire away!
After watching this regime give billions of dollars in weapons, and equipment to third world extremists, sans background checks; and trading a notorious gun runner for a drug smuggler... The government can shove every single gun law it has ever written, or ever will directly up its fucking ass.
 
After watching this regime give billions of dollars in weapons, and equipment to third world extremists, sans background checks; and trading a notorious gun runner for a drug smuggler... The government can shove every single gun law it has ever written, or ever will directly up its fucking ass.

Amen. After releasing one of the world's most notorious arms dealers to the Russians, I don't ever need to hear another DemoKKKrat mention "gun control" ever again. They just forfeited that battle forever.
 
Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act ("NFA"), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess "destructive devices," which includes grenades. (26 U.S.C. § 5801.) There's no doubt that a live hand grenade designed for military combat fits within the law's provisions—non-military people may not possess them.

Wrong.
The NFA did NOT at all make ANYTHING illegal to possess.
All it did is require proper licensing and registration.
Almost anyone can own almost anything.
And obviously hand grenades can and are owned by non-military people because they are produced by private companies.
And to prove it, lots of private citizens buy, own, and use commercial, low shrapnel, grenades in order to do things like reduce avalanche dangers at ski resorts.
Ski resorts also can and do buy, own, and use explosive rockets, cannon, etc.
 
I was just talking about this with a contractor from the UK. The subject of the mandatory confiscation in Australia came up. I told him that could not happen here because of our Second Amendment.

I also asked him if he had heard of all the Molon Labe people we have running around. :lol:

Look at the numbers.
Australia did not give up its assault weapons at all.
They all just pretended they disappeared.
 
Amen. After releasing one of the world's most notorious arms dealers to the Russians, I don't ever need to hear another DemoKKKrat mention "gun control" ever again. They just forfeited that battle forever.

I don't mind who the Russians give weapons to.
It is the CIA that should be imprisoned since it is they who armed the Taliban, ISIS, etc.
 

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