Would Declaring A State Of Emergency 'Set A Bad Precedent'?

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Would Declaring A State Of Emergency 'Set A Bad Precedent'?​

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...precedent.html
By Carol Brown ~~ Republicans, from Mark Meadows to RINO types, are building a case against Trump's threat to declare a national emergency as a means of funding more walls at the southern border. They claim that if Trump does this, it will "set a bad precedent" (here, here, here, here, and here). Really?
A precedent is a change in how things are done and lays the groundwork for more of the same to follow. It can be used as a point of reference for similar actions in the future. To say it would set a bad precedent if Trump declared a national emergency is ridiculous in light of the fact that fifty-eight national emergencies have been declared since 1976, when the National Emergencies Act was signed into law. Thirty-one of these declared emergencies remain in effect.
The other argument you sometimes hear is that if Trump used his executive authority to declare a national emergency, then the Democrats may use this same tool in the future.
Um. Excuse me. But I'm sure the Democrats are aware of this tool and won't hesitate to use it when they win the White House one day, irrespective of whether Trump uses it for the wall or not (although they would claim he set the precedent). In case you haven't noticed, Democrats use every tool at their disposal to advance their agenda.



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Hmm..., " Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land". Who said that? Well, it wasn't a Republican that said those words.
It appears that the more they fight it, the more Progressive Marxist Socialist Democrats and friends the RINOs prove themselves to be lawless supporters of criminals who want America to be overrun and destroyed. How many Americans really support that view? Some, but not most.
The Constitution does not give Congress or Courts rights to interfere into President's actions to secure US border. The president does not need 'State of Emergency' to build the 'Wall' on the border.
According to the article, there are approximately States of Emergency declared by George W. Bush '43' declared 13 and Barack Obama 12, most of which are still in effect, according to CNN. Trump's States of Emergency So far, the president has declared three national emergencies under the National Emergencies Act, according to the Brennan Center.
IMO, there are at least 2 sources outside of the US budget. Money the US government has confiscated from criminals are not in a budget and can be used to secure US.
Then the US Government can impose fees and fines for certain business activity, which are not in a budget and can be used to secure US. Additionally, Congress has allocated hundreds of billions of dollars to various national security related departments and I am sure that Pentagon can survive if some of the troops training would be done not deep inside US territory, but on a construction of the Wall.

 

[Asclepias]

Drumpf has set so many bad precedents no one blinks anymore at anything he does. Its expected. i doubt that any POTUS after him will do the same dumb shit.

 

[Rambunctious]

Learn what CNN refuses to tell you....

 

[shockedcanadian]

This is a National Emergency, there's no question.

You are being bombarded by thousands a day, criminals just planning to make money in the USA and the Mexican government unwilling or unable to stop it.

Build the wall, protect your sovereignty and citizens safety.

 

[kyzr]

I'm thinking that as long as the "national emergency" has some basis in fact that it might not be a bad idea. The way congress has been lately nothing can ever get passed, because some faction would oppose it. The GOP House couldn't agree on immigration reform, as an example. Obama issued EOs all the time because Congress opposed his ideas. Then the courts made the call on legality. So whether the president issues EOs or emergencies, its doing something.

 

[The Original Tree]

You don't need Congress to build anything of Strategic Importance to The United States of America
The Debate Over Executive Orders Began With Teddy Roosevelt's Mad Passion for Conservation | History | Smithsonian

President Roosevelt Decides to Build the Panama Canal

 

[Claudette]

This is a National Emergency, there's no question.

You are being bombarded by thousands a day, criminals just planning to make money in the USA and the Mexican government unwilling or unable to stop it.

Build the wall, protect your sovereignty and citizens safety.

Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades.

We have over 11 million illegals in this country right now. They are costing we the tax payer billions every year.

They have killed American citizens and need to be booted the hell out of the US.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Drumpf has set so many bad precedents no one blinks anymore at anything he does. Its expected. i doubt that any POTUS after him will do the same dumb shit.

So, he should declare an emergency?

 

[g5000]

As I said in another topic:

When Congress says "No" to a President, that is not a national emergency. It's called "checks and balances". Especially when it is both parties saying no, as in this case.

Individual 1 is trying to use the Constitution as toilet paper just to save face.

Pathetic.

 

[Asclepias]

Drumpf has set so many bad precedents no one blinks anymore at anything he does. Its expected. i doubt that any POTUS after him will do the same dumb shit.

So, he should declare an emergency?

I dont think he should but I honestly dont care. He is either going to do it or not. It will end up in court where he will lose again. If it was such an emergency why wasnt that his first priority when he was elected?

 

[Fang]

Is that precedent worse than the precedent of opposing a President not because you disagree with him, but because you're afraid he'll fulfill and campaign promise and gain a political victory?

 

[Asclepias]

This is a National Emergency, there's no question.

You are being bombarded by thousands a day, criminals just planning to make money in the USA and the Mexican government unwilling or unable to stop it.

Build the wall, protect your sovereignty and citizens safety.

Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades.

We have over 11 million illegals in this country right now. They are costing we the tax payer billions every year.

They have killed American citizens and need to be booted the hell out of the US.

"Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades."

If it was such an emergency why is Drumpf just now addressing it after 2 years?

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes using the National Emergencies Act because you cannot legislate your agenda in Congress would set a bad precedent.

But I'm sure our adversaries would love the turmoil such a move would create here.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The real national emergency is the magnet which draws them here, And that's the welfare state the government is running.

Untll that is addressed anything else is nothing more than spit shining a turd.

But they won't address the real emergency. And that's because they're all in on it in Washington.

The only thing Americans will get from this so-called immigration emergency is a national id. And it will be a bipartisan effort. Then freedom as we know it will be dead. The intelligence agencies and the feds will have access to and control over every aspect of your daily lives.

All you have to do is read past legislation. It's right there in black and white. And purposefully left open ended so the intelligence agencies can arbitrarily add any information they may later want added into the database. They specifically said they did it that way for that specific reason.

 

[Asclepias]

A national ID like a SSN?

 

[Claudette]

This is a National Emergency, there's no question.

You are being bombarded by thousands a day, criminals just planning to make money in the USA and the Mexican government unwilling or unable to stop it.

Build the wall, protect your sovereignty and citizens safety.

Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades.

We have over 11 million illegals in this country right now. They are costing we the tax payer billions every year.

They have killed American citizens and need to be booted the hell out of the US.

"Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades."

If it was such an emergency why is Drumpf just now addressing it after 2 years?

It should have been addressed by prior Presidents but wasn't. One of Trump's campaign promises was the wall and he's been "harping" on it for two years.

You might like spending billions on illegals and having our citizens killed by them but I sure as hell don't.

They arrested 1900 over the weekend and I am wondering how many made it across that no one saw.

 

[Natural Citizen]

A national ID like a SSN?

No, this is way diffrent, Asclepias. Seriously. Take the time to read past legislation about it.
I'd thought about starting a thread about it but you know how it is, its like romper room around here. A serious and relevant discussion is few and far between. May as well just turn the tv on and watch cable news entertainment, it's the same content. Same dumbed down narrative.

End of the day it's like this, man. If we don't stand together we'll sure as sht hang together.

 

[Asclepias]

This is a National Emergency, there's no question.

You are being bombarded by thousands a day, criminals just planning to make money in the USA and the Mexican government unwilling or unable to stop it.

Build the wall, protect your sovereignty and citizens safety.

Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades.

We have over 11 million illegals in this country right now. They are costing we the tax payer billions every year.

They have killed American citizens and need to be booted the hell out of the US.

"Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades."

If it was such an emergency why is Drumpf just now addressing it after 2 years?

It should have been addressed by prior Presidents but wasn't. One of Trump's campaign promises was the wall and he's been "harping" on it for two years.

You might like spending billions on illegals and having our citizens killed by them but I sure as hell don't.

They arrested 1900 over the weekend and I am wondering how many made it across that no one saw.

You never answered why Drumpf hasnt done anything for 2 years. Why did you deflect?

 

[K9Buck]

This is a National Emergency, there's no question.

You are being bombarded by thousands a day, criminals just planning to make money in the USA and the Mexican government unwilling or unable to stop it.

Build the wall, protect your sovereignty and citizens safety.

Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades.

We have over 11 million illegals in this country right now. They are costing we the tax payer billions every year.

They have killed American citizens and need to be booted the hell out of the US.

More like 22 million illegals.

 

[Claudette]

This is a National Emergency, there's no question.

You are being bombarded by thousands a day, criminals just planning to make money in the USA and the Mexican government unwilling or unable to stop it.

Build the wall, protect your sovereignty and citizens safety.

Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades.

We have over 11 million illegals in this country right now. They are costing we the tax payer billions every year.

They have killed American citizens and need to be booted the hell out of the US.

"Yup. In the case it is a national emergency and has been for decades."

If it was such an emergency why is Drumpf just now addressing it after 2 years?

It should have been addressed by prior Presidents but wasn't. One of Trump's campaign promises was the wall and he's been "harping" on it for two years.

You might like spending billions on illegals and having our citizens killed by them but I sure as hell don't.

They arrested 1900 over the weekend and I am wondering how many made it across that no one saw.

You never answered why Drumpf hasnt done anything for 2 years. Why did you deflect?

Deflect?? He's been trying to get the wall for two years which a way to do something about illegal immigration.

Where the hell have you been??